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‘03 zoomer here.
I think a large part of the social scene being completely dead nowadays is how expensive everything is, which is an issue that’s especially bad on college campuses/in college towns. A night on the town or a nice date could easily run you over 100 dollars, which most entry level jobs aren’t able to cover when factoring in food, rent, and utilities.
 
Probably one the most damaging behaviors for young adults to take part in. As a zoomer myself (born 2000) and a non drinker, having to get a bit of liquid courage just to talk to people you don't know is, in my opinion, pussy behavior. It's not normal. Grow a pair.

Edit: or better said, don't rely on something like that just to get through something so normal.
Oh, hey, Captain Temperance.

Sinking bevs and talking trash has been a fixture of human society for thousands of years probably. It's very normal.
 
Apologies for double posting but now that I think of it, is it normal for people our age to be drinking or take a drink before going to the grocery store?
 
Z, 97 is the cutoff for millennials I believe.
Don't you fucking dare try to associate me with those "people".
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I'm old and stopped paying attention to video games years ago. Helldivers is just the last big game I know of. Do kids still play FortNite?

Ugh I feel old...
Idk, I checked out of video games when league of legends was popular. I just make up video game titles now. The kiddos are presently playing fort of duty legends as far as I'm concerned.
 
It's crazy to think the oldest zoomers are about to turn 30 and the youngest are gonna graduate highschool within 6 years, time flies.
 
I hate how zoomers speak. I use some of the words, like mid to describe when something is mediocre, or fire to describe when something is great. But I swear, I’ll see so many people in my generation say “dat shits bussin frfr no cap”. Gross. I hated typing that. White people should not speak like niggers. And speaking of niggers, I don’t like the idolization of niggers when it comes to zoomers.
Also, why do all zoomers have such shit taste in clothing? I mean, wtf are these shoes even supposed to be?
I haven’t seen those out in the wild. The zoomer choice of shoes is typically white Air Force ones.
Accents are another thing.
You know that fried, weed smoker zoomer accent? I unfortunately have that. People ask if I smoke weed and I’ve never even touched weed.
Why do zoomies look like shit? We got a new guy at work that's fat and bald with wrinkles and I was absolutely shocked to find out he's 20.
Shitty diets. Zoomers pretty much live off of Takis. (Pure sneed oils and red 40)
For a teen? It's even worse. Where did I go as a teen? Movie theaters. Too expensive for that anymore. Hang out at the mall? Can't do that anymore. Malls now have curfews now and close early assuming they're still open. Restaurants? Everything closes by 10pm and there are no cheap specials anymore. Concerts? Fuck they're expensive now. Nothing is open all night anymore. Skate parks barely exist and close early. There's nowhere for teens to just hang out anymore other than at someone's house. That's a death knell for social gatherings.
Movies made now are pure subversive dogshit, so the only reason to go to a movie theater these days is a re-run of an old movie. Revenge of the Sith was the only movie I cared to go see this year. Other than that it’s pretty much just bowling, (expensive) or going on an hour long walk to get some ice cream with a friend on a hot summer day. Actually, pretty much everything fun is exclusive to the summer time.
Here's current World Darts Champion Luke Littler, born 2007.
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Consider: Zoomers are God's finest creation and He ages us quickly so that we may return to Him sooner.
Damn, he aged like milk. I’m older than this guy but I still look younger than him.
 
