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Liz Fong-Jones / 方禮真 / Elliot William Fong / @lizthegrey / Honeycomb.io Field CTO - 'Consent accident' enjoyer, ex-Google employee, nepotistic sex pest, Robert Z'Dar look-alike who wants authority over the Internet
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Speaking of which...
Here's Oxford professor Sandra Wachter, posting on LinkedIn about her paper relevant to this topic. Wachter seems to believe that LLM providers should be doing more to ensure that AI is "telling the truth" and not defaming anyone, or else the providers might face some legal liability.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4771884 [Archive]
And here's Liz Fong-Jones in the replies of the post above.
https://archive.is/MKg59
Liz Fong-Jones said:
Liz's Cambridge presentation has been discussed before in this thread, but for anyone who missed it:
https://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2023/11/09/how-hate-sites-evade-the-censor/
On Tuesday we had a seminar from Liz Fong-Jones entitled “Reverse engineering hate” about how she, and a dozen colleagues, have been working to take down a hate speech forum called Kiwi Farms. We already published a measurement study of their campaign, which forced the site offline repeatedly in 2022. As a result of that paper, Liz contacted us and this week she told us the inside story.
The forum in question specialises in personal attacks, and many of their targets are transgender. Their tactics include doxxing their victims, trawling their online presence for material that is incriminating or can be misrepresented as such, putting doctored photos online, and making malicious complaints to victims’ employers and landlords. They describe this as “milking people for laughs”. After a transgender activist in Canada was swatted, about a dozen volunteers got together to try to take the site down. They did this by complaining to the site’s service providers and by civil litigation.
This case study is perhaps useful for the UK, where the recent Online Safety Bill empowers Ofcom to do just this – to use injunctions in the civil courts to take down unpleasant websites.
The Kiwi Farms operator has for many months resisted the activists by buying the services required to keep his website up, including his data centre floor space, his transit, his AS, his DNS service and his DDoS protection, through a multitude of changing shell companies. The current takedown mechanisms require a complainant to first contact the site operator; he publishes complaints, so his followers can heap abuse on them. The takedown crew then has to work up a chain of suppliers. Their processes are usually designed to stall complainants, so that getting through to a Tier 1 and getting them to block a link takes weeks rather than days. And this assumes that the takedown crew includes experienced sysadmins who can talk the language of the service providers, to whose technical people they often have direct access; without that, it would take months rather than weeks. The net effect is that it took a dozen volunteers thousands of hours over six months from October 22 to April 23 to get all the Tier 1s to drop KF, and over $100,000 in legal costs. If the bureaucrats at Ofcom are going to do this work for a living, without the skills and access of Liz and her team, it could be harder work than they think.
Liz’s seminar slides are here.
On Tuesday we had a seminar from Liz Fong-Jones entitled “Reverse engineering hate” about how she, and a dozen colleagues, have been working to take down a hate speech forum called Kiwi Farms. We already published a measurement study of their campaign, which forced the site offline repeatedly in 2022. As a result of that paper, Liz contacted us and this week she told us the inside story.
The forum in question specialises in personal attacks, and many of their targets are transgender. Their tactics include doxxing their victims, trawling their online presence for material that is incriminating or can be misrepresented as such, putting doctored photos online, and making malicious complaints to victims’ employers and landlords. They describe this as “milking people for laughs”. After a transgender activist in Canada was swatted, about a dozen volunteers got together to try to take the site down. They did this by complaining to the site’s service providers and by civil litigation.
This case study is perhaps useful for the UK, where the recent Online Safety Bill empowers Ofcom to do just this – to use injunctions in the civil courts to take down unpleasant websites.
The Kiwi Farms operator has for many months resisted the activists by buying the services required to keep his website up, including his data centre floor space, his transit, his AS, his DNS service and his DDoS protection, through a multitude of changing shell companies. The current takedown mechanisms require a complainant to first contact the site operator; he publishes complaints, so his followers can heap abuse on them. The takedown crew then has to work up a chain of suppliers. Their processes are usually designed to stall complainants, so that getting through to a Tier 1 and getting them to block a link takes weeks rather than days. And this assumes that the takedown crew includes experienced sysadmins who can talk the language of the service providers, to whose technical people they often have direct access; without that, it would take months rather than weeks. The net effect is that it took a dozen volunteers thousands of hours over six months from October 22 to April 23 to get all the Tier 1s to drop KF, and over $100,000 in legal costs. If the bureaucrats at Ofcom are going to do this work for a living, without the skills and access of Liz and her team, it could be harder work than they think.
