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At least in the USA it is transparent through election donations.
From my experience it is like hostage negotiations with three terrorists groups holding one hostage.

Just be careful so they don't try the false police report/blackmail tactic on you.
i have no idea what youre talking about. im referring to working with chinese employees on long term complex projects. No idea what you mean about hostage negotiations. If you're referring to political implications on business, thats absurd because the Chinese government has for the past 20 years or longer never let their internal political skirmishes affect the ability or ease of doing business with foreigners. The chinese didn't build their entire country's GDP by allowing western businesses to get ripped off and blackmailed by con artists. The biggest problem with working with the chinese now is that their labor costs in all the established manufacturing regions are going through the roof.
 
Is this the real reason more diverse companies are supposedly better, workers there already learned how to deal with chink/pajeet bullshit and can therefore score lucrative deals with those nationalies?
yes. Absolutely yes. When I worked at Apple it was probably the most diverse environment I've ever been in, and I'm a white girl. Apple of course didn't hire people just for being Indian or Chinese for the non-software people. I dont know what they did with software. Bu they hired based on experience, education, and generally whether or not yo'd be useful. They hired tons of chinese people who had previously worked for our suppliers. That was kind of the aspirational path for a lot of them. Get job at supplier, work like a dog til you get on a big account, then parlay thgat into a job at Apple. Not a bad deal.

As insane as the execs are at apple and how brutal (it used to be brutal, heard its better now) They did really make an effort to not just hire Ivy League MBAs for jobs like mine. Apple used diversity to its benefit, by looking for a diversity of experiences, many of which happened to correlated to ethnicity, but "diversity hires" was not a thing. I suspect I got hired for a job that was outside my wheelhouse because I was managing a bunch of union guys at an oil refinery so they prob assumed i'd be able to tard wrangle and bare knuckle box with suppliers, based on some of the insane shit i told the i dealt with at my job. I had a degree but it wasnt anything fancy.

I once had a coworker who had come to Apple from Amazon tell me Apple only hired smart indians and that if I worked somewhere else id see how they are generally stupid and hard to deal with. There was also an "indian mafia" of sorts. certain groups led by Indians seemed to be disproportionally staffed with lots of indians. the ironic part is that the directors who tended to do this were among the most demanding and insane. I had Indian friends who would refer to this "indian mafia" phenomena and say they would never want to be a part of it. Both Chinese and Indians told me multiple times never to work for a chinese/indian boss.

edited to add this as well, just another anecdotal experience, but when I was there we had two major suppliers for a phone part. Both big companies, and we allocated demand between them just to mitigate risk in case a factory blew up and to pressure them for cost reductions using extra allocation as a carrot. One was Japanese owned, operated in China and Vietman. Other Chinese owned, very well connected politically. The second got caught in some minor scandal where they were dumping god knows what kind of chemical waste into restricted land/river area. They told us there might be a supply interruption but then it just got "fixed". My boss told me thats a great example of why we neededto multi-source this item and actually led to us kicking off a third source of supply. Those japs might have been line down for months if they had done it.

Any company with a complex supply chain, short development cycle, and custom parts has to be extremely careful about sole sourcing anything. The chip shortage fucked all the phone manufacturers, and Everyone has spent decades trying to get away from having to rely on Qualcomm for chips and Apple had to use Samsung Batteries and displays forever. Those meetings were pure entertainment if you could get in but not have to talk. Korean execs Vs. Apple execs who hate eachother, both used to shouting orders at minions, havinh to behave themselves and walk out with a deal that will literally be scrutinized by Tim Cook and Mr. Samsung or whoever their guy is.
 
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Good to know tho, what would be the sign to look out for?
It really depends. If things go south, expect for them to make false police report with witnesses or under oath. I can't explain it well other than you'll know.
They told us there might be a supply interruption but then it just got "fixed".
You worked for a major global company that contracts out and that (probably) explains why you don't have major issues. I don't know if you've been on the ground before because I've seen some crazy ass shit before outside of work and in it.

Example: Local municipal PSB: "You can't transit through here. That travel document and those central government issued permits are invalid and fraudulent. No, you can't call the embassy phone number we somehow just magically know". Jokes on them since you call up the PSB of Shanghai/Beijing instead and you get to hear the telephone receptionist (a civilian) threaten them with treason charges. Or if you've got brass balls, call up the state level Ministry of State Security (glow spooks that are FBI+CIA).
 
It really depends. If things go south, expect for them to make false police report with witnesses or under oath. I can't explain it well other than you'll know.

You worked for a major global company that contracts out and that (probably) explains why you don't have major issues. I don't know if you've been on the ground before because I've seen some crazy ass shit before outside of work and in it.

