US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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whotfsaidthat said:
the post was up for like 5min and i deleted it because of spelling errors. its not like it was up for 2hours and people replied 🙄
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1: I replied that what happened was Nixon opened trade with China

2: I don’t believe that anyone could “do research” and not see that discussed since it’s pretty fucking well known and understood. What you listed in your manifesto amounted to “economy is a social construct” so I assume you’re a bad faith actor
 
whotfsaidthat said:
i could be wrong on some of this, its not really my area and again im not from the US. but if youre looking for when things started getting worse for the american middle class and working class, this era keeps coming up. seems like a lot of decisions made back then had long term consequences that are still felt today
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You are clearly finding mainstream/libtard sources on this, because anyone who claims the 70s were better than the 80s is either lying, or didn't live in either decade and is repeating lies. In recent years, libtards have begun rewriting the history of the Carter years to make it sound like a period when the middle class thrived and everything was great, when it was actually a period when inflation was so bad that nobody could get ahead if they weren't extremely well-connected, and America was on retreat everywhere in the world because of our incompetent, feckless leadership.

In the 1980s, we had a brief, sharp recession as the economy readjusted to significant structural changes imposed by Reagan and Volcker (who ironically didn't see eye to eye). At the time, the media shrieked and screamed that omg, some numbers went down, but the reality is you can't fix something as bad as the Carter economy painlessly, and afterward, we had about two decades of good times.

If it sounds like I'm just talking about now, but with different names, well, the 70s and the 2010s have a lot in common. In 25 years, libtard historians will be claiming 2020-2024 was the best America ever had it. In fact, they're already trying to claim this.
 
Kuritan Deplorable said:
Lmao at all the stock seething. I own stocks, and I have lost nothing, because I Own The Stocks Still. Unless you were a seething retard who panic sold, all that's happened is some third party assessment of the dollar value of your stake has changed, but you still own the exact same amount of the company. If everything is down, that means everything was overinflated in that dollar value assessment.

If the companies I bought into are in fact not shit, and make it through this transitionary phase, it'll be just fine. The only ones to be actually afraid of are the ones who were hyperinflating their stock values with bullshit games, rather than via producing goods and services. Which admittedly, is pretty much all recent tech IPO's, but if you bought into Reddit thinking it was an economically productive asset, you were gonna get assfucked regardless of the cause. This way is just funnier.
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Lol at all the Timmies out there.
 
IAmNotAlpharius said:
Lol at all the Timmies out there.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=u9TkHXoM8GY
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Tomorrow morning, the arbitrary numbers will be happy, because Starmer will make remarks that globalism has failed and the market will react to Vietnam and Taiwan saying they want 0% reciprocal tariffs. China will fume, democrats will join them, but there’s no cliff to fall off tomorrow morning

@Beavis he wants lower interest rates to refinance
 
Beavis said:
Trump is wrong to want lower interest rates. It would just create another bubble that bursts. 4.5% isn’t high.
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I agree that it would create more bubbles, but I think it might actually be good to create some domestic micro-bubbles. At least people will get out of it with useful skills and maybe some equipment lying around. We used to use these tricks to sustain useless business that did nothing.
 
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Your analysis is otherwise pretty good, but draftees during Vietnam were mostly boomers.

The draft has a maximum age limit and skews younger even within its age range. 19 and 20 year olds were drafted at much higher rates.

There's an important difference between whether or not the median boomer went, and whether or not the median draftee was a boomer.
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What I can find online is that the average conscript age was 20 by 1966. So that is right on the Boomer/Silent line. So yes, the average conscript when all those movies were made would have been an early Boomer born in the late 1940s.

But also, from my experience (I know, anecdotes aren't data), my late-40s-born family are quite a bit different from my 50s-born family. On top of that, the ones who did go to Vietnam are old guys with piles of guns and Make America Great Again + POW/MIA flags in their yards, not hippies.

