An example of troon shit infecting media I actually enjoyed.

[holyhandgrenade]

I was reading the Mage Errant series by John Bierce on Kindle unlimited because it's fairly well written and I like the genre. Other than the 6th book being boring as shit it was fairly decent, even though it's obvious the author intends to continue the series at some point. If you've never heard of the series before it's about a magical world where people are born with "affinities" where they are like attuned to something it can be really specific like a specific type of plant or it can be more broad like dirt in general. There is basically no distinction between men and women as far as rank and power go in the series ecause anyone can become as powerful as anyone else based on their innate affinities (you can have more than one). Several of the female characters are as powerful as any of and the big bad dragon that the MC's spend most of the last book fighting is a female. There was some LGBT+ stuff in the main series but whatever it was a coming of age story and the romance didn't play a huge part in the story so it was easily overlooked. The MC is also pretty clearly autistic but they never actually come out and say it.
Then after the main storyline is complete the author releases a book of short stories and one of the stories features a pooner that is smarter than anyone around and also fooling everyone that they have magic when they don't. Basically this pooner breaks the magic system and makes almost no sense in the framework of the world itself because women are equally respected. The saddest part is that the pooner story actually had an interesting premise that hadn't been introduced before sometimes people don't know what their affinity is and there are like traveling experts that go around with rare materials (metals, herbs, etc) to test people with unknown affinities, which could have been a really neat concept, but nope. It's just pandering and I can't respect the author anymore. Maybe I am overreacting, but I won't be checking out any further additions to the series, or this author's other work.

 

[DumbDude43]

i had never heard of the series so i googled the name, and it says
>young adult
>coming of age

sad to say, but it's not surprising that works in this genre end up being contaminated by some variety of faggotry. you'd probably have to look at stuff that was published pre 2010 if you want to find YA fiction that isn't tainted in some way, cause in the modern era the people who are into this genre (both the readers and the writers) are almost all fanatic progressives.

 

[Chongqing]

I thought it was alright when the tall troon porn star fucked Ed Helms in the ass in The Hangover 2.

That's about it, though. And that was a long time ago.

 

[holyhandgrenade]

i had never heard of the series so i googled the name, and it says
>young adult
>coming of age

sad to say, but it's not surprising that works in this genre end up being contaminated by some variety of faggotry. you'd probably have to look at stuff that was published pre 2010 if you want to find YA fiction that isn't tainted in some way, cause in the modern era the people who are into this genre (both the readers and the writers) are almost all fanatic progressives.

I do generally try to stick with older works in the genre but I like to try new stuff sometimes. Yeah YA is shit in general, but a lot adult fantasy is too lit rpg, trying too hard to copy GOT, or trying too hard to be lol so quirky, or Brandon Sanderson who suffers fromt he same problem that Stpehen King does he can't write endings, especially in the self published realm. I just wanna read progression fantasy, where people just fight shit, and the interpersonal stuff is almost irrelevant.

 

[Grub]

All that sounds super gay.

I do generally try to stick with older works in the genre but I like to try new stuff sometimes.

Fantasy books started going to shit after TOR pretty much took over publishing most fantasy. That's when the sprawling endless series like the wheel of time and Terry goodkind's rape filled wheel of time ripoff and that magic of recluce shit started taking over.

I just wanna read progression fantasy, where people just fight shit, and the interpersonal stuff is almost irrelevant.

Have you read the original Conan stories? The Robert E. Howard ones, not the ones written by other authors, it's pretty much just non-stop killing and adventuring. You also might like some of Michael Moorcock's eternal champion books. The Corum, Hawkmoon and Elric series are all pretty much just fighting and adventuring. Hawkmoon and Corum do have women they love they want to save, but the relationships themselves are barely a part of the story. For the most part, they're just straight up fighting and adventuring with some weird interdimensional shit thrown in.

 

[holyhandgrenade]

Terry goodkind's rape filled wheel of time ripoff

When I was a teenager that series was nowhere near completed and I was totally into it. Probably should have seen the weirdo sex vibes earlier.

Have you read the original Conan stories? The Robert E. Howard ones, not the ones written by other authors, it's pretty much just non-stop killing and adventuring. You also might like some of Michael Moorcock's eternal champion books. The Corum, Hawkmoon and Elric series are all pretty much just fighting and adventuring. Hawkmoon and Corum do have women they love they want to save, but the relationships themselves are barely a part of the story. For the most part, they're just straight up fighting and adventuring with some weird interdimensional shit thrown in.

I haven't read those but thank you for the suggestions. What do you think about the Sword Dancer chronicles/saga? It got real weird there at the end but it was at least interesting.