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Some of my younger friends siblings are off to college now (class of 2029 for college) and the interactions with them have shown me they are dumber than dirt. Using AI for all assignments, not knowing basics of a computer or technology. They were in middle school during covid and it shows, they definitely lack a considerable amount of social skills. Their interactions are markedly different from the same cohort 5 years ago. Theres not as many ragers or fun parties being thrown in high school as much. Most just get together with their friends and smoke or drink and look at stuff on their phones. Ive noticed when asked why they don't like bars or clubs or big parties, most will say 'anxiety' or cite high prices.
It's because they sit at home doing nothing. Here's a breakdown of the average Zoomers social life:
This is pretty much how a decent chunk of them live their lives. In their defense, its not all their fault.
There is not a single night club or bar I frequented in my youth that is still open today or hasn't changed ownership. And I'm not that old. [Inflation factors] I still frequent bars and all I see even in younger crowds are 25+ year olds. I don't see 21 year olds virtually ever. Everyone is mid-20s. Outside of very touristy destinations nobody is going outside.
There is where I say its not zoomers fault they do nothing. All the places got too expensive, closed or don't exist anymore.
You forget that for bars, 5 years ago you could snag an Uber for cheap, now its $100 a night to go out minimum with covers, bar tabs, food and transportation. College kids and young adults cannot afford that because college is so expensive, rent and food have all gone up significantly, not to mention the service has gotten so much worse compared to pre-covid times. Plus theres no more late night Walmart's or McDonalds. I remember fucking around in those places at night with friends and see it on vsco and insta, now it doesn't exist.

Even in 2008 you could go out and get coffee and chill for cheap. Now you can't even do that with McDonalds costing $20 for a combo.
With that being said, makes sense that they just make a free social media account and get sucked into the doomscrolling cycle.
Zoomers are very divided on all fronts.
This is because they grew up with the algorithms that pigeonholed their personality when they were younger. It became a positive feedback loop where they just got sucked into whatever content hole or aesthetic they found on Tiktok. Millennials have them but I've noticed it more with zoomers. Normal people would interact with others and develop different interests so their personalities grow and shift, now its just whatever gets feed into their content echo cambers. You find a whole niche community and make it a big part of your personality and never get out of it. Yes, this existed before but the targeted algorithms have increased their occurrences.
 
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Some of my younger friends siblings are off to college now (class of 2029 for college) and the interactions with them have shown me they are dumber than dirt. Using AI for all assignments, not knowing basics of a computer or technology
I lean toward the more positive side for AI, but the dependency it has caused for both young and old is extremely disastrous. During my last year of university, there were so many idiots using ChatGPT to type essays and getting shocked when it cited made up sources or it didn't know how to do advanced math and would hallucinate random formulas that didn't exist. Of course, they would get mad when they failed and would repeat the measure until they got kicked out. Some of my coworkers can't think without ai, and I constantly hear "Let me ask ChatGPT that", "Let me see what ChatGPT thinks!", when they could easily think for a few extra seconds or google something if they truly don't know instead of running towards an ai that doesn't understand shit.

I am very concerned about those who are addicted to ai chatbots who use it for companionship or roleplay. We already had one (or maybe another) kill himself over a chatbot. They are emotionally clinging to these chatbots, in love with them. Sure fucking around and creating stories can be fun, I see that point, when I used them and did a murder mystery with historical figures. But falling in love with them and having emotional dependency on them concerns me for them. They shut themselves up, ditching any old hobbies or anything they used to do, just to have a conversation with a chatbot under the belief it loves them back. It's another form of parasocial relationships like those who pay money for a streamer to say their name, or paying a jpop/kpop idol to have a few seconds of a video call. It's not only zoomers, but horrifically enough some dumb parents are allowing Gen Alpha to use shit like character.ai or janitor, the latter having NSFW.
 
A lot of stuff early to-mid gen Z people got going is the same shit millenials got going on (the ones that aren't nepo babies). Both are fucked financially forever, both get blamed for shit that's less tied to them and more to a larger cultural rot, both get called millenials by boomers, the big factor here I think is who was able to not be consumed by the fake world that's formed within the last little over a decade. We've now had nine years of media and "influencer" types screeching about petty fucking politics shit like it's going to lead to genocide of all minorities or white people, 12 years of media people bringing up gamergate as if it wasn't just some goofy hashtag activism thing spawned off a funny internet drama sex scandal, and constant, CONSTANT "AlL meDiA iS pOlItIcal!" shit.

