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Forget election night answers: Results may take far longer in many close races
Los Angeles Times (archive.ph)
By Julia Wick
2024-03-05 18:12:17GMT

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Workers process vote-by-mail ballots at the Los Angeles County registrar’s tabulation and processing center in the City of Industry. (Irfan Khan / Los Angeles Times)

Forget election night. Election season has been upon us for weeks, and it won’t be over anytime soon.

California’s prodigious adoption of vote-by-mail balloting has done more than fundamentally alter how we engage in the democratic process. The shift has also necessitated a cultural reconfiguration about election night results, and recast the timeline for learning outcomes in many races.

Definitive answers will likely only be clear in the most lopsided of contests by late Tuesday night. And conclusive results could take days or weeks to emerge in some of the tightest races.

But fear not, these comparatively slow vote counts are a feature of a working democratic system, not a bug.

“I think oftentimes what people don’t understand about the California election process is that the Legislature, by intent, has allowed voters to have every opportunity to cast a ballot and to get their ballot in,” said Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk Dean Logan, who serves as the county’s chief election official.

There has been a decades-long push in the state to provide voters with more options and protections, making voting more accessible here than almost anywhere in the nation. But the flip side of that equation means more time-intensive work for election officials.

Think of it this way: When a Californian shows up at a vote center and casts a ballot in person, as was once commonplace, all the verification is done up front at the vote center. When that ballot arrives for tabulation, no extra steps are needed.

Each vote-by-mail ballot, however, has to be verified and processed before it can be tabulated, which is significantly more time-consuming. Now imagine hundreds of thousands of these vote-by-mail ballots arriving at once on or just after election day.

That all-at-once crush of ballots creates what the California Voter Foundation’s Kim Alexander calls “the ‘pig-in-the-python’ phenomenon, where you just have this giant wad of ballots moving through the process.”

“The reason we take so long is we’re verifying all the ballots and making sure only valid ballots are being counted,” Alexander told The Times during the last statewide election. “So it’s a function of election security — the very election security [that] people who criticize slow vote counts are demanding.”

When will there be election results?
This is a deceptively complicated question.

Let’s start with the straightforward part: California is home to 58 counties, and each has an elections office that counts votes in federal, state and local races in their jurisdictions. In the last presidential primary election in 2020, more than 9.6 million votes were cast in California.

In Los Angeles County, home to one out of every four voters in California, the hotly awaited first tranche of results will be released by the registrar-recorder’s office between 8:30 and 8:45 p.m on election night. That first wave will include only mail-in ballots received before election day.

A second set of results, which will add in ballots cast in-person at vote centers before election day, will be released between 8:45 and 9 p.m., according to the office.

Results from ballots cast in-person on election day will start being released sometime after 9 p.m., with updates coming into the wee hours. (After polls close at 8 p.m., ballots cast at vote centers on election day need to travel to a county facility in the City of Industry before any of them can be tabulated, so that takes some time.)

After election day, updates will be released daily between 4 and 5 p.m. on weekdays for the next two weeks, according to the registrar-recorder’s office.

The Orange County registrar of voters will follow a similar election night release schedule, with daily updates to follow.

It’s also worth noting that vote-by-mail ballots put into mailboxes on or just before election day can take a few days to arrive in the mail. California law dictates that ballots postmarked by election day must be accepted for up to seven days, meaning the total number of ballots cast won’t even be known until well into next week.

“Ultimately, we will certify our election results on March 29,” Logan, the L.A. County elections chief, said with a laugh. “That’s when we’ll know that every vote has been counted and what the final returns are.”

OK, that’s the literal schedule. But when will we have meaningful answers?
That really depends on the contest in question.

Paul Mitchell, a Democratic strategist and political data expert, predicted that results in some of the bigger-ticket races, like the U.S. Senate race and Gov. Gavin Newsom’s statewide ballot measure, Proposition 1, would actually be known on election night.

The dynamics of a primary election — where the two candidates who receive the most votes advance to a runoff in the Nov. 5 general election rather than a clear victor being declared — might also blunt “the perception of the lateness of the election results,” Mitchell said.

The top candidate in many primary races will be clear on election night, even if it takes longer in some races to determine who will be joining them in a runoff, Mitchell explained.

Take the crowded L.A. County district attorney’s race. Incumbent D.A. George Gascón will almost certainly finish in first place, but it could take days or weeks before enough votes are counted to determine which of his 11 challengers will face him in the November runoff. (Unlike in state and national races, L.A. County and city races won’t continue to a runoff if one candidate receives more than 50% of the vote. But that is not expected to happen in the district attorney’s race.)

Fernando Guerra, director of the Center for the Study of Los Angeles at Loyola Marymount University, also thought that results for Proposition 1 would be known on election night. But the political science professor predicted that it might take a day or two before the second-place finisher in the Senate race is known for certain.

