Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[YouTube Autist]

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Russ objection is barely mentioned.

Whoops! Sorry, Charlie.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm making a prediction. Russ will not give Mr. Hardin the docs. I'm not going to speak about how much time he has left, but he is clearly stalling. That either means he won't have the time needed to do it on the last day, or he's planning on not doing it to begin with. Either way, (and in addition to his comments of IFP fraud and ignoring court orders) I don't think Russ will comply.

He may have given up and is trying to get the case dismissed, but on some grounds where he can cope that it was just some procedural bullshit and not that his case was garbage from the very start. Just bias judges using arcane rules to bully the pro se retard.

 

[BoomerPrime]

He may have given up and is trying to get the case dismissed, but on some grounds where he can cope that it was just some procedural bullshit and not that his case was garbage from the very start. Just bias judges using arcane rules to bully the pro se retard.

If it gets dismissed even without prejudice, the statute of limitations on all this nonsense has lapsed, so barring another retarded ruling from the 10th to resurrect it, it'd be over and done with right?

 

[HTTP Error 404]

I'm making a prediction. Russ will not give Mr. Hardin the docs. I'm not going to speak about how much time he has left, but he is clearly stalling. That either means he won't have the time needed to do it on the last day, or he's planning on not doing it to begin with. Either way, (and in addition to his comments of IFP fraud and ignoring court orders) I don't think Russ will comply.

Hey, he gave Mr. Hardin the docs'... general location in time and space. In a geological sense. That should be good enough! God, you'd think this is a court or something to be taken seriously and not the eternal daycare that is Russface's life. Stop harassing him by expecting him to do ~things~. He doesn't have to if he doesn't want to!

 

[BoomerPrime]

Hey, he gave Mr. Hardin the docs'... general location in time and space. In a geological sense. That should be good enough! God, you'd think this is a court or something to be taken seriously and not the eternal daycare that is Russface's life. Stop harassing him by expecting him to do ~things~. He doesn't have to if he doesn't want to!

"Plaintiff is not a Geologist, this is not his full time job! He cannot be expected to delve into the strata of legal bullshit he himself initiated and excavate the materials Defense has requested!"

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Yeah, hopefully the magistrate doesn't do like he did last time and give russ a multimonth long delay before he even rules on it and then says it wasn't a big deal.

Can a lawyer get a writ of mandamus for something like this?

"Judge is giving this fraudulently IFP nutjob pro-se litigant infinite swings at the bat to not even bother litigating his case, while we have to wrack up hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal bills and 5+ years of time that we will NEVER be able to recover. Judge ignored a "shall dismiss" or two during this whole mess. Can you force the issue?"

 

[Botchy Galoop]

When it is finally over, all that will remain is the terminal moraine. The glacial slowness of this suit will leave the tumbled debris of motions, stays and orders. These channeled scablands will forever bear the scars of Greerozoic Era.

 

[Silver Coin Anon]

A question, if Greer spectacularly fails, gets sanctioned more, and his case is thrown out and appeals denied... let's say it crashes and burns but isn't with prejudice or otherwise blocked...

If he sues again for the same/similar shit would a counter claim immediately against him be available based upon reasonable belief that it is a malicious act meant to violate the defendant instead of redressing his real grievances? Like a bear trap he couldn't escape from to make an example of him, a scary skull stuck on a pike with a sign, "This man committed fraud upon the court. Will you try the same? t. KF"

 

[Useful_Mistake]

If he sues again for the same/similar shit would a counter claim immediately against him be available based upon reasonable belief that it is a malicious act meant to violate the defendant instead of redressing his real grievances?

You can generally file a counter claim at any time before your answer is filed.

 

[AnOminous]

If it gets dismissed even without prejudice, the statute of limitations on all this nonsense has lapsed, so barring another retarded ruling from the 10th to resurrect it, it'd be over and done with right?

Yes. And this is why you don't file the day before it expires, and if you absolutely must wait until the last minute, you don't fuck around with jurisdiction or service or any other bullshit that would result in a dismissal.

Can a lawyer get a writ of mandamus for something like this?

Yes, but you generally are going to need extreme circumstances for it to be granted. Just filing a mandamus because you aren't happy how things are going is frowned upon.

