What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

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Fek said:
It certainly seems to be the most divisive topic this thread has seen to date, with the "Old World" or "Tartaria" in a solid second place. The topic of landing on the Moon, I would suggest, likely places third..and I only place it behind the "Old World" because I recall far more overall (and relatively speaking) respectful discussion going on the last couple times Moon shenanigans came up.

It's fascinating seeing where lines in the sand appear for even those who are otherwise open-minded compared to most of the public. Where the intellectual outrage kicks in, insults get dusted off and hurled around, etc.
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I'm open to the craziest of shit, I've posted most of it in this thread. However, I am defensive of this subject because it's the topic that single-handedly does the most damage to real conspiracy theories (real, as in those that existed before conspiracy theories become political slop ideas hopped on by nigger-worshipping normiecattle).

Also, the 'evidence' put forward by flat earthers is just factually incorrect. No-one in antiquity or history ever thought the Earth was flat. None. No one. The idea that 'hur dur we fly in a straight line because of a map' is retarded. Of course we fly in a straight line on a map, it's because a globe is a 3d object and a map is 2d.
The idea that "the other side of Antarctica" (Admiral Byrd) means there's an ice wall, is a misinterpretation of what is common parlance "I'm off to the other side of the field/town/country".

No evidence I've seen is evidence of a flat earth and is instead more evidence that something dodgy is going on in/around space.
 
Otterly said:
Ahhhh yeah I think I remember seeing something on this. The guys with boards tread the corn down but the circles don’t have that do they? It’s more like they’ve been superheated or ‘grown, but fast’ that way?
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The leaves spread, as if they've spread out to capture more sun, but super quick and flattened like that. Supposedly 3000 degrees Celcius in flash heating (It's in the Quora link as well).

I was trying to find a comparison between real and man-made (with planks of wood) crop circles to demonstrate the difference in complexity and quality, and I can't find any that aren't just AI generated images. Very strange.
 
Chicha Drinker said:
My logic for not getting the vaxx was as follows:
"Why would i put my health into the hands of a company that price gouges insulin, and gleefully profits from opioid addiction? Especially if the vaxx is new and untested and i would have no legal recourse due to immunity to prosecution?"

It was infuriating how fast the narrative went from "Big pharma bad" to "Big pharma is literally if Jesus owned a company."
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Late 2020, Biden, Kamala et all say they're not getting the trump vax because it's rushed and from trump or whatever. Many NPCs agree because trump bad. Vaccine skepticism is A-OK at this point and I got no push back from a few people I had conversations with at the time. Immediately after the election, the results come in and it's "95-99% safe and effective". Then you have the initial roll-out and you have things like nurses collapsing on TV and disappearing and early reports of some pretty bad side effects like heart attacks. Suddenly that same skepticism that I had just 2-3 months ago was now anti science. My position never changed, but the media reporting and progressive NPC signaling changed. In that moment, I knew there was no absolutely no hope for these people (2020 dashed by hope by 90%, this took the last 10%).
Meanwhile, you had the popular book Dopesick get turned into a TV show, the J&J lawsuits for the talc powder ongoing, the complete fabrication of Alzheimer's research was coming out. But yet this one thing can never be questioned, could never be put in doubt, and must be taken (and boosted forever).

Oh and just to repost my most recent post on the covid thread, you were labeled a Domestic Violent Extremest by the federal government if you had these views.
indomitable snowman said:
New documents published this week that show the Biden administration labeled the people against the coof mandates domestic violent extremists. These people are genuinely evil and I'm glad this coming to light. BLM was allowed to terrorize endless cities for months, but you get labeled and categorized as a violent extremist for speaking out against the mandates.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/...andate-opponents-domestic-violent-extremists/ | https://archive.ph/dUOhi

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Remember the initial marketing of the jab? "On and done". That was touted all over for about two weeks before it turned into 2 jabs, 100% safe and effective. Which became 80% safe and effective. Which became 2 jabs and a booster, 70% safe and effective. Which turned into "you can still get covid, but it won't be as bad".