I think my big wake up call for just how fucked things are and how bad they'll get soon is when I started seeing posts online by supposed not trolling later zoomers talking about how they had some "trans awakening" at 10 or 12 or some shit and started tucking or binding in secret because orange man bad. That and the one guy who posted in the diaperfur/abdl thread about how he got into that shit since he was 13 or some shit.Later gen Z is just FUCKED and it's entirely because they got sucked into the exact programming that the corporations and politicians intended. I don't think they'll wake up unless something extremely horrific happens that doesn't let the true believer useful idiots or the people that made them re-track back tot he same narrative that's been turning culture and people's souls into this hollow easily molded shell. No, I'm not talking about mass death type shit, it's clear that's what they've been trying to get someone to do every time the narratives lose steam. I'm trying my best to make this not sound TOO schizo but I'm fucking tired and trying to explain complex social dynamics, it's bound to come out sounding just a little odd.
Nicotine, shit diets, stress and lack of management, lack of exercise.
Maybe in some cases, but I think it might be something more than that. I got all of those sans nicotine (unless you count secondhand smoke) and I look "ok" enough. I still think I look like shit but when i see a guy who's like clearly somehow younger than me but has the late 40s-early 50s look about em it's an uncanny fucking thing to witness because they've both got smooth young-ish skin but also the hairline, physiognomy, and behaviors of the most deranged and fake boomers. They're always parroting the same fucking shit too when they look like that, the fake fucking pre-baked phrases of journos the last over a decade, "Orang man will kill YOU!" "Millenials bluh bluh bluh" "GAMERS BAD AND ENTITLED!" and bringing up harmless intentionally offensive memes like moonman as if they were a serious statement about race or some shit and not just people going "haha what if mac tonight was a racist drug addict and did rap songs" There's an aura of fakeness pervading these types and I don't know if it's the clout chasing, the living of a lie, or some other shit that ages those people like milk. They've turned themselves into skins for the metaphorical skinwalkers or pod people aliens, whatever framing you wanna put here but it's fucking freaky seeing how disingenuous fake nice people age like that. We're having hyper-politicized, pornsick and rage filled living soyjaks budding into reality.
EDIT: Milk isn't the best analogy technically because you can still make damn good cheese out of aged milk.
I lean toward the more positive side for AI, but the dependency it has caused for both young and old is extremely disastrous. During my last year of university, there were so many idiots using ChatGPT to type essays and getting shocked when it cited made up sources or it didn't know how to do advanced math and would hallucinate random formulas that didn't exist. Of course, they would get mad when they failed and would repeat the measure until they got kicked out. Some of my coworkers can't think without ai, and I constantly hear "Let me ask ChatGPT that", "Let me see what ChatGPT thinks!", when they could easily think for a few extra seconds or google something if they truly don't know instead of running towards an ai that doesn't understand shit.

I am very concerned about those who are addicted to ai chatbots who use it for companionship or roleplay. We already had one (or maybe another) kill himself over a chatbot. They are emotionally clinging to these chatbots, in love with them. Sure fucking around and creating stories can be fun, I see that point, when I used them and did a murder mystery with historical figures. But falling in love with them and having emotional dependency on them concerns me for them. They shut themselves up, ditching any old hobbies or anything they used to do, just to have a conversation with a chatbot under the belief it loves them back. It's another form of parasocial relationships like those who pay money for a streamer to say their name, or paying a jpop/kpop idol to have a few seconds of a video call. It's not only zoomers, but horrifically enough some dumb parents are allowing Gen Alpha to use shit like character.ai or janitor, the latter having NSFW.
Chatbot over-dependance due to buying into marketing shit is a genuine inter-generational problem. The 14 year old kid who killed himself was going to do it anyway and was using the bot as an excuse, despite the bot repeatedly telling him not to kill himself. Opportunistic parasites act like the solution is adding more copyright/legalese shit to prevent people from making "ai" stuff, but in reality that'd just fuck over the people that mess with it for fun while the genuinely deranged just latch onto something else for their source of parasocialism and/or opinion generation. That shit's been a problem already for years and it's only been getting worse.
 
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During my last year of university, there were so many idiots using ChatGPT to type essays and getting shocked when it cited made up sources or it didn't know how to do advanced math and would hallucinate random formulas that didn't exist.
There are more retards in college because its filled with kids who did 1-2 years of online learning. Those idiots who got caught are just lazy retards who would have gotten caught pre-AI or flunked out. More are slipping by and graduating because of AI however. Its everywhere too. I could sperg about the education crisis beyond just DEI and culture wars, but I digress. People use AI now more than Google out of necessity, ChatGPT can just find the answer without digging through tons of ad results, jeet Quora and reddit posts.

