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Suddenly when it's not in their favor (the Cass Review) they don't trust The Experts™
The difference is that the NHS is heavily motivated to only use treatments with demonstrably provable positive outcomes, because it doesn't profit off of procedures, it's spending public funds to do them. American cows manage, through insurance, to get all sorts of treatments like boob jobs, nose jobs, forehead recontouring, brow lifts, chin shaves, jaw shaves, cheek implants, lip fillers, hair transplants, hairline modification, body sculpting and occasionally even that insane larynx surgery.

The NHS will prescribe hormones and will offer one amhole surgery - if a patient opts for an orchiectomy, they can't later get an amhole, which is at odds with how a lot of American patients approach it (snip now, hole later). But it does not offer any sort of treatment for facial feminisation (barring extreme exceptions). If someone transitions and complains they've got male pattern baldness and a flat chest, the NHS will treat them like a woman who's balding and flat chested - which is to say "that sucks, but that's something that some women experience, so we can offer you counselling but we're not going to give you cosmetic surgery". The rationale is there's no evidence that the surgery actually provides a long term improvement in wellbeing, or that any wellbeing impact from surgery doesn't outweight the risks and costs compared to counselling someone to make them accept that they don't look like a Hollywood starlet. Separately you could have an argument about how overstretched/mismanaged the NHS is, and how it tends to be more interested in getting people to a minimum level of functional rather than truly happy and healthy, but that's not in any way specific to one group of patients.

This causes a lot of seething because it obstructs the typical cope of "well I just need one more surgery and then I'll feel happy!". But in the case of puberty blockers, there's several reasons why Cass happened
  • Trans patient advocacy groups would not shut up about how awful the NHS was, so as soon as the NHS switched from trusts to NHS England being an overall commissioning body, this prompted a lot of specific reviews into transgender healthcare

  • There was no national strategy on how to treat trans people or specifically younger trans people - gender identity clinics tended to emerge independently of each other and have their own approaches, and there was no pathway for transition from youth to adult services (whereas it does exist for things like counselling kids with special needs, like downs syndrome, when they're going to age out of a service) - this is something that trans patient advocacy groups specifically complained about

  • There was an exponential explosion in referrals to gender identity clinics in the space of about a decade, and the services literally couldn't cope - this is something that trans patient advocacy groups specifically complained about

  • There was very little follow up for things like mental health support to patients or analysis of long term outcomes. This is something that trans patient advocacy groups specifically complained about, but only a little bit (the main cause for concern is patients who weren't benefitting from their treatment, but advocacy groups took that as a given)

  • Puberty blockers were originally used following the Dutch protocol, which was a pre-pubertal child with no comorbidities and lifelong gender incongruent behaviour and distress over gender being prescribed puberty blockers, and following review they would be allowed to go on cross-sex hormones after a period of puberty blocking. The Tavistock Clinic took that and turned it into "we have to put you on puberty blockers for a couple of years to allow you to take hormones". Puberty blockers began being a box checking exercise for adolescents, many of whom had comorbidities and late and rapid onset gender dysphoria, as a way to get them to qualify for hormones. This decision was made without considering if the puberty blockers had any benefit to these adolescents beyond "makes them qualify for hormones". This was not something transgender advocacy groups complained about, but many clinicians did.

  • The Tavistock Clinic (and possibly other youth GICs like Nottingham) was dominated by an unusual number of inexperienced junior clinics and had close links to ideological groups like Mermaids, to the point of literally taking instructions from them. This was something transgender advocacy groups praised... but a lot of other people didn't.

