UN Greece becomes first Orthodox Christian country to legalize same-sex civil marriage - The main opposition to the new bill has come from the traditionalist Church of Greece — which also disapproves of heterosexual civil marriage.

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Greece on Thursday became the first Orthodox Christian country to legalize same-sex civil marriage, despite opposition from the influential, socially conservative Greek Church.

A cross-party majority of 176 lawmakers in the 300-seat parliament voted late Thursday in favor of the landmark bill drafted by Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis ' center-right government. Another 76 rejected the reform while two abstained from the vote and 46 were not present in the house.

Mitsotakis tweeted after the vote that Greece “is proud to become the 16th (European Union) country to legislate marriage equality.”

“This is a milestone for human rights, reflecting today’s Greece — a progressive, and democratic country, passionately committed to European values,” he wrote.

Opinion polls suggest that most Greeks support the proposed reform by a narrow margin, and the issue has failed to trigger deep divisions in a country more worried about the high cost of living.

The bill was backed by four left-wing parties, including the main opposition Syriza.

“This law doesn’t solve every problem, but it is a beginning,” said Spiros Bibilas, a lawmaker from the small left-wing Passage to Freedom party, who is openly gay.

It was approved despite several majority and left-wing lawmakers abstaining or voting against the reform. Three small far-right parties and the Stalinist-rooted Communist Party rejected the draft law from the start of the two-day debate.

Supporters, waving rainbow banners, and opponents of the bill, holding religious icons and praying, held separate small, peaceful gatherings outside parliament Thursday.

“People who have been invisible will finally be made visible around us. And with them, many children (will) finally find their rightful place,” Mitsotakis told lawmakers ahead of the evening vote.

“Both parents of same-sex couples do not yet have the same legal opportunities to provide their children with what they need,” he added. “To be able to pick them up from school, to be able to travel, to go to the doctor, or take them to the hospital. ... That is what we are fixing.”

The bill confers full parental rights on married same-sex partners with children. But it precludes gay couples from parenthood through surrogate mothers in Greece — an option currently available to women who can’t have children for health reasons.

Maria Syrengela, a lawmaker from the governing New Democracy, or ND, said the reform redresses a long-standing injustice for same-sex couples and their children.

“And let’s reflect on what these people have been through, spending so many years in the shadows, entangled in bureaucratic procedures,” she said.

Dissidents among the governing party included former Prime Minister Antonis Samaras, from ND’s conservative wing.

“Same-sex marriage is not a human right … and it’s not an international obligation for our country,” he told parliament. “Children have a right to have parents from both sexes.”

Polls show that while most Greeks agree to same-sex weddings they also reject extending parenthood through surrogacy to male couples. Same-sex civil partnerships have been allowed in Greece since 2015. But that only conferred legal guardianship to the biological parents of children in those relationships, leaving their partners in a bureaucratic limbo.

The main opposition to the new bill has come from the traditionalist Church of Greece — which also disapproves of heterosexual civil marriage.

Church officials have centered their criticism on the bill’s implications for traditional family values, and argue that potential legal challenges could lead to a future extension of surrogacy rights to gay couples.

Church supporters and conservative organizations have staged small protests against the proposed law.

Far-right lawmaker Vassilis Stigas, head of the small Spartans party, described the legislation Thursday as “sick” and claimed that its adoption would “open the gates of Hell and perversion.”

Politically, the same-sex marriage law is not expected to harm Mitsotakis’ government, which won easy re-election last year after capturing much of the centrist vote.

A stronger challenge comes from ongoing protests by farmers angry at high production costs, and intense opposition from many students to the planned scrapping of a state monopoly on university education.

Nevertheless, parliament is expected to approve the university bill later this month, and opinion polls indicate that most Greeks support it.

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The main opposition to the new bill has come from the traditionalist Church of Greece — which also disapproves of heterosexual civil marriage.
I'm really, really glad they're consistent on this issue because it's an important one. Without civil marriage there is no basis for same-sex marriage.

Nothing worse than someone who has been married and no-fault divorced four times trying to lecture you on the "sanctity of marriage".
 
I don't feel so good, Orthobros.

A cross-party majority of 176 lawmakers in the 300-seat parliament voted late Thursday in favor of the landmark bill drafted by Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis ' center-right government. Another 76 rejected the reform while two abstained from the vote and 46 were not present in the house.
Ah, conservacuck priorities.

Church officials have centered their criticism on the bill’s implications for traditional family values, and argue that potential legal challenges could lead to a future extension of surrogacy rights to gay couples.

Church supporters and conservative organizations have staged small protests against the proposed law.

Far-right lawmaker Vassilis Stigas, head of the small Spartans party, described the legislation Thursday as “sick” and claimed that its adoption would “open the gates of Hell and perversion.”
*Looks at the history of the modern West since the 90s*

These people are 100% correct, the slippery slope is very real and it sure looks like Greece has decided to start swan-diving off of it.

Also, obligatory lengthy video on how Ancient Greece was not actually some classical version of the Castro, Achilles & Patroclus being gay was an invention of modern scholars who basically reverse-Sailor Uranus/Neptune'd Homer's original work (turning cousins/best friends into gay lovers), etc.

 
Guys, the Church ain't doing this, it's the government.

They're just pointing out the "orthodox" part to further humilliate them... they want to highlight the religious part to remind you that not even your religion will save you.

I doubt support is as much as they claim it is, tbh. We've have enough examples of lobbies doing this and the population isn't really on board with it. I mean, my Supreme Court already approved like three abortions as an "exceptions" (that will become a rule) despite having about 60% against it.
 
As a strong sympathizer of the Greek Orthodox church, I am praying hard for Greece. I am not @Pooner and have an insane Greek bush, rather some of my formation into the Church was through people with Greek Orthodox backround. Homosexual marriage is a mistake and was one.
 
they also reject extending parenthood through surrogacy to male couples
And now we know what will be declared the next "civil rights issue of our time", and where all the rainbow NGO money will immediately be redirected. And the Left will continue to make Handmaid's Tale references in response to every policy they dislike, but not the actual renting of poor women's wombs by rich homosexuals who want to own a small boy...
 
I don't blame Putler for forcing his women to accept the heterosexual dick of breeding.

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I don't feel so good, Orthobros.


Ah, conservacuck priorities.


*Looks at the history of the modern West since the 90s*

These people are 100% correct, the slippery slope is very real and it sure looks like Greece has decided to start swan-diving off of it.

Also, obligatory lengthy video on how Ancient Greece was not actually some classical version of the Castro, Achilles & Patroclus being gay was an invention of modern scholars who basically reverse-Sailor Uranus/Neptune'd Homer's original work (turning cousins/best friends into gay lovers), etc.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BNAT4ybsz_E
Sliiiiip slip and slide!

 
Also, obligatory lengthy video on how Ancient Greece was not actually some classical version of the Castro, Achilles & Patroclus being gay was an invention of modern scholars who basically reverse-Sailor Uranus/Neptune'd Homer's original work (turning cousins/best friends into gay lovers), etc
Honestly the Castro would be an improvement over Ancient Greece since it was adult dudes banging other adult dudes. The Greeks were into pederasty big time.
 
Honestly the Castro would be an improvement over Ancient Greece since it was adult dudes banging other adult dudes. The Greeks were into pederasty big time.
Except for the Macedonians and Greeks that lived in Northern areas. They weren't as given to homosexual tendencies due to their rugged environement and general rural surroundings. Aristotle has been stated that gay sex is like eating charcoal in his opinion.
 
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