The Dating Pool Dropouts - They've got the dream, but not the drive.

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The Dating Pool Dropouts

Young men today feel they must be six feet tall, make six figures, and have six inches downstairs to get a girlfriend—so many have given up trying.


By Olivia Reingold

September 13, 2023


“Are you religious?”

The question made Jammall squirm. The answer was no, but he could tell his date wanted it to be yes. And after the hour-long drive to get here, to a Caribbean restaurant in Orlando, Florida, he could tell it wasn’t working.

“I think we should just be friends,” the 36-year-old security guard remembers telling the girl he had dinner with last month after they met on Facebook.

That was his first date in three years. He says he once went six months without getting a single match on a dating app, even though he pays $30 in monthly fees between OkCupid, Bumble, and Hinge. If you count high school, when he went to the movies with a classmate, Jammall says he’s been on a total of three dates his entire life.

And now, driving home from his date, it hit him like a ton of bricks: Why do I even do this at all?

He walked into his apartment near Cape Canaveral, greeted the cats, and slumped down on his couch.

“I’m so far out of the loop,” he told me he realized at the time. “Compared to my peers, who have gone out with women, and know how to interact with them, I’m too far gone. I can’t learn that stuff.”

He trails off, then adds: “I’m just not going to try anymore. It’s not worth it.”

Jammall, who asked me to conceal his last name to protect his reputation at work, is one of a growing number of young men who are withdrawing from the dating pool. More than six in ten men aged 18 to 29 are now single, up from about five in ten in 2019, according to data from Pew Research Center. Respondents give a range of reasons for their singlehood, including having “more important priorities,” the fact they “just like being single,” or that they’ve gotten “too old” to keep trying.

But part of it also boils down to this: it’s hard for men to find partners at a moment when women are outpacing them both at school and work. Young women now hold 1.6 million more college degrees than men, and in a growing number of cities, including Los Angeles, Washington D.C., and New York, they make as much as—or more than—their male counterparts. And even if they become mothers, odds are four in ten will become the breadwinners of their households.

“What discourages me so much is that most of the women that I’ve seen on dating sites, they want a man making as much as them and they’re making upwards of like, $100,000,” said Jammall, who tells me he makes $55,000 a year.

“A lot of men are checking out,” he adds. “We’re just tired. We’re just tired of being told that we don’t measure up either physically or financially.”

I found Jammall on the online Reddit community r/TrueUnpopularOpinion, where men often vent about the dating scene. On another subreddit, r/PurplePillDebate, male commenters bemoan that they’re held to the “666 rule,” which mandates they be six feet tall, make six figures, and have six inches—or more—downstairs. (Jammall describes himself as a “straitlaced guy” who is 5-feet-5-inches tall.)

The men I spoke with—ranging from ages 17 to 33 and living in rural New Jersey to Austin, Texas—said they felt overlooked in a competitive dating market, where women often list salary requirements and height preferences on their profiles.

To see if things were as bad as they claimed, I joined two major dating platforms—Tinder and Hinge—and posed as a hip, 30-year-old business owner with a full head of hair and a degree from NYU. A few swipes in, I spotted a busty blonde leaning over in a halter dress with the caption, “Together we could find out if you’re lying about your height.”

Then, a 22-year-old, captured in a selfie at her work cubicle with her cleavage resting on her desk, wrote: “Don’t superlike me if ur ugly I already have a lot going on.”

Another woman, a five-feet-two-inch bombshell named Ashly, warned men: “If you [are] one of those ‘split the check’ or not wealthy. . . NEXT.”

That financial pressure is what screws men over most, said Jess Carbino, the former in-house sociologist for Tinder and Bumble.

“The traditional markers of adulthood like buying a home, completing college, and getting married, are all becoming far harder to achieve,” Carbino said. “Many men perceive themselves to be far less marriageable. And in turn, many women perceive them to be less marriageable, too.”

She says it’s never been easy to be Joe Average on the dating market but things are rougher now that the average man’s salary, which hovers just above $61,000 in the U.S., is hardly enough to afford rent in most major American cities. Yet still, many women hold out for men who make not just as much or more than they do, but are also wildly attractive.

While the sexual revolution freed women from depending on men for income or stability, it also means they can privilege more “frivolous” qualities in a mate, says Rob Henderson, a psychology PhD with a Substack on social mores.