  • High profile detransitioners like Keira Bell spoke about how the Tavistock Clinic pushed kids into transition without asking any questions. She was given puberty blockers age 16 as part of that box checking exercise.
That's why the NHS banned the use of puberty blockers (in Great Britain) following the Cass review. That's not why puberty blockers are wholesale banned, though, because the usual suspects could not help themselves and began filling social media feeds with details of how to get prescriptions from outside the UK, or how to get NHS treatment via going over to Northern Ireland. Finnster even announced he was going to run a project to help kids get puberty blockers from doctors in the EU. There was also a lot of "you can't stop us transing your kids" shitposting, and obviously this would entirely mess up any attempt to do a clinical trial to try and establish an evidence base. Consequently, it is now illegal for any chemist in the UK to dispense puberty blockers.
India Willoughby vouching for puberty blockers and advocating children diy to avoid ban.

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Himdia is right, though, this is a remaining loophole. If a British citizen is prescribed a medication by a doctor in the EEC, and goes to any EEC member state, they can have that prescription honoured subject to local laws. There are certain medications illegal in the UK but legal elsewhere in Europe - one example would be the use of flunitrazepam (rohypnol) in the treatment of insomnia. A German doctor might prescribe it to me and I can go to a chemist's in Germany to get it. If I took the prescription back to the UK, I wouldn't be able to get it here because it's banned. I could also arrange to receive a consultation with a German doctor online, get a prescription, then fly to Germany and fill the prescription, although I might struggle bringing that medication back into the country.

This is essentially the loophole that groups are working on right now. Get a kid in touch with an EU doctor, get the doctor to write a puberty blocker prescription, liaise with contacts in any European country to drop off the prescription on their behalf, head to that country once the prescription is in to collect the puberty blockers, do the injection there. It'd be pretty hard to legislate against this, as you'd basically be trying to make a law that British citizens can only take British-approved medications even if they're not in the UK. It's not a situation that's ever come up before, because normally patients aren't so singleminded about getting their hands on a banned medication that they'd regularly take international trips using a network of sympathetic doctors and enablers. It's a pretty expensive option, mind, so I'm sure there'll be some GoFundMes or similar popping up soon.
 
American cows manage, through insurance, to get all sorts of treatments like boob jobs, nose jobs, forehead recontouring, brow lifts, chin shaves, jaw shaves, cheek implants, lip fillers, hair transplants, hairline modification, body sculpting and occasionally even that insane larynx surgery.
Interesting how NHS consolidation and public healthcare managed to say fuck you to these troons, a lot of them leftist/coomunist lmao. Also funny how they basically rely on American runaway capitalism for their delusions here
 
This is essentially the loophole that groups are working on right now. Get a kid in touch with an EU doctor, get the doctor to write a puberty blocker prescription, liaise with contacts in any European country to drop off the prescription on their behalf, head to that country once the prescription is in to collect the puberty blockers, do the injection there. It'd be pretty hard to legislate against this, as you'd basically be trying to make a law that British citizens can only take British-approved medications even if they're not in the UK
What makes that hard to legislate against though?
I don't know UK laws but couldn't they just make it illegal for anyone to aid, assist, or facillitate a minor obtaining cross sex hormones or puberty blockers, either in person or online?

The UK Government already locks people up for free speech on Xitter, which is way more authoritarian and against human rights than a law designed to protect children from themselves or ideologically fanatical adults.
Ok you're never gonna stop every single person, but no laws are 100% effective, I doubt there's many minors with the ability to travel to another country regularly to fill prescriptions, making assisting or facilitating a minor Trooning out would stop most of it at least, and this shit is a social contagion, getting the numbers down and making it less widespread is the goal, banning advertising and promoting it needs to happen too. It's suck fucks in the schools that are spreading this mind virus, that should be illegal at least.
 
I don't know UK laws but couldn't they just make it illegal for anyone to aid, assist, or facilitate a minor obtaining cross sex hormones or puberty blockers, either in person or online?
Very easily.
There are already laws around assisting criminals and criminality in the UK, so this could easily be an extension of that by criminalising the use of hormones or blockers.

I'd also say that the definition of child abuse should be widened. and any child who is found to be using hormones or blockers should be used as evidence against their insane parents and anyone enabling them.
 