 

[CognitiveDeficiency]

Have you read the original Conan stories? The Robert E. Howard ones, not the ones written by other authors, it's pretty much just non-stop killing and adventuring. You also might like some of Michael Moorcock's eternal champion books. The Corum, Hawkmoon and Elric series are all pretty much just fighting and adventuring. Hawkmoon and Corum do have women they love they want to save, but the relationships themselves are barely a part of the story. For the most part, they're just straight up fighting and adventuring with some weird interdimensional shit thrown in.

Those old pulp stories are amazing. They are basically western shonen anime. Stuff like the Barsoom novels, the Flashman papers, and the Doc Savage stories are just tickle my autism in a way nothing else can and are genuinely enjoyable reads.

 

[Grub]

When I was a teenager that series was nowhere near completed and I was totally into it. Probably should have seen the weirdo sex vibes earlier.

I started it after the second or third book came out. Just after I finished whatever the last book The wheel of time was up to by that point. I got like 3 books in and I couldn't handle it any more. I've pretty much ended up dropping all of those big series like that I've started. They all drag on way too much. The Malazan Book of the Fallen series was another one like that. You might actually like those. As far as I remember, it was mostly fighting. That one I stopped at like book 5 or something.

What do you think about the Sword Dancer chronicles/saga? It got real weird there at the end but it was at least interesting.

I've never read them. I read Shapechangers from the Cheysuli series and I wasn't a big fan so I haven't read any of her other books. My sister enjoys the Cheysuli books but I'm not sure if she's read that series or not either.

 

[holyhandgrenade]

They are basically western shonen anime

One of my favorite modern series that finished about a year ago is Cradle by Will Wight. It's Dragon Ball Z in book form and I can't get enough of it. He's done two or three kickstarters that have each earned over a million dollars, although his most recent one (in a vain attempt to turn his book series into an actual anime) underperformed.

I got like 3 books in and I couldn't handle it any more.

You read pretty much the best part of the series then so no big loss. The sixth one is good if you are an angsty teenager but otherwise the quality drops drastically.
Did you read The Tales of Alvin Maker series by Card?

 

[Grub]

Did you read The Tales of Alvin Maker series by Card?

I've read Seventh Son, I remember enjoying it, the setting was pretty cool. But I could never find the second book in any of the book stores I went to and it's been long enough I'd have to start from the beginning again.

The Riverworld series by Philip José Farmer was one I really enjoyed. It's sort of more fantasy with a bit of sci-fi and not quite as action packed as other ones I've mentioned but the concept's pretty cool. I remember the ending being a bit of a let down after the rest of the books but apart from that they were good.

I've read a lot of fantasy books it's hard to remember them all. There's a few shorter series I remember reading when I was younger that were more just straight up fantasy type books. Dave Duncan's Handful of Men series, which is actually a sequel to another series I've never read, was pretty good fairly standard fantasy adventure stuff.

I don't really like R.A. Salvatore very much but I enjoyed the Spearwielder's Tale series and I liked the Elenium series by David Eddings but I haven't read any of his other books.

 

[holyhandgrenade]

I've read Seventh Son, I remember enjoying it, the setting was pretty cool. But I could never find the second book in any of the book stores I went to and it's been long enough I'd have to start from the beginning again.

If you enjoy short stories at all Card's short story collections are worth a read, especially The Changed Man. The Alvin maker series is very YA, and by this point dated, so not really a good recommend,
hmm I haven't read any of the other ones you mentioned but I am loving the suggestions in this thread.
I was a big fan of the Halo book The Flood by William Dietz the first three or four books in that series were good tbh
I can also recommend Chase the Morning by Michael Rohan
Or Chronicles of the King's Tramp by Tom De Haven (at least the first one)
I'm also a faggot who loved (stlll loves) A Separate Peace, and hated (still hate) The Catcher in the Rye.

 

[Named User]

It upset me when Mallory mentioned that Archer fucked lots of ladyboys in college. That line isn’t canon to me, though I do think promiscuous men 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time are bedding more than just women.

 

[SneedSeer]

The only good troon representation I enjoy is Alice from Superjail.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

Jame Gumb is the only good, true, and accurate troon portayal in media.

 

[Flabba Wabba Jabba]

i had never heard of the series so i googled the name, and it says
>young adult
>coming of age

sad to say, but it's not surprising that works in this genre end up being contaminated by some variety of faggotry. you'd probably have to look at stuff that was published pre 2010 if you want to find YA fiction that isn't tainted in some way, cause in the modern era the people who are into this genre (both the readers and the writers) are almost all fanatic progressives.

I am actually so grateful that series like Gone, Skulduggery Pleasant, Hunger Games, Divergent and Hatchet were my choice of YA fiction growing up.

 

[Grub]

If you enjoy short stories at all Card's short story collections are worth a read, especially The Changed Man.

I've read the changed man. It was kind of weird but I enjoyed it.

