I just finished the interview, it’s actually pretty insightful and convincing. I gotta give it to Dan, I’ve never listened to his podcast before but he’s pleasant to listen to and did a great job walking through the main points with her. Grifter or not, she sounds way more convincing than Pat and she actually gets his number on a few things about his personality. I like how they mention Pat warning Javier not to interview the other side, and I like how Jackie reiterates that she stopped engaging with Pat after she felt like he was dangerous. I’m interested to see what comes of her saying she’s working on something to do with bernell trammel- I’ve said it before but I unironically believe Pat did it.