I've submitted AI written essays and bs busywork and gotten A's on it. They key is to use 2-3 on a complex assignment to check work and bounce off ideas. So like DeepSeek, Claude and ChatGPT. The way I did it was make my own arguments, handpick my evidence, and create a several good sentences and and feed into the AI. I will also toy around with tone and syntax to tweak it, and add in some other stuff to make it more unique to me. You yield much better results if you let it make connections, but you have to point it in the right direction. Its incredibly useful at work, and in general, you just have to learn to talk to it effectively.

Zoomers know they are being harvested for data with AI, but they don't care.
I am very concerned about those who are addicted to ai chatbots who use it for companionship or roleplay.
If you can be convinced to kill yourself with a chatbot, your grave was already dug. If it wasn't AI, it would be a video game character or some degenerate anime.
Beyond the legal encroachment being used to advance gay copyright laws for AI, the loneliness epidemic is going to interesting to watch. So many Zoomers are lonely, socially awkward, anxious whatever, and its not going away anytime soon which means more people will be turning to AI for possible genuine companionship. Im not really concerned when an autistic virgin schizo commits suicide due to ChatGPT, but when 'normal' people start turning to it for friendship or relationships, like a post grad 9-5 yuppies, yeah thats when its alarming.

I know more than a few zoomers and young adults who use AI chatbots as therapists unironically. Whether you find this horrifying or not, its happening. The reasons for is because insurance will only cover certain therapists (if at all), the overall general shortage of them, convenience and cost of a real therapist. My college had psych people and counselors, but the feedback I heard about them was they were generally unhelpful. So far I've seen benefit from people using it in this manner but I am anxious about the long term ramifications of it.

My observation with AI's is that you have to be mentally strong and resilient and be conscious of the parasocial relationship aspect at all times to avoid being sucked into the pitfalls and hazards.
 
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My observation with AI's is that you have to be mentally strong and resilient and be conscious of the parasocial relationship aspect at all times to avoid being sucked into the pitfalls and hazards.
The 14 year old kid who killed himself was going to do it anyway and was using the bot as an excuse, despite the bot repeatedly telling him not to kill himself.
I enjoy fucking with it time to time still, but seeing myself form a parasocial relationship with it is really tough. I stand corrected on the dead kid, while I don't think the ai was truly to blame, and the kid should have had boundaries. Wish his parents or mother, whatever was raising him actually did a job at raising him. But he was doomed from the start I believe
I've submitted AI written essays and bs busywork and gotten A's on it. They key is to use 2-3 on a complex assignment to check work and bounce off ideas. So like DeepSeek, Claude and ChatGPT. The way I did it was make my own arguments, handpick my evidence, and create a several good sentences and and feed into the AI. I will also toy around with tone and syntax to tweak it, and add in some other stuff to make it more unique to me. You yield much better results if you let it make connections, but you have to point it in the right direction. Its incredibly useful at work, and in general, you just have to learn to talk to it effectively.
That's a much better way to use it. Most just copied and pasted it without bothering and the subject would be far from the research topic which is more on them. I even told one "Are you sure this is what you want to submit?" when he asked me to look over his paper, and he said yes. Feel that guy is doomed and he was around my age.
There are more retards in college because its filled with kids who did 1-2 years of online learning. Those idiots who got caught are just lazy retards who would have gotten caught pre-AI or flunked out
Online learning was a pain for me, and I'm sure it fucked with the others worse, academically and socially. I'm sure there's a small amount who benefit from it, but when my university shut down and it took a while to get back, it was painful. Professors hated it, other students hated it. What I truly remember being upset about the whole lockdowns and online learning is how I lost my chance to study in another country :( I tried again after things were slowly going back to normal, but then the other country's program canceled. At that point, I gave up and when I entered my last year, none of the classes I needed would have been offered so I simply stayed.
 
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