I was a big fan of the Halo book The Flood by William Dietz the first three or four books in that series were good tbh

I've always kind of avoided licensed property books. There's so many of them and so many of them are trash I never know which ones to actually check out.

I can also recommend Chase the Morning by Michael Rohan
Or Chronicles of the King's Tramp by Tom De Haven (at least the first one)

I'll check them out.

 

[Legacy_Lolcow_Hunter]

Although this little show may be long gone, when it comes to My Life as a Teenage, it faces the infection when it comes to the main character XJ-9 or Jenny where for some reason folks want to claim she’s trans or non-binary.

When in reality this goes against the entire point of the show for two reasons:

1.) The main character was created to be a teenage girl thus she wants to become a normal human girl thus pushes herself to achieve this while fighting alien robots. Something along the lines of a Sci-Fi Pinocchio.

2.) Not even what trans means, cause isn’t the point of being trans is that you have to transition, say male to female? Now how does she fit in when she’s ONLY been female?

Finally to add more salt onto the wound, there’s a video that wants boast these talking points of Jenny being “trans coded.” https://youtu.be/LnqzgqYKXQk?feature=shared

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I do generally try to stick with older works in the genre but I like to try new stuff sometimes. Yeah YA is shit in general, but a lot adult fantasy is too lit rpg, trying too hard to copy GOT, or trying too hard to be lol so quirky, or Brandon Sanderson who suffers fromt he same problem that Stpehen King does he can't write endings, especially in the self published realm. I just wanna read progression fantasy, where people just fight shit, and the interpersonal stuff is almost irrelevant.

Hey, you could check out the older writers. Gene Cook and Glen Wolfe are both around, and a bit old. I hear decent thinks about The Black Company/Garret PI books by Cook as well as Glen Wolfe's work in general.

Look up older authors. You don't have to go back that far. Michael Moorcock's still around and he's got a fuckton of stuff. Ursula K. le guin may have recently died, but I hear Earthsea is an excellent YA fantasy.

Want more fantasy? Jack Vance, Fritz Leiber, Leigh Brackett, Fred Saberhagen, Robert Silverberg, Roger Zelazny, Robert E. Howard, HP Lovecraft, Clark Ashton Smith, August Derleth, Lord Dunsany, CL Moore, Henry Kuttner. Hell the series that The Black Cauldron is from. TH White's The Once and Future King. Karl Edward Wagner. There's just a lot if you dig into even slightly older stuff.

That's just off the top of my head. You've got shit like Mercedes Lackey, Cherryh, Tanith Lee, etc. CS Lewis/Tolkein, obviously.

Anyways I can easily recommend almost any of these writers. I haven't read any Lackey/Cherryh/Lee yet though.

Hell, I'd also say check out Edgar Rice Burroughs as well because his stuff inspired sword and sandal fantasy. Burroughs work has been reprinted and rereleased a fuckton, so getting copies is very easy. Check out Algernon Blackwood/Arthur Machen/William Hope Hodgson for the inspirations behind weird horror.

Howard's great. Vance is great too but his stuff's a pain to get in physical form unless you import the UK publishing house that's reprinting his shit or get a copy of The Dying Earth paperback omnibus still being reprinted by Orb/Tor. Zelazny's Amber series is collected in a big paperback omnibus. Fritz Leiber's stuff's a little trickier to get, but scoring copies of the 2 omnibus volumes from the '80s isn't hard to do.

Any pre WW2 author's fairly easy to get in omnibus forms. Howard/Lovecraft have extensive collections/reprints. Smith's a little trickier, but he and the 3 weird horror guys have penguin collection editions. Dunsany too. Moorcock's Elric stuff has been collected and reprinted twice in omnibus series over the past 10-15 years. Once by Del Rey in paperback and currently by Saga press in hardback. L. Sprague du Camp and Lin Carter are older fantasy/sci-fi writers that show up in omnibus and paperbacks from the 50s-80s, so it might be worth picking up if you're thrifting around.


TH White's book is very easy to find. Haven't tried to find Derlet/Silverberg/Saberhagen in current published form but the latter two have a ton of old editions you could find used for a reasonable or even very cheap price. Moore/Kuttner have had their stuff collected in paperbacks in the current era too. Leigh Brackett's gonna be harder to find, but still fairly doable . Cook/Wolfe/le Guin all have current trade paperbacks/hardcover reprints of their work coming out constantly too.

The big pain in the ass to get, in physical form, would be Karl Edward Wagner's fantasy works. You're gonna have to get either paperbacks or very pricey hardcovers that are 20 years old. His shit just hasn't recieved the deserved reprints it all needs.

Anyways, beyond these? There's also the original Oz books by Baum and the extended weird schizo fantasy-ish Allan Quatermain books that Haggard wrote in the tail end of his life.

Pirate everything you can. You can 100% find all of these on ebook format. If you want more recommendations, I'm sure fellow Kiwis have you covered.