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I don't know if this really belongs here, but Kellie-Jay Keen went to a primary school in the UK along with a mother who objected to the things being taught there under the 'No Outsiders' programme and secretly recorded a conversation between them and the teachers there. It makes for very interesting listening.



Maybe this is just me, but isn't 'No Outsiders' quite a sinister name for a teaching programme? Like, I understand that it's meant as in 'No child shall be an outsider here' or whatever, but it doesn't sound like that.

To me, 'No Outsiders' sounds like something a cult would say, precisely to keep non-believers out.

It was apparently set up by a guy called Andrew Moffat, who according to his Wikipedia page is openly gay, making this yet another case of gay men having a preoccupation with the idea of exposing this sort of thing to the young and impressionable and inveigling their way into positions of power in order to make that happen.


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Super Hon, like many middleaged men popping E, claims she’s going through a second (now female) adolescence. If so, I thought, she is clearly having one bearing no resemblance to mine and that of every woman I know. Sorry, my favourite giantess, YWNBAW, no matter how much you click your purple Chucks together and wish hard.

And yet… is not her continual friction with her mother an aspect of every female adolescence? That should be super-affirming, right? So when I saw her latest post involved her dear old based boomer mum, my cold dead terf heart warmed ever so slightly (snip below, full text spoilered).

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Gender Euphoria Mic Drops with Megan! (46 MtF. 5 months out.)​

Yesterday was a rough day. Lots of the monetary costs of being trans were taking their toll on me, especially after sitting down with an electrolysis professional who was highly rated but honestly assessed that it would take A LOT of treatment (that of course isn’t covered by insurance) to deal with even the van dyke region of my graying red-blonde beard. It was truth I’d tried to prepare for, but it was also exhausting on top of an issue with a human hair wig I’d had custom made but had serious problems with and a whole lot of hormones running amok during 2nd adolescence.

Despite all of these setbacks from the day, I did have one beautiful moment of gender euphoria.

My mother—who has made sure to be as non-affirming as possible over the last 5 months of my transition—had issues with her two TV’s and needed my help to get them fixed. I came over after I helped out at my church this evening and figured out what was going on with the TVs. After correcting them, I had mom practice with both TVs and then took photos and emailed her and my sister a detailed checklist for fixing the things in the future.

Mom also needed help contacting the cable company as she needed to cancel her cable television package and had been upsold to a more expensive package when she’d called to do the same thing a month before. In Megan mode, I’m much better at dealing with folks over the phone—as I no longer get pushed into corners easily—so I wanted to help her out.

Prepared for a tussle with the cable company, I called them up and was answered by a woman named Sara, who sounded like she was either from Jersey or the Bronx. I introduced myself as Megan and said I was calling on behalf of my mother. She said she’d be happy to chat with me, but she’d need the cable customer (my mother) to confirm that I was permitted to speak on her behalf.

I took the phone to mom with it set to speaker mode. She asked my mother a security question and then if she had permission to talk to me.

My mother, who always finds it a good time to try to uphold her version of the status quo and not affirm my choices in public, made sure to clarify: “You were talking to my son. Of course you can have permission to keep talking to my son.”

“DAUGHTER.” I clarified calmly over the speaker phone, as I took the handset back from my mother. “I’m in transition. It’s a whole thing over here.”

“Oh, [DEAD NAME]! You didn’t have to tell her that!” My mother protested.

“Oh, yes, yes I did.” I stated calmly and then walked back to the back bedroom. After 46 years of being encouraged to pretend not to be who I was—initially, on my mother’s behalf—I was no longer willing to play that game a second longer.

Far from the predatory person I’d been prepared to encounter, Sara turned out to be one of the few people with a sense of ethics at her cable company and actually tried to save my mother as much money as she could once she’d confirmed her modest needs. She gave me the less fun news about when the actual changes in fees would go into effect honestly and gave me an estimate for the change.
Moreover, she correctly referred to me by my correct name and my gender for the rest of the conversation, and then we discussed our Thanksgiving plans. When I disclosed that we were “still figuring things out for the holidays,” she correctly sensed that this meant tension between me and the woman who was ignoring my transition and quickly moved on, oversharing how she had lost track of the time this year but planned to make her special turkey egg rolls after the festivities!

As I concluded the conversation, I made sure to let her know that she’d been delightful and that I appreciated all of her help!

Afterwards, I packaged up mom’s unneeded cable boxes to ship them off to the cable company and she, wisely, pretended she’d never said anything while I’d been on the phone, thanking me for all my help!

I was honestly happy to do it, but part of me wonders if she’ll ever have me call a company on her behalf again, now that I will no longer pretend to be who I never really was. Each exposure to the outside world that she’s present for is one more exposure to Megan that she can’t actually ignore.