“People used to care a bit more deeply about moral character and hard work, and whether the person was an ethical and upstanding citizen,” he tells me. “And now, you don’t have to worry about that quite as much. And you can sort of focus on things that are just, like, more immediate, like attraction.”

The result? Men at the tip-top of the dating pool get everything. And the men who don’t have it all get nothing.

But even the alphas are feeling the squeeze.

One New York City–based psychologist, David Gordon, says many of the high-powered men he treats—including doctors, lawyers, and financiers—fret over their ability to attract a woman, despite their enviable salaries or careers.

“It’s kind of sad or tragic, but some guys will look at their bank accounts, stocks, or credit score every day, as if it’s some sort of measure of their value,” he says. “We can look at the numbers, and I’m like, ‘Dude, looks pretty good to me.’ ”

Still, he says, “There’s this anxiety around—is this enough?”


That’s the insecurity that keeps Santiago, a 25-year-old from Albuquerque, New Mexico, up at night. The last time he dated anyone was in 2021—but that ended when he suspected she was cheating on him. Now, with the wounds still raw, he fears he’s “not worthy” of a girlfriend anymore.

“After being depressed for so long, I feel like it’s a handicap,” says Santiago, who works at a department store and has been on one date only since his breakup. “It makes me feel like, ‘Oh, he’s damaged goods.’ ”

And then there’s the problem of not knowing how to approach a woman. He suspects his coworker might have a crush on him, and yet he worries that one wrong move and he’ll be labeled “creepy.”

It’s a common worry for men in the post–#MeToo era. In a 2016 study, over 95 percent of respondents replied that men were much more likely to be “creepy people” than women. One twentysomething on Reddit, who wanted to ask out an employee at his local pet store, groaned that men are “expected to be the hunters but are shunned for doing so in public unless it’s on a stupid app.”

So Santiago does nothing.

“I’m a very insecure person—I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble or break their boundaries,” said the third-generation Mexican American.

And then there’s the cost of romance. The average date in the U.S. comes with a $159 price tag, which costs more than ten hours of work for those making a $15 hourly wage. It started getting so expensive for one bachelor, a 26-year-old banker, that he moved from Los Angeles, where rent averages around $3,000, to an apartment in Appalachia, where he and a friend now pay $500 each a month.

“I just found it’s a lot of time, and frankly, money,” he says about dating back West. “We’re risking so much for so little.”

But the dating scene in Appalachia, he says, is “not good” either, partly because he’s working remotely.

“Everyone is double my age and lives in, like, the Midwest. There’s just none of that cohesion or fun. The world has changed.”


Some men insist they haven’t checked out of dating. Rather, they have virtual girlfriends who satisfy all their needs.

Over the past few years, start-ups like Replika, Character.ai, and Inflection AI, have rolled out a universe of virtual companions that users can customize to meet their every desire. One alluring chatbot, Eva AI, woos customers with the promise: “Build relationship and intimacy on your terms.” And one influencer, Caryn Marjorie, says she created an AI version of herself—so far with more than 18,000 “boyfriends”—to “cure loneliness.”

And then there are the real-life sirens of OnlyFans, where its 240 million users can purchase the “girlfriend experience,” and get a constant stream of sexts and loving messages in return for cold, hard cash.

Aella, a top OnlyFans performer who makes $100,000 on “a good month,” says a large part of her job is doting upon her admirers like a lover would, listening to them moan about their tough days or absent girlfriends.

“It turns out the thing that men want is not just sex,” she told The Free Press. “They want sex with a woman that likes them.”

Only a minority of her customers are interested in just physical pleasure, she says. An overwhelming majority reach out to her for companionship, or simply to feel desired by a woman. A “big part” of her job, she says, is tending to men who are lonely.

“An important component to a sexual dynamic is to feel valued,” she told me.

Ethan King, a therapist who “treats 90 percent men” in Austin, Texas, says he often has to convince clients to look beyond the girls they see in porn.

“People say they’re totally happy with their porn girlfriend,” he says. “They’re like, ‘It’s too risky. I’d just rather be online.’ ”

But Ian Soltes, a 33-year-old overnight gas station attendant in Bridgeport, Connecticut, doesn’t want to look past his online “friend with benefits.”

He says he first met his online girlfriend on GameFAQs, a video gaming website that hosts message boards, when he was 13 or 14. They play video games together and message each other all day long (he told me he sent her a “hug emoji” during our interview).

“She has been more than willing to be very close and intimate with me online,” he said. “So any sexual urge I’ve had has been handled by that.”