Liz’s seminar slides are here.
Anyway, I think it's important to point out that Liz Fong-Jones is currently trying to worm his way into the AI censorship debates. He clearly wants to make it illegal for AIs to say anything about his "consent accident" and other instances of terrible behavior.
Totally unrelated, but I thought it was funny:
Liz liked to use a nerdy, made-up language called Lojban when naming his MMO characters [1] [2].
He had two World of Warcraft characters named Lisri and Listigni, which respectively mean "story" and "hero of the story" in Lojban. He also had a Rift character named Selylisri, which means "subject of the story".
You can Ctrl+F the words here: https://www.lojban.org/publications/draft-dictionary/NORALUJV.txt
It really reminded me of Liz's former right-hand man, Katherine Lorelei, who similarly liked to declare himself a HERO.
Hopefully Kat returns someday...
He's the hero we need, but not the one we deserve (...or however that goes).
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Remember, telling the truth about a tranny is hate speech and disinformation. Especially if that tranny is Liz Fong-Jones, CTO of honeycomb.io, consent accident enjoyer, and broken branch.
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It is never not eerie yet funny imagining reactions to LFJ asking random people to "have a talk"
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1) Correlation does not equal causation.Liz Fong Jones said:
2) Julie Terryberry was cisgender. Chloe Sagal was transgender. David Ginder seems to have considered himself cisgender and non-binary at different times. Congratulations Liz, you are as good at basic facts as Ben Collins of The Onion.
3) What else happened in those three people's lives, Liz? What about Julie's abusive older boyfriend? What about the people who threw Chloe Sagal out on the street? What about Japan's mental health care or lack thereof and Mr/Mx Ginder's self-imposed isolation?
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Listened to another old (2022) podcast episode with Liz Fong-Jones. This one had an interesting/provocative title... but ended up being pretty boring, unfortunately. Lot of "diversity" stuff, tech babble about Honeycomb's business, and ethical complaints about big tech companies.
(I clipped the section about KF - you can find it towards the bottom of this post.)
https://poddtoppen.se/podcast/16202...c4pg/fighting-fascists-in-tech-liz-fong-jones
Just a few bits I want to highlight:
Here's the Kiwi Farms / Cloudflare segment:
I had to look up the interviewer after he said he was trans, because he just sounds like a regular British man to me. Here he is:
(I clipped the section about KF - you can find it towards the bottom of this post.)
https://poddtoppen.se/podcast/16202...c4pg/fighting-fascists-in-tech-liz-fong-jones
Fighting Fascists in Tech - Liz Fong Jones
Just a few bits I want to highlight:
- 13:06 - Liz: "Honeycomb has been a magnet for talent."
- 13:35 - He estimates that 10% of Honeycomb employees are trans, 20-30% are queer, and 20-30% are people of color. Also says that they struggled with racial diversity early on, until the company "invested in fixing" this problem.
- 26:03 - After Liz and the interviewer whine about big tech companies being unethical and needing to do better, Liz suggests that he just needs "a seat at the table" to help fix it.
- He's said this in other interviews too, and I think it's a common troon infiltration thing. Keep complaining until you get some representation (because the execs are tired of all the bad press and infinite complaints), and then use that as a wedge / foot-in-the-door to eventually win more concessions, get more of your troon buddies hired, etc. This is how troons infest & ruin everything in tech.
- 27:44 - Kiwi Farmsshout-out. The interviewer thinks that services shouldn't "host hate".
- 29:18 - Liz talks about how he's been going after Cloudflare and other providers for six years now (which would be since 2016 considering this podcast ep is from 2022).
- 31:56 - The British interviewer seethes a bit about how Section 230 "absolves accountability or responsibility". Liz agrees that this is a big problem.
- 34:35 - Liz complains about how Cloudflare "shields" and "subsidizes hate" by servicing websites like the Kiwi Farms.
- 36:01 - Liz is such a liar, lol. He tries to pretend that his primary concern with Cloudflare is their caching service. As if the Kiwi Farms and other "hate operations" would be too expensive to operate at scale without Cloudflare caches. He knows this is bullshit, but he's using this as a fig-leaf to cover for the real thing he takes issue with: Cloudflare's DDoS protection.
- 35:13 - Liz says "public pressure and awareness" finally forced Cloudflare to do something. Liz blames KF for swattings and even "restarting the Troubles in Belfast".
- That second bit is a reference to the weird Irish guy who took a picture outside Keffals' apartment, but he was a Foodist - not a Kiwi. Liz just likes blaming everything on KF without any real evidence.
- 36:30 - The interviewer brings up DDoS protection. Liz disavows DDoSing as vigilantism and denies doing it himself, but then he says: "That being said... yes, it is true that if you make enemies over a decade long span, some of those people will feel tempted to retaliate. Right? That is something that is kind of your own fault if you make those enemies. That's what I'm gonna say."
- 37:41 - In response to Cloudflare's argument that they stop DDoS attacks against everyone, Liz makes a weird comparison to a mob of people beating up a victim. He seems to suggest that Cloudflare shouldn't "disarm" the victim (presumably a troon) and prevent them from striking back against the mob (presumably the Kiwi Farms). This sounds like Liz's convoluted way of admitting that he or his fellow troons are DDoSing the Farms, but Cloudflare and other DDoS protection providers should deliberately choose not to stop it. For the sake of leveling the playing field, I guess.
- 38:25 - The interviewer agrees, saying "It's not a bad thing to punch a Nazi, at the end of the day."
- 40:33 - Liz and the interviewer seethe about cryptocurrencies enabling people to support websites like the Kiwi Farms.
- Liz: "Cryptocurrency donations come in, Hate comes out. Hate results in more Crypto donations. That's the flywheel. And if you slow it down, it loses momentum. It stops being able to function."
- Liz: "My job: Throw as much sand into the gears as I can."
- 55:29 - Liz and the interviewer briefly mention the importance of Codes of Conduct.
- 56:09 - Liz shills for Trans Lifeline, because "We're currently in the middle of trans people being under siege."
- I'm surprised. I thought he mostly stopped supporting TLL after the fraud was definitively proven, but I guess not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- Liz also recommends supporting Mermaids and any other trans organization.
Here's the Kiwi Farms / Cloudflare segment:
I had to look up the interviewer after he said he was trans, because he just sounds like a regular British man to me. Here he is:
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I think Aerin booth is a pedophile. he certainly looks the part and hang out with trannies like dong gone. Keep your kids away
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https://web.archive.org/web/20231111085859/https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/fongjones.pdf
Proud endorsement of DDOS attacks from consent accident enjoyer Liz Fong Jones.
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"Headcrash" is the dude that invented the phrase Consent Accident that Elliot is so fond of.
DeVaul later tried to walk it back and admitted he came up with the term to minimize Date Rape and said he regretted ever coming up with the term.
Interesting how the guy who invented it disavowed it but Elliot decided it was the perfect term to minimize his raping.
Elliot "Liz" Fong Jones is a man leading a double life.
Outside his tech interests, his entire existence is focused on all kinds of deviant sexual behavior and perversion and being a narcissist, Elliot doesn't understand or care about the concept of consent.
That's why he wants us gone.
We're assembling a comprehensive record of all this man's suspect and sometimes illegal activities, and he's a man with a lot of skeletons in his closet, skeletons he doesn't want uncovering more than we already have.
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Sit and contemplate your own words, Liz. Shit-talking is free, which is why you're allowed to call everybody on the Farms a nazi. DDoSing and "consent accidents" are not.Liz Fong Jones said:
On this day 5th June 2024, Liz (Zhen) Fong-Jones, Field CTO of Honeycomb.io, contributed a Wikipedia post on how the acronym "LGBTP" should be redirected to the article "conspiracy theory". What a nice and meaningful way to spend your life (and investor money).
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Odd, since googling 2SLGBTQIAP+ brings up a bunch of (mostly Canadian) non-conspiratorial organizations, like the University of Wyoming's 2SLGBTQIAP+ Employee Network (archive), Eastern Sierra Pride (archive), the University of Regina's student housing department (archive), the Canadian Red Cross (archive), etc.
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Ironic that he pushes the idea that LGBT grooming is just a conspiracy theory, when he was groomed himself.
I guess he's still going with the cope that the nice man was just helping him discover his authentic self.
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I archived that discussion on Archive.today and GhostArchive.
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"Yeah I'm into BDSM: blocking, dilating, seething and malding."
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I wonder what kind of mental gymnastics he'll do when it won't be a conspiracy theory anymore?
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