Just like you, @indomitable snowman, I knew 90% of NPCs were no-hopers, but COVID, the messaging, the willingness to suck the boot of the state and play organs to alert the state to the non-believers, removed any hope for people. I went from "NPCs are so dumb, lulz they are silly" to "NPCs are dangerous and need gassing".

It's crazy to see how effective messaging and marketing can be on a population, in real time. We were two steps away (camps, then extermination) from being shoved into ovens.
 
The Ugly One said:
This mystery was solved 30 years ago. People just don't like believing in boring things.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rtkMrNrEMLM
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YMMV. People in the UK remember the crop circles well because it seemed to hit us more than anyone else. The idea that some fellas with planks of wood did it is the same belief as believing having a vax to protect from a cough, then getting said cough, is totally OK.
Pedophobe said:
So what's the whole Atlas holding up the Pillars of the Earth and the Sky being a dome to keep the Waters Above out and shit all about then? Just fiction?
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Just an art piece.

The ancients Greeks, namely Eratosthenes (I googled it) in 3rd century BC accurately calculated the circumference of the Earth. One could argue that the ancient sumerians didn't believe in the spherical Earth, as it was more a snow-globe shape. But, that's not a flat earth, it's a depiction of how they saw the Earth and, to be fair to them, they were the first known civilisation to write shit down. (3500 BC)
However, the idea that civilisations since believed in a flat earth is a bit dumb. If there was a conspiracy to silence past history and knowledge, and I strongly believe that there was, I can't be on board the idea that the suppression started 2500 years ago, when we discovered so much afterwards.

I do believe that there are anomalies on Earth, in orbit and in space, things we can't explain or we can and the knowledge is hidden. However, that the Earth is flat is not one of those and it's a pure distraction. It's disinformation to distract people and have them looking in the wrong direction or using the correct answers on the incorrect questions.

To be clear, I'm not saying don't believe in what you believe in, or that you should just listen to me, or anyone else. I'm just suggesting that whenever you come across an anomaly that is answered by the earth being flat, temporarily disregard that answer and keep seeking another explanation.
 
Bog-standard Poster said:
One could argue that the ancient sumerians didn't believe in the spherical Earth, as it was more a snow-globe shape. But, that's not a flat earth,
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The base part was the Earth, with the Underworld beneath it, and the globe part was the Sky though, so that's a lot closer to the Flat Earth model than it is to our current understanding.

The idea that "everybody thought the Earth was flat in the old days" is obviously bullshit but I think you're going to far if you try to claim "nobody anywhere ever thought the Earth was flat".
 
Pedophobe said:
The base part was the Earth, with the Underworld beneath it, and the globe part was the Sky though, so that's a lot closer to the Flat Earth model than it is to our current understanding.

The idea that "everybody thought the Earth was flat in the old days" is obviously bullshit but I think you're going to far if you try to claim "nobody anywhere ever thought the Earth was flat".
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We can agree to disagree because there's not enough evidence to say that a civilisation absolutely believed the Earth was flat because they believed they lived on a disc, rather than an interpretation of old text that suggested they lived in a snow globe.

Either way, if that civilisation, 5,000 years ago believed that the earth was flat, and I'm willing to concede that for the sake of not getting bogged down in the weeds of the B plot, that this information was suppressed 3500 years, while at the same time, advances in every subject known to man were allowed, only to suppress them again, to me, it doesn't track.
Hiding the history of dinosaurs, giants, continents on earth, free energy, technological advancements post 1850 and purposefully stagnating technology for the past 150 years I believe. The Earth being flat and it being hidden information? It doesn't track.
 
Only 5,000 years ago? When Plato was talking about Atlantis that was 9,000 years in his past. Göbeklitepe is 12,000 years old and now there have been older places discovered that are even older by a couple of thousand years. Or is your brand of conspiracy theory the one that the Bible is literal and the world is only 6,000 years old?
 
12345 said:
Only 5,000 years ago? When Plato was talking about Atlantis that was 9,000 years in his past. Göbeklitepe is 12,000 years old and now there have been older places discovered that are even older by a couple of thousand years. Or is your brand of conspiracy theory the one that the Bible is literal and the world is only 6,000 years old?
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5,000 years ago was the oldest recorded writing, or at least, the oldest we're allowed to read.

