The Economic Collapse of 2025 - Are you tired of winning yet?

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It would not be a bad thing to increase production, manufacturing and industry in the USA once more, the same would apply for most countries that are technically capable to do so.

Overreliance on all those Asian countries has turned into an economical noose one could barely slip out of at some point as they can shut down another country's economy if all production is done by them.

Then again, who knows for sure if the noose is not already tied for some and we're about to see soon enough.

Interesting times we live in, not going to say 'it's happening' but it sure is interesting, I wonder if Xi might start sweating if the country turns on him when their economy takes more severe hits the coming years, feels like it's been a house of cards for many years now.
 
Cynical-Carnivore-88 said:
Nah, you’re 100% right and it’s infuriating!

The government won’t lift a finger to help someone build a new washing machine plant. or start a microchip foundry in Ohio, but the second Delta or Boeing starts crying about “losses” suddenly there’s a trillion dollar bailout with a bow on it?!

China’s out here shotgun-blasting subsidies into every goddamn industry; from solar, to semiconductors, to rare earth minerals; and meanwhile in the US if you’re not a defense contractor or wall street leech you’re told “bootstraps bro”

It’s not capitalism it’s selective socialism for entrenched dinosaurs.

New innovators get jack shit unless they check every identity box, or suck off ESG panels from Black Rock by offering bathroom estrogen patches for trannies or some shit. But got forbid we give Joe in Iowa a grant to build something that might actually create jobs and compete with China’s 15th semiconductor plant in Szechuan.

It’s a complete fucking joke system built to protect dying monopolies and punish anyone who wants to build something real here; by making costs uncompetitive and astronomical.
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Glad I'm not alone here!

I think so many companies were willing to let go of the Tranny shit so quickly just showed that they were only dancing that dance to get money from scumbags. The problem is that it made the scum think they mattered when they never did. It's funny these tranny loving leftists are screaming that they need to boycott Israel cuz "muh Palestine" but no company anywhere in the world will do such a thing. Why? It's not because "da jooz" control them, it's because they know A) Israel is a good market to sell goods in especially when compared to their Arab neighbors B) Israeli's are smart and innovative and so they can be used to help bring "brain power" to the companies C) Israeli's are rich/Israel is rich and stable (talking economy here) so it's a solid investment. Also the Israeli government provides grants if you want to make your own company/move to Israel. i guess what I'm trying to say is there's a reason why they are silicone valley's only real competition.



And I'm serious if you're an Israeli citizen/a Jew willing to move to Israel/become a citizen and you have a business idea, All you need to do is show the government a business plan and they will give you a massive loan to start your project, and help you along the way (this is also to ensure they get their money back). That's why Israel is full of start ups. The government literally gives them financial backing to build a foundation (after which they cease to support them, especially after they make their money back). There is zero reason why the feds or even the states can't do this.
 
Cynical-Carnivore-88 said:
Anyone who seriously thinks a 104% tariff on China is gonna “revive the economy” is fucking retarded. Full helmet, licking windows on the short bus tier retarded. All it does is nuke imports, jack up prices, and piss off the Chinese enough to retaliate harder. Manufacturing’s not coming back, costs go up, markets crash, and the average American gets bent over a Made-in-USA barrel with a smile. This isn’t strategy, it’s economic self-harm disguised as patriotism. Inflation’s gonna rawdog the middle class while boomers cheer like it’s Reagan’s second coming. It’s not a trade war, it’s a fiscal gun to the dick. Absolute fucking clown show.
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Wow you’re a fucking retard aren’t you?
 
Cynical-Carnivore-88 said:
Anyone who seriously thinks a 104% tariff on China is gonna “revive the economy” is fucking retarded. Full helmet, licking windows on the short bus tier retarded. All it does is nuke imports, jack up prices, and piss off the Chinese enough to retaliate harder. Manufacturing’s not coming back, costs go up, markets crash, and the average American gets bent over a Made-in-USA barrel with a smile. This isn’t strategy, it’s economic self-harm disguised as patriotism. Inflation’s gonna rawdog the middle class while boomers cheer like it’s Reagan’s second coming. It’s not a trade war, it’s a fiscal gun to the dick. Absolute fucking clown show.
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Thanks for letting us know you're retarded! How was your shift bagging groceries tonight?
 
Popper Whiting said:
You guys voted those politicians in. They represent you. You don't get to skirt the line of taking responsibility or shirking it at your convenience it is either one or the other. Cry and call reddittor all you want.

You faggots are the biggest sooks online, you always claim everything is somebody else's fault and you're hard done by. You're the fattest cunts on the planet crying about what's on your plate. You're not the victims you think you are.
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But he's right though. I don't think that's so much playing the victim as simply saying that things aren't always black and white, and nations/their leaders aren't perfect actors plus a general critique of short term thinking. The idea that a nation at the peak of its power can't still make a decision that later turned out to be disfavorable isn't a controversial one. It's simple-minded to think otherwise. You can write the rules so they seem to be in your favor at the time, and a mistake was made, conditions change, or maybe the representative IS bad and the people voted poorly and that burden is on them. Where the hell is this accusation that anyone is evading accountability coming from, pure anti-american hate and seethe from the redditor insult?
 
