Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[DavidS877]

important (but maybe retarded question, idk) question: are RO applications in utah automatically sealed? or is this something the cocksnot greer requested himself and is now biting him in the ass? it seems to me that if it was automatically sealed or if the applicant requested it to be sealed, they could still get access to it without a notarized letter. whole thing seems weird af.

edit: i say this because the RO denial was accessible. weird that the application itself has a chastity belt, unless i’m just missing something completely

The law restricts the request, not the order itself, if granted, or denial.

 

[HackerX]

The court transcript of the call is $34 and I'm not sharing it. But if anyone happens to buy it, you can help out with a fun scavenger hunt.

It's ambiguous because of the timezones, but as Nevada is in Pacific, and Utah is in Mountain, Nevada timestamps are 1 hour behind Utah. So, if your important hearing is at 1pm, that would be 12pm in Nevada. When a district in Nevada answers a records request and the timezones are 12pm, it would stand to reason that is 1pm in Utah.

So, here's the game: listen to the court recording and listen for noises or instances of Greer being distracted around the time these emails are being sent and received.

1219.mp4

Need link to where it can be purchased.Will buy ASAP!!! Halp

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Need link to where it can be purchased.Will buy ASAP!!! Halp

one of the filings was a request for it, but I assume if you email the clerk or check the website you could find the details

 

[Useful_Mistake]

one of the filings was a request for it, but I assume if you email the clerk or check the website you could find the details

You'll have to dox yourself. Reminder, @Potentially Criminal has said he will get the audio in our stead.

 

[DavidS877]

Need link to where it can be purchased.Will buy ASAP!!! Halp

https://www.utd.uscourts.gov/forms/ao-436-electronic-soundaudio-recording-order-form

The risk is that it may well be posted to the public court docket. If you are concerned then call the clerk before ordering and discuss it with them. This is why I suggested a friend of the forum whose name is already known might order it.

 

[Gorilla Milk]

Outside of EMS

Not a firefighter but I am an EMT and honestly from what I've heard is that they're trying to phase out the "grug smash" firefighters by replacing them with paramedics.

The court has apps that are used for this situation with divorced parents with children where its a court monitored app to allow communication for pick ups, absences, etc.

Ironically it doesn't stop low impulse control retards from using it to harass their ex - IIRC Ethan Ralph was doing just that and and leaking Faith's messages from it.
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Also please rate me late or dumb or whatever but can someone please explain to me why it's a federal crime to record a public court session? I know Ethan Ralph got hit with a warrant for it but I don't see how it's a big deal if it's supposed to be open to the public.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

How wild is it that he's still playing the tattered "I don't think I should have to pay" card?

what's wild is russ complaining that only Hardship would see the fruit of his labors.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

Bennet is not going to be sober enough to rule on this by Monday. What are the odds that Bennet demands Greer appear in front of him in person to show cause why he should not be held in civil contempt?

I'd love to see Greer hauled before the court so that he can explain, but I can already see how that would go.

Bennet: Mr. Greer, I ask you one more time if having to pay filing fees would cause undue financial hardship and leave you unable to afford rent, utilities, or other necessities. What I am asking is that if you had to pay the court fees would you go hungry?
Greer: But I did eat breakfast yesterday.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

God, that reply from Ruth telling the dumb freak that they can't, and won't, censor public information for him was like a refreshing rain. It has the tone and the smack down that's been long overdue in this case. Stupid little Shit Lips.

 

[jerkstore]

Yes, but I'm not gonna see if my idea bore any fruit until like mid next week.

that’s why i said “potentially.” thanks for being an absolute winner! if this doesn’t pan out, who cares? if it does pan out… LET’S FUCKING GOOOOO

 

[Ted's Cabin]

Also please rate me late or dumb or whatever but can someone please explain to me why it's a federal crime to record a public court session? I know Ethan Ralph got hit with a warrant for it but I don't see how it's a big deal if it's supposed to be open to the public.

I don't know why they make you enjoy prison for it, but judges understandably don't want their cases cut up and turned into sound bytes for legacy media and those ten millions policy bodycam channels.

 

[Sexy Potoo]

Greer seems to be having trouble finding whores to suck his penis. I think there is a solution out there for him.

Also please rate me late or dumb or whatever but can someone please explain to me why it's a federal crime to record a public court session? I know Ethan Ralph got hit with a warrant for it but I don't see how it's a big deal if it's supposed to be open to the public.

Media people in the courtroom can be a distraction. Which has actually gotten cases overturned because of it.

https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/cameras-in-the-courtroom/

Spoiler: Examples of overturned court cases

Supreme Court overturns convictions because of camera coverage
In the 1960s, Texas ignored Canon 35 and gave presiding judges in the state broad discretion in allowing cameras in the courtroom, eventually leading to a case in which the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a criminal conviction based on press coverage.

The landmark case, Estes v. Texas (1965), served for almost 20 years as the basis for denying the press access to bring cameras into the courtroom.

In that case, the trial judge had permitted television and photographic coverage of the pretrial and trial proceedings of financier Billie Sol Estes who was accused of massive swindling.

The Supreme Court overturned Estes’s conviction on the ground that the camera coverage so distracted trial participants as to deprive him of a fair trial.

The following year, in Sheppard v. Maxwell (1966), the Supreme Court ordered a retrial of Dr. Samuel H. Sheppard, whose trial for the murder of his wife was also marred by extensive media coverage.

