Katholic Kiwi Kathedral (Catholicism General) - It's a place for Catholic Kiwis to discuss Catholicism and inquirers to inquire.

  • 🏰 The Fediverse is up. If you know, you know.
  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account

Who is the best Catholic apologist alive today?

  • Bishop Robert Barron

    Votes: 69 39.2%

  • Fr. Mike Schmitz

    Votes: 76 43.2%

  • Trent Horn

    Votes: 42 23.9%

  • Jimmy Akin

    Votes: 18 10.2%

  • Joe Heschmeyer

    Votes: 10 5.7%

  • Matt Fradd

    Votes: 10 5.7%

  • Scott Hahn

    Votes: 19 10.8%

  • Brayden Cook - TheCatechumen

    Votes: 3 1.7%

  • Taylor Marshall

    Votes: 5 2.8%

  • Christian Fagner

    Votes: 9 5.1%

  • James White

    Votes: 13 7.4%
  • Total voters
    176
One thing to remember is that popes, in recent years, have generally taken up moderate lines in what they say and preach. Even Pope Francis took a middle road on quite a few things that I wouldn’t think he would (plus he was know to say things, and have them taken out of context by the media).
That said, I will keep Pope Leo in my prayers and hope for the best to come out of his tenure; I think the worse that can come out of his tenure will be his stance on immigration, and maybe some of the abuse coverup issues.
 
Adroc Thurston said:
I think the worse that can come out of his tenure will be his stance on immigration
Click to expand...
Immigration is one of those issues where faith and politics can easily butt heads.

Red_Cap summed it up good here:

Red_Cap said:
At this point I'm convinced America and Vatican are talking passed each other on immigration.

It's absolutely the Christian ethic that Christ-like love is universal and welcomes the stranger. It's Catholic teaching that mercy is to be provided to the downtrodden seeking a better way of life. The problem is that this is long-term thinking, and America is dealing with problems that require very short-term solutions, and badly.

The Vatican can preach about the common good for all as much as it likes, but that's difficult to achieve when people are drugged, raped, and/or killed. The Holy See comes off tone deaf when Conservatives run on this and their contribution is "think of the migrants!"

Neither are wrong, but they're not looking at the same thing. Because they aren't in sync, they come off inherently antagonistic toward one another and create friction where it isn't productive.
Click to expand...
The Church tends to look at the big picture and think in the long term. This is a well suited approach to maintaining theology and administering a worldwide religion, but it conflicts with the short term "here and now" approach that has gripped contemporary politics. Politicians want quick solutions to visible issues with tangible results so they can slap their names on it and take credit.

To be quite frank it's a blessing that the Church does not tend to get caught up in such notions as they are easily manipulated and subject to the fickle whims of the nebulous public. You see what happens with evangelical protestants and the risk of becoming "the church of the current thing."

It is better to have a theologically consistent Church than one that is willing to twist theology to be "based" politically.
 
ye's Official KF Burner said:
1. Allegations from Peru - Failure to act on abuse claims as Bishop of Chiclayo
HuffPost ES: Accusations against Prevost for covering up sexual abuse in Peru
Prevost is accused of not initiating canonical investigations into abuse allegations and pressuring victims or advocates to stay silent. Journalist Pedro Salinas contested these claims as "absolutely false."

2. Chicago Case - Allowed accused priest to live near a school
The Pillar: Concerns about Prevost’s decisions in Chicago abuse case
As Provincial Superior in 2000, Prevost permitted Fr. James Ray—credibly accused of abuse—to live at a friary near a Catholic school, raising safety concerns.


3. SNAP Complaint - Ongoing accountability questions
Crux Now: SNAP files complaint against Prevost for inadequate oversight
Survivors’ group SNAP has criticized Prevost’s failure to act in both Chicago and Peru, accusing him of endangering children and violating Church guidelines.
Click to expand...
I think this is pretty grim. You're telling me they couldn't find another candidate with shit like this not in his closet? And this is the stuff that managed to hit the wires years ago. What hasn't come out (yet)? How bad were the other guys that this guy, who has been accused in multiple places during his career as a priest of covering up pedophiles and endangering children, was the best option?

