Canada is a failed state

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Jetpack Himmler said:
It could be an east/west thing because the francophone presence in the western provinces is almost non-existent--certainly not enough to justify bilingualism as policy. Unless you want a job with the federal government, there is no reason to learn French in British Columbia, Alberta, etc. J.J.'s main contention with Quebec and bilingualism appears to be how it fosters an unearned sense of superiority among the elites in Ottawa (which sits on the Ontario/Quebec border) where it's a requirement. I find it hard to dispute when Trudeau claimed Quebecois supremacy over Albertan in an interview from over a decade ago. He's a two-faced prick who will say one thing in English and then the opposite in French if would benefit him.
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I appreciate the fact you preface by saying it is maybe a east/west thing, but you are simply wrong. I think that is shows how much anglos live in a bubble to say so.

Bilinguism as a policy does not exist only for pratical reason: it is also to protect the historical french communities (e.g. franco-albertan, franco-manitoban) present in all provinces except maybe British columbia before the anglos communities, and repair the damage already done to them by provincial governements who passed force assimilation policies.
If in Alberta and Manitoba the frenchs are a minority, it is because of tentatives of cultural genocide. By the way, as an Acadian, it is why I appreciate the fact that Québec is still part of Canada: it would much harder to fight for blinguism without their demographic weight.

As for J.J. statements, it's called populism. Now I know that, no gonna lie, I have an even worst opinion of him.

Finally, if we think about the same interviews, Trudeau said the best president were Québecois. We share the same distain for Trudeau (He is not even a real french, he is like 1/4 french), but it is clearly not what he said.
 
LeCoq said:
it is also to protect the historical french communities (e.g. franco-albertan, franco-manitoban) present in all provinces except maybe British columbia before the anglos communities, and repair the damage already done to them by provincial governements who passed force assimilation policies.
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Why should anyone in Alberta or Saskatchewan need to learn French to work as a bureaucrat in their own province?

No offence intended, I don’t want the francos genocided or anything, but like every other minority, they need to preserve their own culture.

The bilingualism policy effectively blocks the majority from working for their own governance, outside of Quebec.

The same courtesy is not extended to the Anglos in Quebec.
 
#FF0000 said:
This isn't all that unusual, for fucks sake
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It’s a little unusual. At least it isn’t every year. I have been in my place for twelve years and the latest frost previously was June 3. Last night my garden froze :(

I just want to hang at the lake and host parties for my friends, this makes it a bit challenging.

Obviously the weather is variable. I think it’s snowed here every month except July at various times. Those outliers are pretty rare though.
 
The best part about running water is knowing that Calgarians aren't allowed to, and it’s important to leave the tap running, so that you can remind Calgary that they can’t have anything good in life. They’re allowed to have wildfires and deep freezes, and 8 gallon plastic jugs of liquor, and that's you know pretty much it. Hey, that's some really clean laundry... not that a Calgarian would know! HAHA HAHAHAHAHA!
 
Sneedenhagen Chew said:
The best part about running water is knowing that Calgarians aren't allowed to, and it’s important to leave the tap running, so that you can remind Calgary that they can’t have anything good in life. They’re allowed to have wildfires and deep freezes, and 8 gallon plastic jugs of liquor, and that's you know pretty much it. Hey, that's some really clean laundry... not that a Calgarian would know! HAHA HAHAHAHAHA!
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I mean we still have water, just that eventually the water will run out. probably during Stampede. i hope they have enough chemical toilets.
 
Flan Handler said:
Why should anyone in Alberta or Saskatchewan need to learn French to work as a bureaucrat in their own province?

No offence intended, I don’t want the francos genocided or anything, but like every other minority, they need to preserve their own culture.

The bilingualism policy effectively blocks the majority from working for their own governance, outside of Quebec.

The same courtesy is not extended to the Anglos in Quebec.
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anglo policy in canada has been to try to ruthlessly suppress quebec nationalism as much as possible. part of that is defanging their linguistic nationalism by making french an "official language" for the entire country. the other part of that was developing a policy of multi-culturalism to dilute their numbers and reduce them to just another constituency rather than the biggest thorn in the side of the anglophone canadians.

fun fact: canadian multiculturalism was developed by nazi ukrainian refugees
 
kim foxx said:
anglo policy in canada has been to try to ruthlessly suppress quebec nationalism as much as possible. part of that is defanging their linguistic nationalism by making french an "official language" for the entire country. the other part of that was developing a policy of multi-culturalism to dilute their numbers and reduce them to just another constituency rather than the biggest thorn in the side of the anglophone canadians.

fun fact: canadian multiculturalism was developed by nazi ukrainian refugees
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Is (was?) this Anglo policy or the gay Liberal Party policy?
 
kim foxx said:
anglo policy in canada has been to try to ruthlessly suppress quebec nationalism as much as possible. part of that is defanging their linguistic nationalism by making french an "official language" for the entire country. the other part of that was developing a policy of multi-culturalism to dilute their numbers and reduce them to just another constituency rather than the biggest thorn in the side of the anglophone canadians.

fun fact: canadian multiculturalism was developed by nazi ukrainian refugees
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In modern times, Western Canada is a lot more supportive of Quebec separatism.