The cameras can even be distracting to the jury, which is bad.

 

[AnOminous]

Not a firefighter but I am an EMT and honestly from what I've heard is that they're trying to phase out the "grug smash" firefighters by replacing them with paramedics.

So what happens to you then if you need grug smash or you burn to death and instead there's some paramedic just standing there?

Maybe they should just send out some social workers to talk to the fire and tell it burning people is bad.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I don't know why they make you enjoy prison for it, but judges understandably don't want their cases cut up and turned into sound bytes for legacy media and those ten millions policy bodycam channels.

Some cases are publicly recorded and available. But in general, the Judge wants to have control of the process, so they can tell the court reporter/recorder to strike some section from the record, etc.

This isn't just the courts btw, there are any number of things which are open to the public, and you can talk about what happened, but recording is frowned upon or illegal.

 

[AnOminous]

Also please rate me late or dumb or whatever but can someone please explain to me why it's a federal crime to record a public court session? I know Ethan Ralph got hit with a warrant for it but I don't see how it's a big deal if it's supposed to be open to the public.

It isn't unless it's a federal case. In Ethan Ralph's case, it was a Minnesota crime. The court sought to extradite him for spitting in the face of the court and mocking it for not being able to do anything to him. He sure calmed the fuck down quickly once the "get this fucker anywhere he is" warrant was issued.

Short answer, it's a venerable tradition. Also fuck Ethan Ralph. And fuck idiots who ruin everything by breaking the law and getting cases sealed so we don't get to see what happens because some jerkoff couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

So what happens to you then if you need grug smash or you burn to death and instead there's some paramedic just standing there?

Maybe they should just send out some social workers to talk to the fire and tell it burning people is bad.

Part of it is that 90% of what a firefighter does is EMT shit, so optimizing for that makes sense.

Another part is that grug smash firefighting really makes it clear why female firefighters are rare and/or a mistake.

In reality it's probably somewhat decent to have both, and in larger cities they definitely should.

 

[Gorilla Milk]

Media people in the courtroom can be a distraction. Which has actually gotten cases overturned because of it.

That makes a lot of sense, thanks. Do you know WHERE it says it's illegal, though? I'm curious, I'd like to read about this.

So what happens to you then if you need grug smash or you burn to death and instead there's some paramedic just standing there?

Maybe they should just send out some social workers to talk to the fire and tell it burning people is bad.

They still hire strong dudes who can smash up a vehicle to save someone, just not retarded grugs who's only skill is smashing up vehicles. They're more picky about it.

I hate to use this as an example but the best way to explain it is that... You know the TV shows about firefighters / EMS, like, say, Third Watch* , or Chicago Fire, or... Whatever, where they have a bunch of Grug-Brained retards lazing around in the firehouse, dicking around all day till a fire happens? They don't want that anymore. They want to have Firefighters who can also do the job as a Paramedic, so they'll work X days as a Paramedic and X days as a Firefighter. Plus if they're able to provide life-saving first aid instead of waiting for EMS to arive, well, that's even better.

I work for an EMS company though so I'm not 100% certain how it works however, but essentially it's just making sure the Firefighters are cross trained. Also I wouldn't discount Paramedics as weak dudes - having to wrestle some retard having a mental breakdown or fight off some worthless junkie you just saved with Naloxone and is angry you "ruined" his high by saving his life or carry a deathfat down 10 flights of stairs (because the elevator is out of service / it's too small for the stretcher to fit) takes a bit of physical fitness.

*A bit of an off-topic anecdote, but as a kid I grew up watching this show with my parents, so that's why I became an EMT... Now it's laughably bad, almost infuriatingly bad at times, and I can't watch it anymore.

 

[Ted's Cabin]

Part of it is that 90% of what a firefighter does is EMT shit, so optimizing for that makes sense.

It doesn't make sense to optimize it out to me because 99% of the time, there aren't any fires and firefighters just fuck around all day without something to do. You're optimizing out something that's effectively zero cost once you already decide to have people sitting around waiting for fires.

 

[not william stenchever]

*A bit of an off-topic anecdote, but as a kid I grew up watching this show with my parents, so that's why I became an EMT... Now it's laughably bad, almost infuriatingly bad at times, and I can't watch it anymore.

I am not even in the field of being an emergency responder but I find shit like Chicago Fire as actively insulting to myself and anyone that knows basic shit about how to respond to a horrible situation. I am once again reminded of the Heinlein quote from Starship Troopers where it goes something like "Every human should be able to change a diaper or dig a firing position" because I am tired of useless fucks writing scripts for similarly useless fucks to act out while people with even a basic understanding of how anything works look on in pained laughter or silent horror.

 

[TooManyKittens]

. Also I wouldn't discount Paramedics as weak dudes - having

Off topic, but no offense I would. I truly want firefighters to have the strength and capability to carry someone out of a fire.

The one and only time I had to call EMS for help for an older person they sent two who were defeated by the fact their fancy stretcher could not go up 3 stairs. And they were incapable of lifting a person down them.

Come to think of it the only prior time EMS was ever called where I was they also had the person walk to the damn wee woo bus.

Shockingly houses often aren't built level to the ground. God forbid someone have an emergency on a second floor that they cant walk themselves out the door for.

I have more shit things to say about said EMS and their actual empty brains that led to a shit ton of problems but I'll keep it to the fact that apparently getting bottom rate cheap diversity hires means EMS cannot help you when you need them. And they wonder why people drive themselves to the ER