Partisan House races where both parties have already coalesced around a candidate — such as the 27th District in northern Los Angeles County, where incumbent Rep. Mike Garcia (R-Santa Clarita) is facing off against Democratic challenger George Whitesides — will likely be called shortly after polls close.

But results in more competitive House primaries could take days or weeks.

Where does my ballot go to get processed and tabulated in L.A. County?
There is a sprawling, 144,000-square-foot facility abutting the 60 Freeway in the City of Industry where hundreds of employees have already been working for weeks processing vote-by-mail ballots. The building formerly housed a Fry’s Electronics store, though the massive blue and red decorative gears that once covered the facade have been removed since the county took over.

The operations inside resemble something between a factory floor and a highly choreographed ballet of specific tasks, though the actual tabulation of votes won’t begin until after 8 p.m. on election night.

You can watch the action as it happens on several livestreams. (This is the first year that the same facility is being used for both processing and tabulating. In the past, vote-by-mail ballots had to be trucked to a separate facility in Downey to be counted after they were processed in City of Industry.)


In a county that sprawls across more than 4,000 square miles, transporting ballots to the City of Industry facility on election day is also a massive logistical undertaking. After polls close, workers at vote centers will bring ballots to designated check-in centers, where they will be collected by Sheriff’s Department deputies, who then deliver them to the City of Industry.

The Sheriff’s Department will also be operating helicopters from seven different locations, delivering ballots from far-flung corners of the county. A sheriff’s-operated boat, helicopter or seaplane will bring ballots from Catalina Island to the mainland, with the mode of transportation dependent on weather conditions, Logan said.

More than 400 workers will also be waiting outside of vote-by-mail drop boxes across the county to lock them at 8 p.m., Logan said, before a different set of workers transports those ballots to the City of Industry facility.
 
Other countries can have this information on election night. And isn't counting constitutionally supposed to end at midnight?

I don't have the link, but there was an article in the Beeb from 2016 that listed "delayed results" as a sign of election fraud.
 
At this point, all the red states should refuse to announce their Final vote tallies until the blue states do. Because announcing them will just give the left a concrete number to reach for fortification.
 
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At this point, all the red states should refuse to announce their vote tallies until the blue states do. Because announcing them will just give the left a concrete number to reach for fortification.
Isn't that what Maricopa county did in the midterms (or the last election)? They just said "nuh-uh, were waiting until all other counties have reported".
 
It'll take months to disqualify the Republican ballots!
 
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Funny how this started becoming the norm once a guy that the Uniparty reeeeeally hated and threatened to break out of the extremely narrow Overton Window that exists in DC got elected.
 
Forget 2020, did the 2000 election set the precedent of delaying results because of what happened in Florida?
It may have done. Gore dragged things out long enough and almost bought enough time for the scummy ballot faking to work.

What gets me about that is, every time it's mentioned, everyone says "Bush used the courts and hanging chads to steal the election", when it was Gore that brought the suit and Gore's campaign that kept demanding recounts and finding bags of ballots in random car boots. It's disheartening to be surrounded by people who believe a complete inversion of reality.
 
This is the the MSM and lapdogs priming the pump for "the most secured election evar" and why it's taking months to give out official tally's.

Priming the Pump
 
Why? Counting votes isn't supposed to take longer just because the result is closer.

With hand counting it kinda does because you can look at the remaining ballots and say mathematically that no matter what they say a candidate cannot win. As a reporter this is all you need. If a candidate is winning on a 20% margin you don't need to wait for the count of the last 20% of the votes to be sure of the victor.

With electronic counting it's a total bullshit statement though, they know the results in real time.
 
This is the the MSM and lapdogs priming the pump for "the most secured election evar" and why it's taking months to give out official tally's.

Priming the Pump
I'm having Deja Vu about this situation. If they can't figure out who's president by inauguration day, then the speaker of the house will be temp president. I remember people in the 2020 election thread talking about this same issue.


So its to their benefit to figure shit out. I'm down with this political chicken situation to see who'll blink first.
 
I hear a lot of talk about this, and how it's a sign of things, but something that gets left out so often is the fact that getting the votes done and counted in a single day is part of the security of the system. Everything gets done in real time and too quickly for many strategies for cheating effectively. It's a safeguard. Early and mail-in voting (without a VERY GOOD reason, like having to be out of country or in the military etc) is the same. It opens up all kinds of points of failure. Even if not outright cheating, it opens the door to potential early info and targeted efforts to engineer a specific outcome.

Even in the best of cases, giving the benefit of the doubt that it had a good reason, taking so long only sows doubt and mistrust.. Especially when no other country needs such time, and we never have before either.

If we can't do voting in a single day with mass (no excuse) mail-ins, then we need to restrict it again. Simple as that. They already are a major risk, every other country in the world acknowledges this fact and restricts it.. once again, we did as well up until after 2019 when one of the parties found it's useful for legal vote harvesting.
 
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I have a feeling with how unpopular Biden is it's not going take that long. I have a feeling Trump will be announced the winner sometime in the morning.
 
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