There’s just one problem: they’ve never met in person or spoken on the phone. Soltes said she can’t because she’s mute.

“I’m pretty convinced it’s a lie,” he admitted. “But at the same time, if I challenge her on it, what’s going to happen? I’m going to find out the one person I’ve been close friends with for decades now is a guy? I don’t want to say I already know that, ’cause I don’t.”

He stumbles to find the right words.

“I’d just be losing a close friend, and I don’t want to risk that.”

The U.S. marriage rate is the lowest it’s been in over a century, with a quarter of 40-year-olds having never married (in 1980, only 6 percent of adults fell into that camp). It’s a trend that continues even though research shows married people are happier.

Americans today “discourage commitment now,” says Steven Mosher, the lead demographer at the Population Research Institute. “The expectation 50 years ago was that everyone would eventually get married and have children. Now, that expectation is gone.”

Already, an increasing number of women are going it alone as mothers, freezing their eggs and using sperm donors to procreate. At some point in the future, Mosher says the family—“the fundamental unit of society”—could completely break down. “We’re going to have children born from sperm donors, with no fathers, eggs and embryos frozen suspended indefinitely until someone wants to add a child to her life.

“This is not a happy future for most of humanity.”

Jon Birger worries about the future, too. Not just for men but for women, who he says aren’t being served by the current dating dynamic—or dating apps, which about half of American “never married” adults say they’ve used at some point.

“Their business goal is to retain users,” says Birger of apps like Tinder that want daters to keep searching for love. The day you settle down is the day their profits die.

His advice to America’s young women is to get off the apps and try “mixed-collar dating.”

“When college-educated women restrict their dating pool to college-educated men, they are effectively limiting themselves to a too-small dating pool,” said Birger, the author of Date-onomics: How Dating Became a Lopsided Numbers Game. “And if you exclude firemen, electricians, plumbers, and other folks that don’t have a college degree, you may be excluding people that you would actually really click with romantically.”

Jammall, the security guard in Florida, says he is open to dating someone more educated or successful than he is, and he believes he could bring a lot to the table. Sure, he doesn’t have a million dollars, but he wants to do “the little things,” like cook dinner for his partner and leave love notes around the house. “I’m trustworthy, loyal, and very direct. I’m also very protective, and I’m not afraid to try new things.”

But still, he knows that many women toggle their apps so that men like him—those without a bachelor’s degree, without a six-figure salary—never appear on their feeds.

And he says they’re “missing out” on a lot of good guys.

“The problem isn’t that I don’t have anything to offer someone—I do,” he says. “But I can’t even get my foot in the door. And if they don’t talk to me, what can I do?”
 
Even the butterfaces and chubs have overly-inflated expectations and/or are chasing Chad Thundercock-McMoney.

The underlying subtext I'm getting from all of these articles is that non-chad men shouldn't just aim lower, but just scrape from the bottom of the barrel. And if that means wifeing up a single mother, an obese beastie or a literal retard, then so be it.

I wouldn't be surprised to see future articles extolling the virtues of incels hooking up with troons. Just another layover on the neverending Clown World flight.
We're pretty much at "Be thankful Jennifer will let you help raise her biracial son you fucking chud" level now. I don't see how things can get much lower.
 
They're not interested in marriage. Not anymore, anyway. They'll leach what they can from a guy and move on when the well runs dry (whether it's because he runs out or because he gets sick of footing all the bills). Oh and the kids are always a magnificent excuse for "not tonight, honey." That sure gets "fun."
They call it getting a "starter husband"
"First marriage for money, second for love"

Since my hobbies are masculine in nature, I dont hang out with women and I tend to end up with likeminded men who eventually want "relationships" (sex). Their kindness and friendship isn't real. I am not their friend, just a "piece of ass". They aren't interested in relationships either. They aren't interested in me, my family, or any future together. It catches me offguard everytime. Should I stop believing in men? I feel alone and alienated from everyone as a result.
What you're seeing is basically the reason men and women can rarely just be friends. That said, it is strange you only meet men who want sex and are never interested in a relationship. Either you're giving off the impression that you're of low moral quality, or you're somehow in a place where all the men are of low moral quality themselves (could be an area full of men raised by single mothers). Or maybe you're just ignoring the men you don't find attractive that might be interested in a relationship. I don't know you personally, so I can't say what it is for certain, but those are the possibilities that seem most likely.