Bon voyage, best of luck.
 
Flan Handler said:
Why should anyone in Alberta or Saskatchewan need to learn French to work as a bureaucrat in their own province?

No offence intended, I don’t want the francos genocided or anything, but like every other minority, they need to preserve their own culture.

The bilingualism policy effectively blocks the majority from working for their own governance, outside of Quebec.

The same courtesy is not extended to the Anglos in Quebec.
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Firstly, a rights-based system serves to protect minorities. As an exemple, freedom of speech serves technically to protect maginalized speech. Nobody want a tyranny of the masses. The real question is "should it be a right?" For me, it is a about blood and soil: so, it should be a right. I would be agree the extent the same courtesy to first nations.

Secondly, Alberta is province of also franco-albertans, but they are forced to learn english.

Thridly, how bilingualism block the majority to work for their own governance? Just learn french. English is already 40 % french words. Most melanined gentlemmen in Africa speak three languages without any education. Are anglos stupidier and lazier than africans? Seriously, I find it hard to excuse anglos when even in Quebec most of them are unilingual. Also, New-Brunswick is like 40 % french for your information.

Speaking of, fourthly, yes, the same courtesy is in fact extended in Québec even if they don't need any protection. Anglos in Québec have some of the best universities in the world, they overly represented in the elits and mist of them live their entire life without saying a word in french. They are welcomed by the infamous in Quebec's politics "Bonjour-Hi." Like in Alberta, British Columbia, and Manitoba, they have their own schools and their own educations system.
 
LeCoq said:
Secondly, Alberta is province of also franco-albertans, but they are forced to learn english.
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There's like 10 Franco-Albertans, they can fuck off and learn English.

If its Ontarois, or people from Acadia, I get it because theres much more sizable communities, especially in the north of Ontario- but no, franco-albertans basically do not exist.
LeCoq said:
Most melanined gentlemmen in Africa speak three languages without any education. Are anglos stupidier and lazier than africans?
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Learn not to lose a war if you want to maintain your language. Guess who won the plains of Abraham? England. Guess who won WW2? Not the French. Fuck off. We don't have to learn another language, not for 10 entitled Frenchmen hobbling in some cabin in the middle of buckfuck nowhere in Alberta.
LeCoq said:
seriously, I find it hard to excuse anglos when even in Quebec most of them are unilingual.
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If you're in Quebec you should probably learn some French, but Canada is a part of the British empire. You have to deal with us, we tolerate you otherwise. Don't like it? Leave. Most of the other provinces would be happy with Quebec gone, because itd mean less Western oil taxes getting drained to the province's welfare programs.
LeCoq said:
they overly represented in the elits and mist of them live their entire life without saying a word in french.
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Good.
LeCoq said:
For me, it is a about blood and soil: so, it should be a right. I would be agree the extent the same courtesy to first nations.
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I wouldn't extend it to first nations. Blood and soil are only so deep. Blood and steel, winning wars, politics, what the majority of the population wants, that is what dictates language. I don't believe its a right of Quebecois to force a nation to learn French for 200 years afterwards, for the sake of a handful of Frenchmen who might be in some obscure Saskatchewan community- the same way I wouldn't push the fed to speak Ojibwe of all things.

So I agree with you, we should extend French to same courtesy we extend the first nations in most of Canada-

None.
LeCoq said:
Just learn french. English is already 40 % french words.
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Good, that means the French can learn English then if theyre already halfway to knowing the language.

Flan Handler said:
No offence intended, I don’t want the francos genocided or anything, but like every other minority, they need to preserve their own culture.
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This. You've got Quebec. Maybe in provinces like Acadia or northern Ontario theres a need, but politely, no. Other provinces should not need French.
 
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I believe that Quebequers, Franco-Ontarians, and Acadians should be able to move anywhere in Canada and have access to basic government functions in French via some means. If that just means some translated forms or keeping someone on staff that can reach out via video call that's not a big ask.
 
I personally don't have much sympathy for Quebec. People don't seem to realize Quebec not being as 'diversified' as the rest of Canada has nothing to do with language or other policies. Franco-Quebeckers in the modern age are quite literally menchildren/womenchildren, that in itself is pretty obvious with how they act hyper-emotional like battered wives everywhere they go, whether its IRL or on the internet. As for the reasons, they love acting uppity and smug over "muh nationalism" even when, as others have pointed out, their province is the most welfare-dependent of all of Canada.
 
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