Goddamn it girl. You literally keep missing all the female shit happening right in front of you. But you did get a customer rep to play along with you, so cool power flex or whatever.

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There are stereotypically masculine and stereotypically feminine speech patterns but no grammatical genders.

Compare
(1) "Personally, going to school."
(2) "Dis nigga off to school, yo!"

and now to these calques from Russian:
(3) "I, a male, went to school."
(4) "I, a female, went to school."

(1) and (2) are speech patterns. (3) and (4) are genders.
Male with feminine speech patterns: shy, humble, excessively polite, bootlicker.
Female with male speech patterns: rude, immature, airhead, girlboss.
Male speaker with female grammatical gender: troon.
Female speaker with male grammatical gender: pooner or web 1.0 he/him lesbian.

There's no way in Japanese to >imply "I, a male" or "I, a female" or for that matter "I, a troon". (Although, for the latter, "owo whats this *kawaii* tee hee i pooped my diaper?!" would suffice.)
I dont know the intricacies of it all, i know she uses "boku" to refer to herself which is traditionally male. Perhaps calling it gendered is too far, all i know is the way these characters refer to themselves is the crux of many troon arguments.
 
I saw a clip of Jim Sterling on YouTube playing Baldur's Gate 3 and his player character was customized to be an ugly troon. Why? If he wants to be a women why not create an ultra beautiful idealized natal women character? Why be a troon even in your idealized fantasy where you can be anything you want?
When Jim plays video games he's always tended to make the character look like himself (fat and all) or failing that as garish and unsightly as possible. I remember one Squirty Pay where he customized a pink colour scheme and made a comparison to Slaanesh.
 
Yesterday was a rough day. Lots of the monetary costs of being trans were taking their toll on me, especially after sitting down with an electrolysis professional who was highly rated but honestly assessed that it would take A LOT of treatment (that of course isn’t covered by insurance) to deal with even the van dyke region of my graying red-blonde beard. It was truth I’d tried to prepare for, but it was also exhausting on top of an issue with a human hair wig I’d had custom made but had serious problems with and a whole lot of hormones running amok during 2nd adolescence.
I'm sure his mother is totally pleased that it's not just her son trooning out, but her grandson too ( I recall superhon mentioning his "daughter" was creeped out by his transition in the same time frame). Her bloodline has gone up in smoke and she had to endure these jackass males going through a "second puberty" even when they're just guzzling estrogen.

He's strapped for cash, but still wants that electrolysis. He's like Tony, but with that instead of a $3000 dress.
 
Jesus, just let your mom live out her twilight years in peace. 46 years old and still views his mom like an adversarial teenager does. Troons are miserable, ungrateful narcissists and I encourage them to rope more.
 
I'm sure his mother is totally pleased that it's not just her son trooning out, but her grandson too ( I recall superhon mentioning his "daughter" was creeped out by his transition in the same time frame). Her bloodline has gone up in smoke and she had to endure these jackass males going through a "second puberty" even when they're just guzzling estrogen.

He's strapped for cash, but still wants that electrolysis. He's like Tony, but with that instead of a $3000 dress.

Oh hell yes.

Just to clarify re the kids: the chronology is 14 year old son troons out first, followed six months later by dad. There is also an 11 year old son, and his big request is that his mother not transition because he couldn’t cope with that. We don’t actually know what the 14 year old thinks about any of this. He however is very like his dad in personality (according to Super Hon) which means autistic.

Based boomer mum and the 14 year old get along well (presumably she hopes gentleness is the right approach to a troubled child) but she happily sticks it to ol’ Megs, who wants to cut off contact but can’t because the kids love the old broad.

As for the finances, Jesus tapdancing Christ. Megs is built like a brick shithouse, so not only is there an entire new wardrobe to buy, it’s is also non-standard size, plus there’s the electrolysis and the insane wig shit. Still, I’m sure the kids won’t mind their tiny college funds because dad has a massive euphoria boner.
 
I dont know the intricacies of it all, i know she uses "boku" to refer to herself which is traditionally male. Perhaps calling it gendered is too far, all i know is the way these characters refer to themselves is the crux of many troon arguments.
Boku-ko tomboys are a thing in anime and manga. Tomboy appreciators lose again.
 
or the finances, Jesus tapdancing Christ. Megs is built like a brick shithouse, so not only is there an entire new wardrobe to buy, it’s is also non-standard size, plus there’s the electrolysis and the insane wig shit. Still, I’m sure the kids won’t mind their tiny college funds because dad has a massive euphoria boner.
It's insane. When you're hurting for money and have sprouting kids, clothes are a massive headache as it is. If they haven't grown out of it six months after you buy if, they're refusing to wear it anyway because it's now out of fashion and their friends and bullies are giving them absolute hell over it.