As a guy who would like to be in a traditional marriage like my parents, I can tell you guys like me do exist, albeit not that commonly. But we're commonly overlooked for the 6666 guys that just want to pump and dump.
 
What you're seeing is basically the reason men and women can rarely just be friends. That said, it is strange you only meet men who want sex and are never interested in a relationship. Either you're giving off the impression that you're of low moral quality, or you're somehow in a place where all the men are of low moral quality themselves (could be an area full of men raised by single mothers). Or maybe you're just ignoring the men you don't find attractive that might be interested in a relationship. I don't know you personally, so I can't say what it is for certain, but those are the possibilities that seem most likely.
She is into computers and electronics which are now filled with soy and Redditors. A soy treating her that badly is strange, though I can see them not being smooth at all. A Redditor type saying those things seems natural as they are always looking for status and up doots by putting people down.
 
She is into computers and electronics which are now filled with soy and Redditors. A soy treating her that badly is strange, though I can see them not being smooth at all. A Redditor type saying those things seems natural as they are always looking for status and up doots by putting people down.
I can guarantee you that unless you're in Shit Francisco or somewhere similar, a very large portion of guys into those hobbies aren't soyfag redditards. I know plenty of otherwise normal people like that. Hell, I am one. Though her being in one of those megacity shitholes would explain it, I think.
 
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
Assuming you are, it's not hard to avoid the nutters and the terminally online ones. Everyone either works or goes to school. You should know of a few girls who are sane and decent.
"Goes to school"? What are you, 17? We're not talking about girls at your high school, mate.

And yes, every single ADULT woman is terminally online; ffs, even grandmas spend all day on Facebook now. If you do manage to find an adult woman who isn't completely insane, she is 100% certain to be married already, with kids, and probably on her second or third marriage even. There is zero dating market over the mid-20's for men and precious little before then, and what is there is solely for sex, not real relationships. By 30+ all women are insane, terminally online, emotionally damaged, lesbian and/or single mothers, usually disease/drug afflicted, covered in tattoos/piercings, or otherwise ruined by a solid decade of poor choices catching up to her. And typically hugely fat or worse, vegan.

Hell, I can't think of a single woman from age 21 to 55 that I've met in the last decade who isn't sporting a nose ring, tattoos, gauges, is a single mother, or was driven insane by horoscopes, crystals, new age cults, social media addiction, family drama/emotional baggage, or has insanely retarded politics raging about vaccines and orange-skinned literally Hitlerinos.

I do not have high standards, I have about as low standards as I could possibly have. Yet my "no neck tattoos, no meth mouth teeth, no thumb-thick holes in your ears, no holes through your septum" line in the sand effectively rules out 85% of all women my age or younger. What's left is always a 200+ pound harpy with an obsession with new age mysticism, screaming incessantly about her stupid politics, and zero ability to handle money responsibly. Not worth the effort, frankly.
 
And yes, every single ADULT woman is terminally online; ffs, even grandmas spend all day on Facebook now. If you do manage to find an adult woman who isn't completely insane, she is 100% certain to be married already, with kids, and probably on her second or third marriage even. There is zero dating market over the mid-20's for men and precious little before then, and what is there is solely for sex, not real relationships. By 30+ all women are insane, terminally online, emotionally damaged, lesbian and/or single mothers, usually disease/drug afflicted, covered in tattoos/piercings, or otherwise ruined by a solid decade of poor choices catching up to her. And typically hugely fat or worse, vegan.

Hell, I can't think of a single woman from age 21 to 55 that I've met in the last decade who isn't sporting a nose ring, tattoos, gauges, is a single mother, or was driven insane by horoscopes, crystals, new age cults, social media addiction, family drama/emotional baggage, or has insanely retarded politics raging about vaccines and orange-skinned literally Hitlerinos.

I do not have high standards, I have about as low standards as I could possibly have. Yet my "no neck tattoos, no meth mouth teeth, no thumb-thick holes in your ears, no holes through your septum" line in the sand effectively rules out 85% of all women my age or younger. What's left is always a 200+ pound harpy with an obsession with new age mysticism, screaming incessantly about her stupid politics, and zero ability to handle money responsibly. Not worth the effort, frankly.
The only women I know who aren't like that are related to me. And they are all married or in a proper long-term relationship.
 
"Goes to school"? What are you, 17? We're not talking about girls at your high school, mate.
You forget college and post-education are also school, but I digress.
There's underage people all over this site, I'm just including them in the conversation.
And HS girls, being more immature, are more likely than any other female demographic to be the type you don't want to date unless you're only chasing sex.
I specifically mentioned work as well, yet you choose to ignore it.