 

[Swole McPole]

He may have given up and is trying to get the case dismissed, but on some grounds where he can cope that it was just some procedural bullshit and not that his case was garbage from the very start. Just bias judges using arcane rules to bully the pro se retard.

I've always thought Greer was only ever prepared to pursue this if he could do this at minimal cost and effort to himself and maximal cost and effort to null. If he'd been serious about actually prosecuting the case, he would have at least attempted to do some serious work in an attempt to take the case forward. I think his plan has just been to cause maximum pain in the hope that that'd make null settle.

He clearly doesn't know our glorious leader, does he?

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

He clearly doesn't know our glorious leader, does he?

Dear Sneeder is a stubborn man to be sure, but don't discount the community. Null couldn't have gotten as far as he did without the community backing him up. Further, if Russ by some unholy miracle actually won his case, there are more than a few users who would seek revenge; Russell wouldn't be able to go a single day without someone making sure his dirty laundry was aired.

Russell losing this case is actually the best-case scenario for him.

 

[HackerX]

Russell losing this case is actually the best-case scenario for him.

What's the worst-case scenario here? Mr. Jesus, I don't ask for much, but I want that one. Please Mr. Jesus, sir.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I'm making a prediction. Russ will not give Mr. Hardin the docs. I'm not going to speak about how much time he has left, but he is clearly stalling. That either means he won't have the time needed to do it on the last day, or he's planning on not doing it to begin with. Either way, (and in addition to his comments of IFP fraud and ignoring court orders) I don't think Russ will comply.

I'm betting he's run into a document fee that is almost a whole days work for him. Something that he has repeatedly tried to slough off onto the defendant.

I'm placing my bet on an Emergency Motion To Stay Filing Fees Pending Appeal Of IFP Ruling, which gets the case tossed for non-payment. This gets an immediate appeal because "Plaintiff sincerely believed it automatically paused the deadline to pay".

How can he appeal something that he himself presented to the court. The Court asked him "can you afford to pay the filing fees" he responded "I can I just don't want to". He's going to file to undo the things he said directly to the Judge? Twice?

 

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I'm betting he's run into a document fee that is almost a whole days work for him. Something that he has repeatedly tried to slough off onto the defendant.

How can he appeal something that he himself presented to the court. The Court asked him "can you afford to pay the filing fees" he responded "I can I just don't want to". He's going to file to undo the things he said directly to the Judge? Twice?

You know I hadn't considered that he was just being a petty little bitch and going "I don't wanna pay you pay." Makes sense now, since he's a tiny dicked loser.

As for the "motion to undo the thing that just happened," that's kinda his MO, so it doens't surprise me. He probably went off into la la land during the trial because he was either paying more attention to whatever fantasy of being a pimp (which means free pussy forever and women LOVE and RESPECT you) or he just did what he admitted to in his book, "it wasn't going well so I ignored it."

 

[Pedophobe]

Hopefully the case getting dismissed doesn't prevent additional Rule 11 sanctions from being awarded.

 

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Hopefully the case getting dismissed doesn't prevent additional Rule 11 sanctions from being awarded.

It'll get dismissed and 5 years later shitlips will still be trying to file plightsperg posts to his blog, PACER, about the darned evil Kiwi Farmers talkin' shit about him.

 

[TooManyKittens]

Hopefully the case getting dismissed doesn't prevent additional Rule 11 sanctions from being awarded.

The legal Kiwis can correct me but afaik it's been mentioned in the thread that this won't save him from sanctions for already incurred costs and problems. It just stops further misbehavior/sanctions as it's over.

I don't have any idea how friendly or not the judges will be to granting such to Hardin and null vs washing their hands of it and dismissing all the fee motions but what's mandatory vs discretionary or can be dismissed is way more legal knowledge than I have

 

[Useful_Mistake]

It just stops further misbehavior/sanctions as it's over.

Not necessarily. I believe that it stops further (ones that are not pending) Rule 11 sanctions, but does not stop further inherent-power sanctions, although those become doubly disfavored by the appellate courts. Shame that I forgot what case dealt with this issue.

 

[DavidS877]

I'm betting he's run into a document fee that is almost a whole days work for him. Something that he has repeatedly tried to slough off onto the defendant.

I'm not sure if his case is in the new system, but if it is then it looks like it's free for him to make an account. Otherwise he may need to pay $5 for access, $0.20 to search and $0.50 for the document. So, yes, I guess a whole day's work.