FTSE100 opens on a down
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Anglos lose again.
 
Nitro! said:
Fuck it, crash the whole damn world. What we're doing isn't working.
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"I hate my life, society has failed me, billions must suffer with me" is not a very politically viable statement.
Lazy Drei said:
Overreliance on all those Asian countries has turned into an economical noose one could barely slip out of at some point as they can shut down another country's economy if all production is done by them.
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Guess who holds an outrageous amount of American national debt right now, it's China, Japan and Europe.
It's not even about industrial production, the very minute that trust in the American financial system ends and they start offloading bonds, the cost of borrowing dollars will become outrageous, Powell (or more likely his loyalist replacement since he'd have bailed long ago) will have to turn on the money printer to keep social security payments going, and you're on a fast track to loan defaults.

Every capital market will shun US holdings as collateral due to instability, nobody can predict if the orange nigger will wake up tomorrow and "patriotically nationalize foreign enemy assets", trust in the American market becomes as low as the shitcoins he was shilling. And in the meantime China can offer currency swaps to the entire planet, trade on swap with the EU, and cut the Americans out of everything while they're busy pursuing Juche.
 
Fae Supremacist said:
"I hate my life, society has failed me, billions must suffer with me" is not a very politically viable statement.

Guess who holds an outrageous amount of American national debt right now, it's China, Japan and Europe.
It's not even about industrial production, the very minute that trust in the American financial system ends and they start offloading bonds, the cost of borrowing dollars will become outrageous, Powell (or more likely his loyalist replacement since he'd have bailed long ago) will have to turn on the money printer to keep social security payments going, and you're on a fast track to loan defaults.

Every capital market will shun US holdings as collateral due to instability, nobody can predict if the orange nigger will wake up tomorrow and "patriotically nationalize foreign enemy assets", trust in the American market becomes as low as the shitcoins he was shilling. And in the meantime China can offer currency swaps to the entire planet, trade on swap with the EU, and cut the Americans out of everything while they're busy pursuing Juche.
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How retarded can this thread be…
 
Greasy Goblin said:
But he's right though. I don't think that's so much playing the victim as simply saying that things aren't always black and white, and nations/their leaders aren't perfect actors plus a general critique of short term thinking. The idea that a nation at the peak of its power can't still make a decision that later turned out to be disfavorable isn't a controversial one. It's simple-minded to think otherwise. You can write the rules so they seem to be in your favor at the time, and a mistake was made, conditions change, or maybe the representative IS bad and the people voted poorly and that burden is on them. Where the hell is this accusation that anyone is evading accountability coming from, pure anti-american hate and seethe from the redditor insult?
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It is a loathing of what I see is a weakness. Most of what I hear from people in the US is grievance about how they were "hard done by" but absolutely no action. This is going back to the 2007-2008 GFC, the system got fucked by the same people you just voted in, your tax dollars bailed the banks out and the banks got to keep the debt and seize assets.

I've said it before, you all brag about your freedom of speech and your right to bear arms, but at no stage have any of you bothered to organize to exercise either right effectively. Instead you mald, cry pity and lash out because the majority of you have locked yourselves into being perpetual victims, acting entirely emotionally, like a BPD ex girlfriend. It's always someone else, never you. Take responsibility for the mess by organizing, Actually risk something for once instead of sitting on your asses expecting the latest meme politician to miracle you out of the shitfight you've been in for the past 20 years.
 
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FootballBuff said:
You have an argument on Japan being their "self-defense force" is an active military in everything but name. But China actively wants to invade and subjugate Taiwan. Why would they fence sit when all that does is run them the risk of losing the power of NATO backing? Did everyone forget we're still the worlds largest weapons dealer? Did all of you forget? WE'VE GOT THE BOMBS!
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As the Russian Ukraine war is showing, America uses them as cannon fodder while drip feeding out of date tech. And then try to negotiate some kind of minerals deal and pretend it's a mutual defense pact. Also NATo means North Anerican Treaty Organization. Taiwan is not a member.

Remember that Taiwan doesn't actually have a US Embassy, they have the American Institute of Taiwan. Why does it have that? Because the US's One China policy makes it so they have to be ambiguous about their Sovereignty. Also, the whole reason why they have to say Taiwan/Formosa is because the US didn't support them enough during the Civil War and became an island nation in the first place.
sedoL said:
I see everyone is dooming here, but what's the problem? Economic collapse? Isn't this still just according to plan?
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It's the people rooting for total market collapse that makes it suspicious. MAGA got the mandate it did because people want the economy to get better.Then when people start asking questions, they tell them to get fucked and want everyone's fortunes to be destroyed: Canada's, Boomers, China, Europe. Malevolent intent is always bad and the actions stemming from it need to be questioned.
 
Fae Supremacist said:
"I hate my life, society has failed me, billions must suffer with me" is not a very politically viable statement.
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I know you don't know what the plight of the rust belt is like europoor but people are quite frankly pissed about having their wealth stolen from them by other countries.
 
One thing I really enjoy is the people that for years saying the stock market going up is not good for them now are saying that the stock market going down is the worst thing in the world.
 
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