Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[RodgerDodger]

My guess is this means that Russel's behavior this week will now be ruled harmless

He's going to be forced to pay for Hardin's time. He has deliberately wasted thousands of dollars on his failure to produce witnesses and discovery.

 

[I Shidded I Farded I Came]

I apologize if this is a stupid question, but why is the withdrawn subpoena a mercy for Russell?

You would think admitting he was bullshitting after all that time he wasted with his disclosures would be pretty bad for his "please don't sanction me" pleading and the case in general. But if there is anything I learned from the Melinda Scott business it is that the legal system operates under esoteric moon-logic. Magic 8balls are more reliable than federal judges.

 

[obsdj]

He's got one due by Monday

I really wanted that damn Motion to Quash. But whatever he serves up cold, late, and gay in the wee hours of Tuesday morning will hopefully make up for it.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

He's going to be forced to pay for Hardin's time. He has deliberately wasted thousands of dollars on his failure to produce witnesses and discovery.

Hardin will pay Russell for his own time, because as the defense lawyer, he's actually supposed to help the plaintiff and he clearly did not. Greer should inform the judge of this ASAP so he can get the maximum restitution.

 

[FamicomGorby]

I guess it was inevitable, but we're going into a court case where there is apparently no evidence that anything happened. What even happens during the rest of discovery then? Does Greer subpoena Null to ask him where all the cheese is?

 

[AnOminous]

I guess it was inevitable, but we're going into a court case where there is apparently no evidence that anything happened. What even happens during the rest of discovery then? Does Greer subpoena Null to ask him where all the cheese is?

I demand to know every variety of cheese nool has ever eaten.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Rate me optimistic. But I'm having trouble imagining the Judge not going apopleptic when he reads all of this.

 

[obsdj]

I guess it was inevitable, but we're going into a court case where there is apparently no evidence that anything happened. What even happens during the rest of discovery then? Does Greer subpoena Null to ask him where all the cheese is?

That was last week:

 

[Billy Bong]

It was a good run. More than 4 years! Ah well, you'll get 'em next time! HOPE YOU DON'T GO BROKE! Just kidding!

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

So we have to register SayQuashi.lol now?

 

[LiquidChrisRespecter]

I apologize if this is a stupid question, but why is the withdrawn subpoena a mercy for Russell?

His family now won't have to be interrogated about shit they have no knowledge about, saving them and Russ a great deal of embarrassment when he's already on thin ice with the court. AFAIA they're still expecting an explanation for his timewasting, otherwise he's due a hefty fine and/or dismissal.

Something that never would've been necessary if Russ didn't take a fucking age pulling a witness list out of his ass in the first place.

He never expected his case to make it this far, so he is now unfortunately the dog that caught the car. In his panic, he has named 2 family members as witnesses to his copyright infringement claims who weren't even aware this latest lolsuit was ongoing until opposing counsel contacted them.

Not only that, but the key witness that the case he insisted needed to be moved back to Utah for is conspicuously absent from Russ' disclosure. Presumably he was going to speak on the harassment portion of the claim which has already been dismissed.

Not to mention the fact that just namedropping people with a phone number does not a disclosure make. You need to give addresses and the relevant shit they intend to testify about. Both of which he failed to do.

At this point, Russ has all but admitted that in terms of ebbuhdance, he doesn't have shit. On either claim.

Plus he's filed a motion backpedaling on libelling Hardin as some kind of politically-motivated pawn of the Farms, but then proceeded to accuse Hardin of being compromised because he was paid in an unconventional way. It's just a fucking mess.

 

[Billy Bong]

I owe nothing child, you have no idea how the law works.
Seek. Help

It's been an amazing journey. I look forward to what happens next with our vexatious nutball. I'm hoping this will move him away from lawsuits and onto other brothel-making adventures.
And that Null is finally off the hook.

 

[Warm Lasagna]

How much will Greer owe Hardin? Taking bets now…

I’ll say $6000

 

[Harvey Danger]

I'm confused. The stipulation is that those witnesses have no info (1), but it doesn't explicitly say they won't be testifying, just that Greer doesn't intend to call any OTHER witnesses (2). Point 3 says if he tries to call any OTHER witnesses apart from the two who have no info, the stipulation is void.

It seems like an insufficient penalty. The moment Russ thinks this agreement means he gets to call 0 people, he'll back out and either add witnesses, pull these two back out to testify, or testify himself. "Aha, you broke the deal, now we get to... subpoena your brother" doesn't sound like a good enough deterrent to the most retarded plaintiff in the state.

Is it tacitly understood that since those two have no info, they cannot or will not be called as witnesses? If so, it seems unwise (at least with this plaintiff) not to say so in plain language.

I have a theory why it isn't, but Null doesn't want us helping the vexatious moron.

 

[FamicomGorby]

I have a theory why it isn't, but Null doesn't want us helping the vexatious moron.

Yeah I think it's better to just trust that Hardin, the lawyer who was ready to go up and argue in front of the Supreme Court, knows what he's doing.

How much will Greer owe Hardin? Taking bets now…

I’ll say $6000

I think Null has said how much Hardin charges per hour, I wanna say like $300. So I'd guess that Hardin has probably spent at least five hours dealing with this bullshit, so $1500 is my guess.

 

[Pee Cola]

I think Null has said how much Hardin charges per hour, I wanna say like $300. So I'd guess that Hardin has probably spent at least five hours dealing with this bullshit, so $1500 is my guess.

Hardin should consider reducing the bill to $1488, for the lulz.

 

[Billy Bong]

How much will Greer owe Hardin? Taking bets now…

I’ll say $6000

80085
dollars

 

[S.C.U.D.]

How much will Greer owe Hardin? Taking bets now…

I’ll say $6000

Fees are adjusted based on the financial status of the loser. See Melinda Scott only owing Null forty-something dollars in the end. If Russ has to pay fees I'd expect a similar amount.

 

[BoomerPrime]

I think Null has said how much Hardin charges per hour, I wanna say like $300. So I'd guess that Hardin has probably spent at least five hours dealing with this bullshit, so $1500 is my guess.

He should make it $1600 just so the sanctions for this shitshow are just a little bit more than the bill he got for the Ariana Grande retardation.

 

[Black Spruce]

I think Null has said how much Hardin charges per hour, I wanna say like $300. So I'd guess that Hardin has probably spent at least five hours dealing with this bullshit, so $1500 is my guess.

As far as I can tell, Hardin entered the case on November 1st 2023. There have been 151 docket entries since then. I'm not counting how many were filed by Hardin because I haven't any access to most of them and I have very limited knowledge on how this is done. But there is no way it's only been five hours especially with all the e-mail communication with Greer over the last almost 14 months he's been on the case. Plus all the times he's had to file and I assume pay to file.