I do believe that Atlantis was in the pacific ocean and there's a hidden continent there. Gobeklitepe is older than 12,000 years old and we aren't the first civilisation cycle to have happened on Earth. I don't believe that the Earth is flat and there are far, far more important and world-changing truths out there than "we live on an disc, not a tennis ball". Ultimately, it changes little in comparison to other things that could be (are) been hidden.

The Pyramids and Sphinx weren't built by the Egyptians and they are 30,000 years old at least. Or, at least since the previous cycle of the stars.
 
Bog-standard Poster said:
However, the idea that civilisations since believed in a flat earth is a bit dumb.
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Believing in a flat earth is dumb if you access to the sea. It wasn't hard for the Greeks to figure out why they couldn't see Egypt. However, a few landlocked civilizations, like the Babylonians, believed in a flat earth, which makes sense when you realize there's not really anywhere you can see all the way to the end of things from on the ground in Iraq.
 
Regarding the crop circles discussion - I simply cannot recommend "The Why Files" episode on it enough to all interested in the topic. Easily one of the most readily and widely digestible takes on the matter.

And this most recent discussion is especially neat!
The Ugly One said:
Believing in a flat earth is dumb if you access to the sea.
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What, in particular, about the sea stands out to you in this instance? Circumventing Circumnavigating the map by water? The horizon?
Bog-standard Poster said:
I don't believe that the Earth is flat and there are far, far more important and world-changing truths out there than "we live on an disc, not a tennis ball". Ultimately, it changes little in comparison to other things that could be (are) been hidden.
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What would you place more stress upon unveiling? Or rather, what would you deem to be more world-changing?

I'm simply curious to learn more how you fine upstanding fellows see the world. I adore being granted the opportunity to be shown the world as someone else sees it. All perspective is good perspective. :)
 
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I believe this meme is 1000% accurate, not that theyre feds, just that their retardation is promoted specifically to poison the well
 
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Fek said:
What, in particular, about the sea stands out to you in this instance? Circumventing the map by water? The horizon?
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The horizon. You can watch ships drop off the edge as they sail away. From the ship's point of view, you can watch land rise above or fall below the horizon. Moreover, from a typical trireme, the horizon is about 3-4 miles away when standing on deck and 10 miles away when at the top of the crow's nest. The sailors leaving fropm Athens certainly know that Alexandria is not magically rising from the deep, nor did they fall off a huge water-cliff en route to it.

Using Pythagorean geometry, it is not hard at all to get an estimate of the size of the sphere you're standing on.
 
The Ugly One said:
Using Pythagorean geometry, it is not hard at all to get an estimate of the size of the sphere you're standing on.
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Somehow, I don't see the Venn circles of those with a grasp of Pythagorean geometry and those making assertions demonstrating an ignorance of it overlapping. You're kind to trust the latter group to do their diligence.

Chicha Drinker said:
I believe this meme is 1000% accurate, not that theyre feds, just that their retardation is promoted specifically to poison the well
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Let's get that accuracy closer to 100%:

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Fek said:
What would you place more stress upon unveiling? Or rather, what would you deem to be more world-changing?
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Giants, previous advanced civilisations, what happened with the dinosaurs, the real timeline of Earth, what's really in the pacific, the true date of the pyramids and the unveiling of the other pyramids in the world, why the secrecy around previous technologies/civilisations, and, for me, the most damaging truth of the world would be the full unsealing and declassification of MK Ultra, the British, Russian, Indian, Chinese and Japanese equivalents and how psychological manipulation is so easy and so powerful that the majority of people on the planet don't live in their own reality, rather one that has been crafted since their birth,.
 
Marc said:
Somehow, I don't see the Venn circles of those with a grasp of Pythagorean geometry and those making assertions demonstrating an ignorance of it overlapping. You're kind to trust the latter group to do their diligence.
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The civilization that invented the trireme also invented Pythagorean geometry, not sure what you're getting at.
 
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