Are autistic women closer in thinking/behaviour to autistic men or normal women?

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Celso Bin Portiolli

Understanding the world a tism at a time
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I know this will sound stupid, but I've noticed women with the tism, due to also having social development issues, tend to lack a lot of defining female idiosyncrasies, like being indirect, never ending small talk, caring about "normie" issues like fashion, etc.
Just look at the female posters here, if they didn't tell you or went off shitting on moids, you probably would never notice it, when it's normally incredibly obvious when a woman writes something.
 
One thing that you need to consider is that autistic women are often a great deal better at camouflaging their autism than are autistic men. Diagnosing autistic girls as a result is harder than diagnosing autistic men. You're likely honing in on the most extreme cases as a result.

As to your second point, I don't know about you, but I default to assuming every poster is a white American male until explicitly stated otherwise. This is an explicit bias on my own part assuming the "average" KF user, rather than being any actual point or observation that detracts from the femininity of any poster based on anything concrete. The site is actually quite diverse, especially depending on thread or section, and it's not like I'm intimately familiar with the posting history of everybody who chimes in. As many threads are directly "on topic", that would further inhibit your ability to deduce their sex based on merely what they say or how they say it based on very limited data.
 
Autism, like most psychiatric disorders, has a colored history and has seen several very significant revisions to diagnostic criteria (RIP Asperger's). This is usually an indication that a disorder is especially complicated and doesn't have super reliable and universally observable markers which lends itself to a fog of uncertainty when trying to put the population with that disorder in a box. Add in the wide variation between members of the same sex, different cultures and upbringings, and much more, and you have a very complicated equation that can't responsibly be generalized. In other words, there are autistic women who act more in line with what you view as autistic male behavior, and there are autistic women who are very 'normal' and are likely very traditionally successful.

Also, as @Schwarzwald mentioned, women with autism are typically more likely to be better at masking their natural inclination towards restricted/repetitive behaviors and therefore integrate (painfully) better with their environment. Here's a link to that study: Camouflage and masking behavior in adult autism - PubMed
 
It's an extremely complicated question with a lot of different conclusions from various psychologists. It also changes in perception of the external party if they are male or female (meaning how others perceive the autism vastly changes depending on gender).

Autism is also a catch-all term for an extensive array of various symptoms. Ranging from "classic" autism, or what was once called Aspergers, to the more modern approach of neurodiversity and atypical information processing and interpretation.

Traditionally the classic traits of autism are actually traits seen as admirable in women or at least far more excusable (if the person viewing them is a man). Women, however, tend to be far less forgiving in this aspect -- women are far more likely to pick up on the autism of other women than men are capable of picking it up in women. Men tend to have more passive autistic traits in the overall population - excluding those with autism - however women don't. More men are geniuses, but also retards, while women fall around the rough average with very little deviation (statistically) and that vastly impacts how to gauge autism in women.

Whereas a man will be seen as socially awkward for being extensively shy and maladjusted, women will be seen (by men) as almost more ideal and preferable due to their lack of distraction - this is where the "quirky" label comes from.

If a man is fixated on a specific topic, preference to environment or field then they will be viewed as either a nerd or passionate. Women, however, may be viewed as normal as women do tend to have more specific fixations to environment such as an impulsive need to colour coordinate or arrange items in a specific way. There are also far more reasons in positive given to why women may be socially withdrawn compared to men.

My work involves having to assist in the diagnosis of autism - both men and women; and women are by far much, much, muuuuuch harder to diagnose in the classic forms of autism as depending on upbringing it may literally be learnt values of what a women is expected to behave as versus an actual mental affliction.

In my experience, confirmed cases of women with autism that do not have debilitating symptoms tend to be far closer to other women than men are to their counterparts. With that said, there is a caveat: the overall consensus on what is normalised in female behaviour has so vastly changed in comparison to men that finding what the point of typical is can be extremely difficult. The social experiences of men vs. women also makes it much more difficult. Women have a significantly less difficult time in seeking companionship than men and the ability to form bonds is a root method of assessment in autism.

There is a good working theory that "karens" and women that overall can't understand why the world does not operate their way may actually be a form of autism that isn't entirely understood, however because of certain relief of expectations on leading socialisation it may not have been previously seen as a form of autistic symptoming.

Women are also far more physically centred when it comes to perception of them. If a woman has a nice smile, eyes, overall appearance then it's often unlikely others will see them as autistic even though the behaviours are there. For example, if a man has a room full of collectables they will likely be looked down upon for that autistic trait, however if a woman fills her room with plushies and merchandise of a specific franchise the same won't be applied.

One thing does seem to come across though from my experience - autistic women tend to have more male attachments (friends) than female friends.

It's a minefield, and the studies on the differences between men and women in respect to autism is only just emerging as an actual distinguishable set of traits. Autism is mostly based on male traits. Almost none of the methods of diagnosis are specifically aimed at women as, for a long period of time, it was considered something that only a very tiny percentage of women would have compared to men and not seen as possible for the same per capita rate to apply.

To answer your direct question: We don't know. Autism in women is a very, very fresh field and still isn't entirely conclusive.
 
The reason autistic women blend in better with other women is that women don't really feel the need to develop their social skills.
 
As many threads are directly "on topic", that would further inhibit your ability to deduce their sex based on merely what they say or how they say it based on very limited data.
Speak for yourself. I can often tell when a woman is writing. Their fembrained speech/thought patterns are usually very obvious, especially on this site.
 
The Autistic women on YouTube, Tiktok are very different from Autistic women in real life. I have known three girls/women with Asperger's (now called autism level 1) and all of them had the hygiene issues, stimming behaviors and obsessive interest issues that men have.

The social skill impairment was significant. The one girl was practically socially blind, I have no idea how to even put that properly into words but it was as though she had no innate social ability. We were 16 at the time but she had the "personal space" awareness of a toddler and would come up and touch me awkwardly. No she wasn't mentally retarded either. She just had no social awareness. She definitely didn't blend in nor did the other two I knew.
 
Because their autism, they might struggle to fit in society's construct of how a woman should act. Society generally has more standards for women so not following any makes them appear more masculine, however the autistic women I've met still have generally innate female tendencies, e.g. being soft or passive.
 
If the female hivemind theory is correct (all females in the world operate as one cohesive unit,) then autistic women are those who lack the psychic networking organs to function as a node in the hivemind network. They are "detached" and therefore I respect them more.
 
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