Cogent's CEO is directly involved in trying to censor the Kiwi Farms

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teriyakiburns said:
So, just to be clear for the retards in the room (me): Are they still advertising routes to your IPs, but then dropping the traffic?
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I believe it is a blackhole. It is likely Cogent is announcing the subnets and dropping connections to the singular IP, which would be illegal if they do not have authorization to announce those subnets. I think they did this before with HostSlick.
 
Imperial Citizen said:
Hopefully they want to work together and listen to your guidance. That will lead a network of websites working together to stay online. A lot more resources, knowledge, and connections to utilize.
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Somehow, I doubt that will work. After the death of 8chan, various alt/bunker imageboard came together to form a "webring", idea that it would unite the 8chan refugees and let others know about other independent imageboards.
5 years later, the entire thing is pretty much dead, and by that I mean every board and imageboard involved. What remains is a few squabbling pedophiles who are trying to claim that their site is less pathetic/slightly more active and crying about being trolled all the time and blaming the other site for it.
My point is that even against extreme pressure, asking several different sites, even if they are adjacent in their content and beliefs, will simply not work. Everyone has to fend for themselves, however it is true that they will likely be looking at what Null will do about this, to see if it's even worth defending their own communities and at what cost.
 
Opera's free VPN is routing both .net and .st for Europe and America, but not Asia. If that changes for the worse, then I guess there will still be Tor.
 
12GameOvers said:
Trying to appeal to them was a valiant effort, but you should have known they were going to take that as you kneeling to them, and that they would just spit in your face and laugh anyways.
Clearnet works fine for me with a bit of VPN toggling, so hopefully this is about as effective as the troon DDoS(and about as expensive in the long run for them)


Anyone that saw the writing on the wall knew this would happen. Just like they're taking down statues "in secret" they want to snuff out any site that isn't part of Web 3.0 at all costs
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Hokuriku said:
My man, every problem you're facing right now is the direct result of not enough holes having gotten blown into enough Marxists' heads over the past century and a half. You already were on the right track for alternatives when you had proposed people ought to be buying ammunition instead of voting on election day.
Again, these are reptiles in suits who's only grasp of human emotion is mortal terror for their own self-preservation, only one side is understanding this and it's no coinkidink that they're the side that's consistantly getting what they want at your direct expense.
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Overly dramatic autistic faggots.

Null said:
I believe it is a blackhole. It is likely Cogent is announcing the subnets and dropping connections to the singular IP, which would be illegal if they do not have authorization to announce those subnets. I think they did this before with HostSlick.
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Would it be too retarded to suggest treating this like the Hurricane Electric situation? Contact the attorney generals of other states and see if anything can be done, regardless if there are any common carrier laws in place for those states.
 
Null said:
I believe it is a blackhole. It is likely Cogent is announcing the subnets and dropping connections to the singular IP, which would be illegal if they do not have authorization to announce those subnets. I think they did this before with HostSlick.
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Madness. In a just world, that would be illegal without a court order.

If what I'm reading is right, Cogent is particularly slimy about how they use their network. They've apparently refused to peer with Hurricane Electric for years, at least as recently as 2018, for no obvious reason other than because they can't squeeze money out of HE. It was causing severe disruption to IPV6 networking at the time. They seem to have a long history of dropping peers without notice and fucking over whole subnets in what, to me at least, looks very much like extortion. They also lie about being a Tier 1; they don't provide proper IPV6 connectivity, so in the customary definition they're not a T1 at all.

Looking further into it, the company was initially funded by something called the Keiretsu Forum, a bunch of "investors". I'm going to have a dig around and see what connections they have. I get the feeling they're ideologically motivated in some way.
 
teriyakiburns said:
Madness. In a just world, that would be illegal without a court order.

If what I'm reading is right, Cogent is particularly slimy about how they use their network. They've apparently refused to peer with Hurricane Electric for years, at least as recently as 2018, for no obvious reason other than because they can't squeeze money out of HE. It was causing severe disruption to IPV6 networking at the time. They seem to have a long history of dropping peers without notice and fucking over whole subnets in what, to me at least, looks very much like extortion. They also lie about being a Tier 1; they don't provide proper IPV6 connectivity, so in the customary definition they're not a T1 at all.

Looking further into it, the company was initially funded by something called the Keiretsu Forum, a bunch of "investors". I'm going to have a dig around and see what connections they have. I get the feeling they're ideologically motivated in some way.
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Would definitely be ironic if they were the ones who got cancelled, simply because they were outed as criminal scumbags over this little tantrum
 
@Null have you any specific tasks you like to crowdsource to the Farms, or any outreach you'd like done (or conversely NOT done) ? I'm an idiot but I'd like to be a Useful Idiot for a change.