Then Hon comes along and demands a high end wig and clothes to suit the woman that he is, which means speciality retailers and tailoring, not to mention shoes, cosmetics, surgery etc. I wonder how long it's been since the ten year old got new shoes? And not even good shoes at that, a pair of nasty white plastic joggers from a discount store.

If you're going to troon out, at least wait until the kids have finished high school and fled the house. Super Hon is literally stealing his own children's adolescence. I'm honestly surprised that he didn't do it when his wife was pregnant.

The only people who don't end up sacrificing themselves for their children one way or another are multi millionaires who can afford to pay other people to raise the kids for them. People like Super Hon are just scum. If you're already scrapping just to pay the fucking rent, dropping a couple grand on a brand new wardrobe is just sociopathic. If he wants clothes that badly, learn to fucking sew his own.
 
Maybe this is just me, but isn't 'No Outsiders' quite a sinister name for a teaching programme? Like, I understand that it's meant as in 'No child shall be an outsider here' or whatever, but it doesn't sound like that.

To me, 'No Outsiders' sounds like something a cult would say, precisely to keep non-believers out.
It sounds to me what a groomer teacher will say. "We are not outsiders, so I'll tell you everything about me and I want you to tell me everything about you."

Superhon: "I called [cable company] up and was answered by a woman named Sara...we discuss our Thanksgiving plans.
WTF?
 
I wanted to talk about this in the Jim Sterling thread, but never got round to it.

But that "Watch yourselves, lads, because you could all be on the list," gag (my, what an accurate word 🤮) was so awkward. No one laughed.

Like, what's the joke there? "I'll spread rumours that you slept with me?"
 
I wanted to talk about this in the Jim Sterling thread, but never got round to it.

But that "Watch yourselves, lads, because you could all be on the list," gag (my, what an accurate word 🤮) was so awkward. No one laughed.

Like, what's the joke there? "I'll spread rumours that you slept with me?"
Referring to men as 'lads' is such UwU feminine behaviour though, isn't it.

Don't think there was a joke btw, just Jim forcing people to be unwilling participants in his fetish as usual.
 
Cross-dressing is the single most common paraphilia among serial sex killers (actually it might be second after voyeurism, both of which are common in troons). The list of cross-dressers is pretty long, including Hadden Clark, Jerry Brudos, Ed Gein, Russell Sherman, that big German dude who now loves to wear pink, that Australian dude who is in a woman's prison, Douglas Perry. This is just skimming the surface. This used to be commonly accepted, and at one point there was a Wikipedo article about it, but it got memory holed. These days if you look up cross dressing serial killers google promotes all sorts of bullshit articles about how it's a transphobic myth. But the relationship is real.
Late af but I'm completely convinced that the show Mindhunter was cancelled over this. Directed by David Fincher, it was about the development of the concept of "serial killers" and based on actual FBI agents and killers. All of season 2 has these incredibly creepy, perverse teasers at the start/end of episodes involving a crossdresser who was obviously BTK. They were setting it up to be the topic of the third season. It was well produced, well received, with a handsome lead, in a time when "true crime" was really taking off. You just *know* that some high level AGP troon nuked it
I wanted to talk about this in the Jim Sterling thread, but never got round to it.

But that "Watch yourselves, lads, because you could all be on the list," gag (my, what an accurate word 🤮) was so awkward. No one laughed.

Like, what's the joke there? "I'll spread rumours that you slept with me?"
Dude imagines that's what women are like, I'm sure. "Tee hee I'm constipated and deranged, I'll say one of you is the daddy!" Forcing everyone in the room to imagine having sex with him via threats and jokes= truly feminine behavior lol
 
Late af but I'm completely convinced that the show Mindhunter was cancelled over this. Directed by David Fincher, it was about the development of the concept of "serial killers" and based on actual FBI agents and killers. All of season 2 has these incredibly creepy, perverse teasers at the start/end of episodes involving a crossdresser who was obviously BTK. They were setting it up to be the topic of the third season. It was well produced, well received, with a handsome lead, in a time when "true crime" was really taking off. You just *know* that some high level AGP troon nuked it
I wouldn't be surprised. It's a real shame too. Mindhunters was probably the only good Netflix original series.
 
Late af but I'm completely convinced that the show Mindhunter was cancelled over this. Directed by David Fincher, it was about the development of the concept of "serial killers" and based on actual FBI agents and killers. All of season 2 has these incredibly creepy, perverse teasers at the start/end of episodes involving a crossdresser who was obviously BTK. They were setting it up to be the topic of the third season. It was well produced, well received, with a handsome lead, in a time when "true crime" was really taking off. You just *know* that some high level AGP troon nuked it
If I were betting man, I'd say that there's a clear link between lowered empathy for others and "auto" sexualities in general. That's why psycho/sociopaths, cluster b personalities and autists are so drawn towards it.
 
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