Most pathological behavior people associate with Boomers IMO tends to be that 50s-born cohort that never really knew any hardship at all. If you were 20 in 1967, you were old enough to experience the 1970s as a really, reallly shitty decade, while if you didn't turn 20 until 1975, the shittiness of the late 70s didn't affect you much, since you don't really get going until the 80s, and things are a lot better. It's like how Millennials born in the 1980s experienced the Bush years very differently from Millennials born in the 1990s.
 
whotfsaidthat said:
i could be wrong on some of this, its not really my area and again im not from the US. but if youre looking for when things started getting worse for the american middle class and working class, this era keeps coming up. seems like a lot of decisions made back then had long term consequences that are still felt today
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I can explain in a philosophical way where things went off the rails. We started allowing financial fraud to go unchecked. Anti-trust and general financial fraud laws stopped being enforced at some point in the past 20-30 years and that's when the wheels really fell off. Ethics went right out the window. Why play by the rules when the rules no longer matter? We went from the American ideal of acting in the sense of right and wrong and shifted into what can I get away with mode. Get rich or die tryin'. Crony capitalism is the biggest threat to capitalism.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Benjamin Franklin
 
I had to buy new home appliances recently and I don't see no stinkin' tariffs. Gas is cheaper, groceries are cheaper... I am beginning to think these supposed tariff price hikes are Ivory Tower nonsense.
 
whotfsaidthat said:
there was also a big push for deregulation. they removed a lot of rules from industries
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You basically only looked at liberal and normalfag sources. We have more regulations now than ever. Euros argue it’s not enough because they live in overregulated hellscapes and view anything less as anarchy. Monopolization happened in part of more regulations, since the regulations that exist in the US can only be shored by major corporations.
The big change happened at the end of the 60s, with the US changing immigration laws to make it easier for non-euros to immigrate. That lead to people rushing into the country legally and illegally. You also had women entering in the work force far more. Both of which inflated the labor pool and kept wages stagnate. The big thing Reagan did here was nationalize a shitload of illegals. Our work pool being ever expanding is literally why we never recovered from ‘08. You can even see similar stagnation that happened when we had an explosion of immigration from Europe. It’s literally the reason why wages suck and necessities like housing are expensive. We can’t afford more assistance to the average American because all of our social programs only go to retarded brown people we import.(social programs we have more than ever mind you) Liberals play pretend that this isn’t an issue, and was all caused by Reagan in the ‘80s because their plan was to make the retarded brown people their voter base.
 
whotfsaidthat said:
i generally stay out of politics stuff since it doesnt concern my country afaik. im also not a US citizen. due to the re-election of trump i did some research about the history of the US and when it all went downhill. now im not saying that is exactly this, but i think most people agree something bad happened in the 70s or 80s. after further research the most prominent thing seems to be that the US changed its whole economic strategy around that time

they apparently started cutting taxes a lot, especially for rich people and corporations. from what i found, the top income tax rate was like 70 percent in 1980 and by the end of the 80s it was down to 28 percent. same deal with corporate taxes. the idea was called trickle down economics which is basically the theory that if rich people and businesses keep more money, they will invest more and it will help everyone. but from what i can tell, that just led to more wealth for the top and not much improvement for the average person
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Yeah all that's bullshit.
During the late 70's we had inflation at 14%, and fuel shortages.
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These gasoline rationing lines were nationwide.
Reagan signed major tax reform in 1981, and in 1986 after a major stock market crash.
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By 1987 Federal interest rates were around 4%, the energy crisis was over, allowing the people to buy housing, and start businesses, WHILE TOTAL FEDERAL REVENUE WENT UP.
 
StarkRavingMad said:
Based on the pictures I've seen, there's no cohesive message with this protest whatsoever. It's just another fucking temper tantrum over the fact that the person they didn't vote for won. That's literally all this is.
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All things considered, they are legally permitted TO protest as that IS their right granted by our Constitution. I don't think they're aware or CARE that they're privileged TO throw tantrums disguised as protests when other countries would just lock them up for speaking out.
 
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