And yes, every single ADULT woman is terminally online
Lol stopped reading right here. This is just as bullshit as femcels saying "all men are the same" or "where are all the good men!?!?!?" If this is your sincere view of the world, then either accept your fate or leave San Francisco/New York/LA.
Is there an alarming percentage of women who are vapid and superficial? Sure. But to conclude that all women are like that means humanity is doomed, in which case, enjoy; it's the end of the world.
Though that doesn't explain why Pedro is able to bag Britney and have mutts...
 
What you're seeing is basically the reason men and women can rarely just be friends. That said, it is strange you only meet men who want sex and are never interested in a relationship. Either you're giving off the impression that you're of low moral quality, or you're somehow in a place where all the men are of low moral quality themselves (could be an area full of men raised by single mothers). Or maybe you're just ignoring the men you don't find attractive that might be interested in a relationship. I don't know you personally, so I can't say what it is for certain, but those are the possibilities that seem most likely.
I figure this was pretty much my problem; my ideals didn't align with what I was surrounded by, being in the enormous bug hive that was San Diego. Most girls wanted that live fast and die young lifestyle, and the ones who didn't, even the ones at church had higher standards; couldn't see themselves with some bumpkin from some dumb little town no one can point to on a map or other status issues. I wasn't asking for a high 7 or more, I wasn't asking to marry into some high status clan, I wasn't asking to let me hit by the first date; I was aiming for something for a possible long-term, with hopefully kids, a dog, a pink house, and a fucking white picket fence. Yeah I know that probably wouldn't be a thing, but damnitt I'm willing to fucking try. At least I was, I'd like to think I still am, but my outlook is fucking destroyed.

Now that I make six figures and have my own house; I'm suddenly what they're looking for... while they have kids from someone else and not interested in having more.
 
You forget college and post-education are also school, but I digress.
There's underage people all over this site, I'm just including them in the conversation.
And HS girls, being more immature, are more likely than any other female demographic to be the type you don't want to date unless you're only chasing sex.
I specifically mentioned work as well, yet you choose to ignore it.
I work with dozens of women. The other day I looked around and realized that 1) I was the only guy on the shift, and 2) I was the only person who didn't have a fucking ring hanging out of my nose. Even the manager had a nose ring. And at least half of them had ear gauges, which is just pure body horror. At least half of them are college aged and the manager is in her early thirties. Hell, the most normal ones are probably the youngest, simply haven't had time to get all the tattoo work done yet or can't afford it.
Lol stopped reading right here. This is just as bullshit as femcels saying "all men are the same" or "where are all the good men!?!?!?" If this is your sincere view of the world, then either accept your fate or leave San Francisco/New York/LA.
Is there an alarming percentage of women who are vapid and superficial? Sure. But to conclude that all women are like that means humanity is doomed, in which case, enjoy; it's the end of the world.
Though that doesn't explain why Pedro is able to bag Britney and have mutts...
I live in a town of 50k. And this is considered the more conservative area of the state. It doesn't matter where you live, this shit is everywhere, at least in the industrialized western world. I wouldn't live in a city for a billion dollars cash, let alone LA or SF.

I'm sorry you haven't realized that women live on their phones now. Maybe you spend too much time looking at your own screen to notice. Sit down sometime anywhere and look around, and take a count of how many women you see who don't have earbuds in or their faces two inches from their phone. When you realize you haven't gotten past zero yet, you can stop. Even 50-somethings spend all day on their phones, playing dumb mobile games and watching Tiktok or checking out Instagram or whatever site they obsess over now for attention.

If my phone was lost or broken, I'd be annoyed because it's fucking expensive to replace. Knock a woman's phone out of her hand and she starts screaming because you just broke her connection to the hive.

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Pedro bags Britney because he buys her drugs and has no standards. And she's popping out kids because they get more money from the government per kid, and even more if each kid has a different father, which is why there's a weird truck at their house every other week and her kids all have "uncles" they aren't related to. And her pedo brother-in-law has moved into the shitty camper behind their trailer to "help take care of the kids".

Britney's a state-funded prostitute whose kid knocks on my door every fucking day after school because he knows I have a Steam account and won't say no when he asks for a snack while wasting vehicles in Battlefield One, and he really just wants an excuse to stay out of the house while his "uncle" is there.