I don't know UK laws but couldn't they just make it illegal for anyone to aid, assist, or facillitate a minor obtaining cross sex hormones or puberty blockers, either in person or online?

You’d need an exception for children with precocious puberty who actually need them, but yeah, along with prescribing them (ie. a separate offence and penalty for doctors).

ETA @Nero Fiddled you still have to make accessorial liability a specific offence, and criminalising use makes the child the primary offender, and the adults the accessories (which traditionally means a lower sentence than the primary offender gets). The real harm is adults supplying etc the hormones or blockers to children who shouldn’t have them, not mentally ill kids trying to get them, so the prohibition should be directed to those adults. I’d leave the kids out of any criminal prohibition as they’re the victims ie. them using them isn’t a crime per se, but every adult in the supply chain should be crucified. I would also add in counselling or procuring a child to take them as well, again with an exception for kids with precocious puberty.
 
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Very easily.
There are already laws around assisting criminals and criminality in the UK, so this could easily be an extension of that by criminalising the use of hormones or blockers.

I'd also say that the definition of child abuse should be widened. and any child who is found to be using hormones or blockers should be used as evidence against their insane parents and anyone enabling them.
I wouldn't say that's completely off the cards.

Right now the justification of the ban is that there's simply not enough high quality clinical evidence to justify the use of puberty blockers off-label in the treatment of gender dysphoria. This permanent ban is going to be reviewed following a clinical trial that's due to commence in the coming months, which is par for the course with bans that happened like this under the Medicines Act. The argument advocacy groups are raising is that there's not enough high quality clinical evidence of harm to justify banning it, but as before, that's not really how it works. Mostly there's just very limited clinical evidence of outcomes associated with puberty blockers.

In theory, if the clinical trial comes back with results that show that puberty blockers work great, then the ban will be reversed. However if the trial comes back showing that puberty blockers are incredibly damaging, don't provide any meaningful positive prognosis in patients compared to control and may in fact force children experiencing temporary gender related distress to commit to being transgender, then there's a rationale for introducing primary legislation to specifically criminalise the use of puberty blockers rather than just restricting their sale. Results should be out in 2027.
 
You’d need an exception for children with precocious puberty who actually need them, but yeah, along with prescribing them (ie. a separate offence and penalty for doctors).
Gender dysphoria needs to be reclassified in the DSM and be treated with psychotherapy opposed to puberty blockers/"gender affirming surgery" as well.
 
Tranny on Letterboxd complaining about a Slenderman documentary not including that the Slenderman myth spread through... *checks notes*... hate sites like reddit and 4chan. Described as "actual predators" and "parasites."
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Reddit? Notoriously toxic site??? What fucking planet do you live on?
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This man will not survive.
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Discussion of his antics has reached reddit.
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Vocal supporter of child genital mutilation.
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Sally Jane Black / @fuchsisadyke /
Rabbit hole worth going down, unfortunately I don't have the time. Haven't found deadname.
Archive of youtube channel, used to be involved in the Habitat for Humanity of New Orleans, doing good work. Unfortunately he is now just a loser bum begging on gofundme, writing about communism in the letterboxd comments, and shouting that the government needs to allow trans people to groom children NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.
 
The UK Government already locks people up for free speech on Xitter, which is way more authoritarian and against human rights than a law designed to protect children from themselves or ideologically fanatical adults.
Unfortunately the UK is an anarcho-tyranny at the moment, which does all of the bad-authoritarian things but none of the good-authoritarian things.

I'm somewhat shocked that we've ended up with a Health Secretary who seems to be semi-based. I suspect the "it's the troons wot lost it" argument from the US election is why he's not been reined in yet.
 
High profile detransitioners like Keira Bell spoke about how the Tavistock Clinic pushed kids into transition without asking any questions. She was given puberty blockers age 16 as part of that box checking exercise.
Thanks for your informative post. It explains why so many teenagers were given puberty blockers in the UK, even when they had obviously already reached Tanner Stage V (that is, finished) their puberty before they got the first dose.
 