I am sorry this is happening to you, to us, and to the greater Internet et al. I know appreciation doesn't pay the bills, but I greatly appreciate you.
 
Man In A Dress said:
Would it be too retarded to suggest treating this like the Hurricane Electric situation? Contact the attorney generals of other states and see if anything can be done, regardless if there are any common carrier laws in place for those states.
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Any end-user who is impacted by this in a location with net neutrality should complain to their ISP. Pretend you don't know what a "Cogent" is and just complain that you can't reach site XYZ on your one Internet connection but can on your other(like your phone).

And if your ISP ignores it then escalate it in the appropriate manner for your state.
 
teriyakiburns said:
Madness. In a just world, that would be illegal without a court order.

If what I'm reading is right, Cogent is particularly slimy about how they use their network. They've apparently refused to peer with Hurricane Electric for years, at least as recently as 2018, for no obvious reason other than because they can't squeeze money out of HE. It was causing severe disruption to IPV6 networking at the time. They seem to have a long history of dropping peers without notice and fucking over whole subnets in what, to me at least, looks very much like extortion. They also lie about being a Tier 1; they don't provide proper IPV6 connectivity, so in the customary definition they're not a T1 at all.

Looking further into it, the company was initially funded by something called the Keiretsu Forum, a bunch of "investors". I'm going to have a dig around and see what connections they have. I get the feeling they're ideologically motivated in some way.
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it seems to me that money is the main factor here and i find the timing of all this rather interesting considering a certain brickfaced troon just so happened to get a fair amount of money.

almost makes me wonder if said troon has resorted to bribery i mean if Cogent is as scummy as they appear i would not be surprised one bit if they could be encouraged to do something for the right amount of money.
 
I'm still able to connect via Japan and Poland. I wonder what girl talk led to this development.
 
Tetragrammaton said:
it seems to me that money is the main factor here and i find the timing of all this rather interesting considering a certain brickfaced troon just so happened to get a fair amount of money.
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Brickface got a judgement, not the money. It can be a long process to extract real money from the loser in a civil case.

Nor do I find it likely that Cogent's CEO was bought off with a suitcase full of cash.
 
Null said:
Other drama sites that are "Kiwi Farms-lite" have been getting XenForo licenses axed, kicked off hosts, etc. Even the ones that don't allow "doxing".
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Interesting, this is the first I’ve heard of this kind of thing.

I wonder what the underlying motivation is for deplatforming those sites, since up until now it’s been someone with a vendetta against us specifically complaining to the tier 1 ISP megacorps, rather than proactive action on the side of the corporations (if I’m understanding this correctly).
 
WhiteNight said:
Nor do I find it likely that Cogent's CEO was bought off with a suitcase full of cash.
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Why not? People become CEOs because regular, human amounts of money aren't enough for them. If someone showed up and said to him "I'll pay you a quarter mil for 3 phone calls", why wouldn't he take it so he can get flame decals on his yacht?

I'm not saying that's definitely what happened, but I wouldn't rule it out on principle.
 
Kalsarinännit said:
Interesting, this is the first I’ve heard of this kind of thing.

I wonder what the underlying motivation is for deplatforming those sites, since up until now it’s been someone with a vendetta against us specifically complaining to the tier 1 ISP megacorps, rather than proactive action on the side of the corporations (if I’m understanding this correctly).
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Kalsarinännit said:
Interesting, this is the first I’ve heard of this kind of thing.

I wonder what the underlying motivation is for deplatforming those sites, since up until now it’s been someone with a vendetta against us specifically complaining to the tier 1 ISP megacorps, rather than proactive action on the side of the corporations (if I’m understanding this correctly).
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It is ideological. Big Tech wants a sanitized and inoffensive internet, like a worldwide infomercial/daytime cable television. Heretics who disrupt the harmony of their vision or do not conform to their corporate orthodoxy must be silenced or purged.

China might have the Great Firewall, but we have the Corponet.
 
It's weird. This is the first time an isp has fucked with kiwifarms and I -havent- been affected at all. Can still get on via clearnet at home, work, and via mobile.

Every other time this has happened I've had to resort to TOR.
 
Idk if theres away around this one but im still optimistic that its taken collusion with dozens of high level tech ceos just to partially take down kf on the clearnet and even people like me can still just use tor even without an onion link if we want, or vpns.

i think kf will outlive any of the trannies trying to silence it.
 
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