I don't give a shit about the wokery-or-not/what-he-thinks-about-Trump, since it's already obvious what they were going to think and say, but this is far more egregious, destructive, and degenerate.
 
Preacher ✝ said:
It is better to have a theologically consistent Church than one that is willing to twist theology to be "based" politically.
Click to expand...
Precisely. I don't want Church that always agrees with my views. I want a Church that will tell me I'm wrong when I'm wrong.
 
Meat Target said:
Precisely. I don't want Church that always agrees with my views. I want a Church that will tell me I'm wrong when I'm wrong.
Click to expand...
Indeed, but on the immigration issue neither the Church nor the current administration are wrong, per se.

Yes, we should show love and mercy to the less fortunate and do our best to help them, but that does not mean we should do so with such reckless abandon that we render ourselves unable to function as a nation. Furthermore, rulers have a duty to their people, and should act with their best interest in mind.
 
Preacher ✝ said:
Indeed, but on the immigration issue neither the Church nor the current administration are wrong, per se.
Click to expand...
Wrong! The Church is right and Trump is literally Hitler for not bending the knee. Sneed.
 
Something tells me that he is going to be all in for pushing mass migration from South America into the US. And probably mass immigration from Africa into Europe.

Time will tell if he will be an Islamo-cuck begging for cathedrals to be burned down while our daughters are raped, and citizen are mowed down by trucks of peace.
 
Congratulations on the new Pope.

20250508_165058.webp
 
Preacher ✝ said:
Indeed, but on the immigration issue neither the Church nor the current administration are wrong, per se.

Yes, we should show love and mercy to the less fortunate and do our best to help them, but that does not mean we should do so with such reckless abandon that we render ourselves unable to function as a nation. Furthermore, rulers have a duty to their people, and should act with their best interest in mind.
Click to expand...
Preacher ✝ said:
Politicians want quick solutions to visible issues with tangible results so they can slap their names on it and take credit.
Click to expand...
Leo's job going forward is to be a pastor, not a politician.
 
Großmann said:
If you are serious, what things should parents force onto children?
Click to expand...
I'm completely serious. I think you should be able to SHARE your religion with your children, but I find compulsory attendance/participation in rituals like mass, baptism, circumcision, etc. to be distasteful (I wouldn't use the word "abusive," that's too dramatic).
Local Farmer said:
This only makes sense if you believe baptism is merely a traditional procedure and not a cleansing of the soul
Click to expand...
I am not Catholic, I am a feature-tourist come to see what's up with the New Pope and see what the Catholic perspective is on him. I do perceive baptism to be a formal initiation ritual into a religion.
 
Ring of Basilius said:
I'm completely serious. I think you should be able to SHARE your religion with your children, but I find compulsory attendance/participation in rituals like mass, baptism, circumcision, etc. to be distasteful (I wouldn't use the word "abusive," that's too dramatic).

I am not Catholic, I am a feature-tourist come to see what's up with the New Pope and see what the Catholic perspective is on him. I do perceive baptism to be a formal initiation ritual into a religion.
Click to expand...
Well, it isn't. That's confirmation and it's done as an adult. Baptismal rites are not initiation into the Christian religion, it's one of many prot heresies.
 
Ring of Basilius said:
I'm completely serious. I think you should be able to SHARE your religion with your children, but I find compulsory attendance/participation in rituals like mass, baptism, circumcision, etc. to be distasteful (I wouldn't use the word "abusive," that's too dramatic).
Click to expand...
Yeah but I asked you what we should force on our children.
 
Ring of Basilius said:
I'm completely serious. I think you should be able to SHARE your religion with your children, but I find compulsory attendance/participation in rituals like mass, baptism, circumcision, etc. to be distasteful (I wouldn't use the word "abusive," that's too dramatic).

I am not Catholic, I am a feature-tourist come to see what's up with the New Pope and see what the Catholic perspective is on him. I do perceive baptism to be a formal initiation ritual into a religion.
Click to expand...
I’m going through this out there before we get derailed, Well I disagree with Ring of Basilius, I think it’s uncharitable to negrate or berate him for his posts
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom