💰 Grifter "Mad at the Internet" - a/k/a My Psychotherapy Sessions

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I'm a Silly said:
I wonder how many posts that were merely disagreeing were being reacted to with a feeling of "upsetti spaghetti" because I saw a range of reasonable arguments, anecdotes, and even partial agreement among the disagree-ers.
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Yeah it sparked a lot of debate on both sides and I get why people would be upset, I was annoyed myself - and I still think Josh's statements are very silly, I made a post after the last stream explaining why I think that is. Emotions are going to be high when talking about a subject that affects people's lives so intimately but is treated so flippantly by someone who should be smart enough to know "Why don't you just swim bro?" is absurd advice to people who are drowning or have loved ones drowning/have drowned just because he was able to swim to shore - especially when the reaction to saying you can't swim, or the storm is too strong, is "Well, just hurry up and drown then".

And there were definitely people bringing up good counter-points who were dismissed as just being upset, whether or not they actually were or were just disagreeing. Lots of try-hard edgy people and others using it to get a rise out of people. But there were also people who were long-term fans deciding this was a bridge too far, some determined that they'll change Josh's mind - it was more to say to them you won't change his mind, you don't need to anyway, and if it is so important you try to then maybe re-examine why you feel that way.

Basiclally I just want to stop the countless "Please read this study, I can't just X cos my depression is Y, how dare you my father killed himself, etc" superchats and comments before they happen, the whole debate is already tired and it's only been 2 streams.
 
Big Mommy said:
Dear people still upsetti spaghetti about the mental health stuff,

Null ain't your daddy and you don't have to agree with him 100% on everything. If it's that upsetting, first I'd advise you take a good long look at yourself and figure out why someone having an opinion you don't agree with is that much of a sticking point. If he's really that wrong then congrats, you know better than him on this topic. If you still like him and the stuff he does for everyone despite a disagreement, be thankful he found a method that worked for him. If it's that much of a deal-breaker, you don't have to watch MATI - but, again, why is a minor disagreement such a big issue for you? You can use Kiwi Farms and watch MATI without being lockstep with everything Null thinks - you can even watch the show and use the site while despising him (a good few already do). Even if his particular methodology doesn't apply to you or people you know with depression, the fact his way of dealing with depression has helped him stay a Chipper Charles, despite all the bullshit he's been through, which means there has to be something to it that works for some people, even if it doesn't help you or differs from your understanding/belief on the subject.

In conclusion, Sneed.
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You should probably take your own advice. They just voiced that opinion, but you're here fucking seething, writing autistic novella's over people giving their opinions.
 
Heathen_76 said:
You should probably take your own advice. They just voiced that opinion, but you're here fucking seething, writing autistic novella's over people giving their opinions.
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You're free to disregard my posts. I'm not seething in the slightest, I'm commenting on the pattern I'm seeing in the comments on the archive and discussion in the chat over the last two streams. I just hope we can move on without countless superchats and comments about the subject. If two paragraphs are too much for you to read, just mark the post autistic and move on.
 
Still listen to Jersh's therapy sessions every week while I'm slaving away in the wage cage, and it makes the grind a little bit easier, I don't agree with him on everything, but on the whole he's pretty grounded. I would say that one of the best ways to shake yourself out of a depressive mindlock is to find something that you're passionate about, a dragon to slay, and throw yourself at it wholeheartedly. Also diet, exercise, drop vices, limit the doom scrolling, etc. The brain/mind connection is a two way street, and there are definitely steps that you can take that make peeling yourself out of bed in the morning much easier.

But who gives a shit about all that. Hearing all this shit about signal breaks my heart; Now I have to engage in another month long autistic search for a secure messaging app. Does @CrunkLord420 have a take on this? I've always liked Session but apparently now it's moving to the arbitrum network, and I don't know much about that yet.
 
Not sure if this is the right place to comment on this, but since it's something I saw via Null on X, and I haven't seen it brought up in the thread already, I'll assume I can put it here.

I didn't watch the video and see what the guy is saying, I don't particularly care. What made me really laugh was the community note attached.
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"Anime is not pedophilic as the subjects are fictional; . . . "

Now, perhaps my english isn't great, so forgive me, but this statement seems to imply not that creepy and arguably pedophilic recurring elements don't happen in anime, but rather that those creepy recurring elements do exist, but aren't weird because it's fictional. If someone says "Y is weird and suspect" and your retort is "well it's technically not real, so you technically can't call me a pedophile", I don't think you're doing a very good job convincing people that you're not a creep lmao.

Maybe it could be phrased a bit better so it's not so easy for someone to be willfully ignorant of the point you're trying to make, then throw it back at you.
 
This is COMPLETELY anecdotal and I have no evidence to back this up whatsoever, but I’ve found that people who make it a point to complain about depression also tend to do things like excessively use drugs or veg out and play video games/ watch tiktok for hours a day. Could it be that feeling rotten all the is a result of mind-numbing behavior and a total lack of any productive activity?
 
Cane Skretteburg said:
This is COMPLETELY anecdotal and I have no evidence to back this up whatsoever, but I’ve found that people who make it a point to complain about depression also tend to do things like excessively use drugs or veg out and play video games/ watch tiktok for hours a day. Could it be that feeling rotten all the is a result of mind-numbing behavior and a total lack of any productive activity?
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>way back then: video games cause violence!
>recently: video games cause sexist & misogynistic toxic male behavior!
>now: video games cause depression!
leave video games alone man
 
Pish posh, poppycock, it's not the electrical videography machines it's those damnable novels.

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Excessive escapism is a chicken-egg situation, people probably fall into it to escape depression but failing to face your problems can also make those problems worse. The further you go back in history the harder it was for people to find those kinds of readily-available activities but you'd still have people lost in daydreams, joining cults, excessively gossiping, even heading to the river to fish over whatever else they should be doing in order to deal with depression - arguably healthier in some regards but still mostly as "unproductive".

Also while I'm here KK Archives started to upload again, make sure to follow them as another MATi archive

 
This might sound absurd, coming from someone as disagreeable as me, but I think the depression issue requires the nuanced take that it isn't your fault if you're depressed but you can still change it. Josh doesn't really thread that needle when he talks about it. It's like Nick badmouthing his judge to her face then being surprised it took her a day to 'see reason'.

And video games definitely don't cause depression because hobbies are good.
 
Big Mommy said:
The further you go back in history the harder it was for people to find those kinds of readily-available activities but you'd still have people lost in daydreams, joining cults, excessively gossiping, even heading to the river to fish over whatever else they should be doing in order to deal with depression - arguably healthier in some regards but still mostly as "unproductive".
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Finding activities to occupy your free time ≠ coping with depression. If anything, I stopped feeling “depressed” when I began to occupy my spare time with learning new skills or improving my quality of life. You are 100% right that it’s hard to determine whether feeling shitty comes before mind-numbing behavior or vice versa, but at the end of the day it is a negative-feedback loop that needs to be broken. It’s much easier to change the way you act than to change the way you feel.
 
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The President of Nintendo said:
From Independant.co.uk:

A white Canadian writer who travelled the US in blackface and published what he has described as “the most important book on American race relations that has ever been written” has been met with swift backlash.
“Last summer, I disguised myself as a Black man and traveled throughout the United States to document how racism persists in American society,” journalist Sam Forster, who has written for The National Post and The Spectator, posted on X on Tuesday.
He also shared a link to his self-published book, Seven Shoulders. A blurb for the book on Amazon called it “the most important book on American race relations that has ever been written.”
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He argued people should read the book before criticizing it, and declined to share a photo of the disguise he used during the writing process.

“As I mention in the book, the point of this project is to foster serious, productive dialogue,” he said. “If people are looking for a minstrel show, they should look somewhere else.”
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No! I want to see YOUR minstrel show!
 
Bag of Bones said:
Not sure if this is the right place to comment on this, but since it's something I saw via Null on X, and I haven't seen it brought up in the thread already, I'll assume I can put it here.

I didn't watch the video and see what the guy is saying, I don't particularly care. What made me really laugh was the community note attached.
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"Anime is not pedophilic as the subjects are fictional; . . . "

Now, perhaps my english isn't great, so forgive me, but this statement seems to imply not that creepy and arguably pedophilic recurring elements don't happen in anime, but rather that those creepy recurring elements do exist, but aren't weird because it's fictional. If someone says "Y is weird and suspect" and your retort is "well it's technically not real, so you technically can't call me a pedophile", I don't think you're doing a very good job convincing people that you're not a creep lmao.

Maybe it could be phrased a bit better so it's not so easy for someone to be willfully ignorant of the point you're trying to make, then throw it back at you.
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Yeah the argument is really weird. If they wanted to argue that “anime is pedophillic” is an inaccurate generalization that would be fine (although incredibly autistic to use for a simple generalization that was likely not 100% serious), but instead they use the bizarre argument that something can’t be pedophillic if it is fictional, which is just retarded nonsense.
 
This Post Is Satire said:
Video games don't cause depression but isolation definitely does.
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Fair point. I gave up video games twice in my life. Once because I had a lot of friends I'd rather spend time with. And another because I thought the games were making me 'lazy and depressed'. The former was good and the latter almost led to me developing worse hobbies.

Also, if you like video games, you sort of crave challenges so you often replace it with things like politics so you can get mad about stuff and fight against it.
 
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