The only women I know who aren't like that are related to me. And they are all married or in a proper long-term relationship.
Same. Anyone remotely decent is married or a blood relation, or thirty years my senior.

And honestly, even in my own family, most of the women are still insane or broken. I've got several divorcee single mothers in the family, a few drug addicts (though fewer now), several cousins who are covered in tattoos and piercings, and a whole wing of the family are grifting POS who are clinically insane from spending their lives in a JW cult. And one much younger second cousin who, last I talked to her, was seriously considering starting an OnlyFans when she graduates high school. Her parents were trying to talk her out of it, but her tongue piercing tells me she already made up her mind a while ago.
 
Meeting girls who are friends of your friends or their wife/girlfriend or family members will continue to be the best way to meet girls.
Oh of course. Up until the 21st century most people met their partners via their social circle of family/friends/clubs and to lessor extent work.

The advent of the internet, social media has absolutely obliterated that old paradigm and replaced it with a genuine nightmare. Sure dating apps are insanely convenient on paper, but human nature makes them a diaper filled dumpster fire. Throw in onlyfans and social media which have broken people's ability to properly socialize and be genuinely intimate and you have the horror show we call 2023.
The dating apps really have destroyed the dating dynamic, not that it was great before them, but at least women's standards weren't inflated to all hell. The other problem is there's just nowhere that's socially acceptable to meet decent women in real life anymore.
Fucking a. Whenever I go back to one I always end up feeling with a tap dancing monkey doing backflips. If youre a rational, logical man youre drowned in a sea of retard simps telling every woman they come across they make helen of troy look like a dirty pig.
 
For me having a fucking stupid amount of retarded factoids about damn near every sphere you can think of and an opinion on it, with a humorous lens, helps for conversation with anybody.

Like joking about the suicidal penguin from that one documentary, that there's a plant that reacts to loud music, one of the most well-paid performers in the 20th century's act was farting on command into various instruments, etc. Just find a bunch of shit that's interesting and bring it up to talk about, idk. I do that with everybody though, not just on a date or some shit as I'm not really a guy into the big cultural watercooler shit and I abhor talking politics with anybody irl.

The main thing that seems to come up though is this self-conscious weirdness around women specifically. I've never really had that and I find it fascinating when I see/hear it.


None of this is even remotely interesting to women. But if the women were interested in you, they would be willing to pretend to find your riffing endearing.

If they aren't, you have a different problem. Social status, body language, suitability, fuckability, etc. Think in more primate terms; is the sperglord reciting the details of cute animals committing suicide in a social setting where they are trying to get laid going to be able to not get fired at a job or get promoted? What would you do if you had a problem or emergency or say some other dude came to kill you and your offspring? Talk about farting into an instrument?

Not trying to dunk on you, but your not framing your own situation correctly. Women don't care about real world facts or trivia they only care about social facts and social trivia that makes them more easily able to exploit some person or situation for their own benefit.
 
What would you do if you had a problem or emergency or say some other dude came to kill you and your offspring? Talk about farting into an instrument?
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Yes because casual watercooler conversation is indicative of deeper personal traits down to what I'd do in a home defense situation.

I was talking about people being nervous in even approaching women as if they're aliens from a different planet due to not having anything to talk about, not giving advice on how to have conversations on serious issues. And really my advice boiled down to "just talk to them like you would men in a normal, casual setting".
Not trying to dunk on you, but your not framing your own situation correctly. Women don't care about real world facts or trivia they only care about social facts and social trivia that makes them more easily able to exploit some person or situation for their own benefit.
I don't consider it a dunk on me that you somehow think light, casual conversation is something that's being hyper-analyzed for weakness like women are the borg.
 
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And honestly, even in my own family, most of the women are still insane or broken. I've got several divorcee single mothers in the family, a few drug addicts (though fewer now), several cousins who are covered in tattoos and piercings, and a whole wing of the family are grifting POS who are clinically insane from spending their lives in a JW cult. And one much younger second cousin who, last I talked to her, was seriously considering starting an OnlyFans when she graduates high school. Her parents were trying to talk her out of it, but her tongue piercing tells me she already made up her mind a while ago.
I know this archetype. It sounds like a smaller, midwestern town. Many such cases indeed.
 
I know this archetype. It sounds like a smaller, midwestern town. Many such cases indeed.
Scott Greer has a really good episode of his podcast on the wiggerification of the white working class and as someone who's originally from a small midwestern town it's fucking bad.
 
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