To be sort of fair he could be talking about "clothes" as in "day wear" and not pajamas. Like he's started sleeping in jeans in case he has to be marched out in handcuffs at 2 am. I really hope that's what he means.
 
I don’t want to foster any paranoia (trannynoia?), but I browse the Farms on my phone and tablet, as well as other NSFW lunacy. I do not get tranny related ads or content. I also have no interest in YA, SF, fantasy etc, or most games, so I’m clearly not the right demographic.

This kind of confirms my thoughts that it's about adjacent media, as opposed to my phone listening to me.

It's a "People who liked X also bought Y"

So if I buy Warhammer books I might also like ... horrifying tranny porn. Or if I bought Redwall I also might like .... horrifying tranny porn. Absolute clown world.

It creeps me out, though, that I mentioned Chinese History in my rant and next time it showed me a book on Chinese folk literature. It's just a coincidence... right? RIGHT?
*tinfoil noises intensify*
 

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This kind of confirms my thoughts that it's about adjacent media, as opposed to my phone listening to me.

It's a "People who liked X also bought Y"

So if I buy Warhammer books I might also like ... horrifying tranny porn. Or if I bought Redwall I also might like .... horrifying tranny porn. Absolute clown world.

It creeps me out, though, that I mentioned Chinese History in my rant and next time it showed me a book on Chinese folk literature. It's just a coincidence... right? RIGHT?
*tinfoil noises intensify*
I think it does listen. Hell world. But you can turn off permissions to your mic and other things in your settings. Lock it down as much as possible.
 
Needing a recommendation for a video or creator who can explain why trans ideology is harmful to a boomer relative. He’s a kindhearted person who usually goes along with whatever public opinion is, and we live in a liberal hellhole. He’s got several trans coworkers and is generally “live and let live” even though he does think it’s odd that his TIF coworker got the titty chop THEN had a baby, even if he can’t elucidate WHY he finds it weird.

Thing is, I’ve been able to get him mostly deprogrammed on my own just by pointing out the absurdity of trans shit when I see it, but he keeps getting pulled back in by people like his coworkers who prey on his sympathetic nature. Lately he’s been saying things like I’m a mean person for calling them “men in dresses” and “why shouldn’t trans kids be able to play sports too?” I have the answers, I just don’t think I can communicate them clearly anymore because he’s starting to write me off as just biased and angry.

So, are there any videos you’d recommend for that kind of person? Can’t be anyone too bombastic or right wing, and they definitely can’t say things like tranny etc. Perhaps a mostly-sane detransitioner? I feel like if he saw something like a formerly-trans person decry the lifestyle would go a long way. Just trying to get one single person to think more reasonably about this topic is a job and a half.
Honestly just try Buck Angel. A lot of people aren't too fond of Buck here (Buck Angel is a female to male transitioner for 30 years) but also heavily criticizes gender ideology. There are a lot of points on that youtube channel you could use to get through to a person like that.
 
Archive of youtube channel, used to be involved in the Habitat for Humanity of New Orleans, doing good work. Unfortunately he is now just a loser bum begging on gofundme, writing about communism in the letterboxd comments, and shouting that the government needs to allow trans people to groom children NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.
He called Florida "Ron Desantis and his fascist regime." A lot of these people call themselves socialists because they're too embarrassed to admit they're Democrats. All their talking points, and propaganda, sound no different than the shit you see on MSNBC and the Majority Report.
 
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Just another dangerous consequence of transgenderism. Unnecessarily confusing missing persons reports. Notice her gender is reported as male:

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TIM believes *all* children should be put on puberty blockers:

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And of course he's a fat, autistic pervert. He writes Guro erotica as well:

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Idk where i post this but

It looks like zach callison (steven universes voice actor) is now a TROON
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2 cases of white people not feeling special enough and also nonbinary in humans is bullshit to begin with but Jesus Christ how the hell are you both Nonbinary and a Preferred Gender?
 
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