Example: Local municipal PSB: "You can't transit through here. That travel document and those central government issued permits are invalid and fraudulent. No, you can't call the embassy phone number we somehow just magically know". Jokes on them since you call up the PSB of Shanghai/Beijing instead and you get to hear the telephone receptionist (a civilian) threaten them with treason charges. Or if you've got brass balls, call up the state level Ministry of State Security (glow spooks that are FBI+CIA).
I've spent nearly a solid month in a factory in Shenzhen. I literally know thousands of Americans who travel to china and do business there, for small and large companies. If you are there on a business visa and for some reason I cant fathom you piss off a person who owns a company off enough that they want to to fuck you over, I suppose its possible that if they think that inconvenicing you is worth ruining whatever reputation they've built with American customers, then they can file a police report and local police will knock your door. What happens next is that you show them your passport and they leave or they take you to jail and escalate it up the chain until the embassy is involved. Art each point, the authorities are incentivized to just let you go because they don't want to bother their boss over stupid bullshit. The worst they can do is deport you. like I said, the Chinese government does not want to make doing business and buying from them seem dangerous or risky.

Even retarded expats who go to china because they are unemployable here in the US dont get randomly fucked with or arrested traveling between provinces. All those people do is bitch about Chinese bureaucracy and corruption and I guess if what you're saying actually happened it was probably in some tier 7 shit hole and they were bored and trying to get you to pay them 20 dollars. The crazy shit that happens in China is like when a guy I worked with was having chest pains and clearly needed to go to to hospital and the factory just made him wait until their "doctor" could look him over' He died a few minutes after his onsite exam of a heart attack in front of us. I think its very possible he would've lived if they had called an ambulance instead of having him wait for 45 minutes. Have you actually had a deal go bad and then get arrested because of a false police report? If so, what did they claim you did?
 
Have you actually had a deal go bad and then get arrested because of a false police report? If so, what did they claim you did?
That one's not about China and was a completely different job. More my personal interactions towards Indians (dot not feather) in the states. I've been accused of with of stealing customers shit when CCTV shows the contrary and shit. They pulled the same bullshit with our black employee too.
Oh, and they then sued us.
tier 7 shit hole
Most of my work was outside the tier 1/2s (and tier 3/4s too) urban cores, and what you would call middle of fucking nowhere. Personally, I also don't get the "不知道" or "听不懂"excuse.

They wouldn't pull that bullshit in the tier 1-3s because they know they can't get away with it. Shanghai and Shenzhen are "friendliest" towards foreigners out of the major cities.
Then again, some retards push their luck by doing shit by renting an apartment with a view of a PLA base (Illegal) and got a free vanning by the MSS.
 
I had a print shop that I had to close down thanks to COVID. I still have some equipment at home for when I buy back the machines that I had to sell. I wish that I could open soon so I could start printing tshirts and stuff again
Is there even a point to brick and mortar anymore for this business type?

Even though there is stiff competition with stuff like Tspring, I feel like internet is the way to go. It's just shift the marketing a little bit, because you need to go out of your way to find customers or have them find you.

Quality is also so low across the board that you can get away with a heat press in many cases, and the tshirts themselves are pretty good margin.

You advice here especially on Indian men has worked wonders.

I’m the only guy the Indians like and they were very happy to see my face again LMAO. My boss doesn’t think they like him but I keep bringing them back.

Your advice helped me understand what the fuck they were trying to do with me and what expectations I needed to balance.

The guy literally has sent everyone he knows to our store.

It's also important to understand that with both Chinese and Indians, "negotiable" goes both ways.

They will agree to your price if not given another choice, but will under deliver, take shortcuts, or lower the quality. Then act surprised when you complain about it.
 
The other side of the coin to this, don’t bother wasting your time on certain people. There are people who will simply want to waste your time.
Yep. There are certain ethnic groups in particular who think your time has no value, and consequently will waste it. If I hear an Indian or Chinese accent, I know the person I'm talking to is either just a tyre kicker or is trying to find out what the project is really worth, so they can try to scam someone else into doing it for far less.

Also, Greeks are the DUMBEST race of people I've ever had to deal with. They will do things that are utterly retarded, dangerous and sometimes outright illegal, in their quest to save money. I work at the high end of my industry and everyone I associate with there regards Greeks as the absolute worst people to deal with.
 
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That one's not about China and was a completely different job. More my personal interactions towards Indians (dot not feather) in the states. I've been accused of with of stealing customers shit when CCTV shows the contrary and shit. They pulled the same bullshit with our black employee too.
Oh, and they then sued us.

Most of my work was outside the tier 1/2s (and tier 3/4s too) urban cores, and what you would call middle of fucking nowhere. Personally, I also don't get the "不知道" or "听不懂"excuse.

They wouldn't pull that bullshit in the tier 1-3s because they know they can't get away with it. Shanghai and Shenzhen are "friendliest" towards foreigners out of the major cities.
Then again, some retards push their luck by doing shit by renting an apartment with a view of a PLA base (Illegal) and got a free vanning by the MSS.
ok so even though i wrote in previous comments that i have no experience working in India you brought up incidents involving blackmail and false police reports and only now clarifyign that you meant India. I also dont believe your story about being blocked from from intra-province travel in China. Can you show any evidence in the form of chinese or american media that suggests an expat rented an apartment in a restricted zone and got evicted because of its proximity to a military base? it seems like youre just generally complaining about random experiences which happened to involve chinese or indian nationals. how does that contribute to this thread? It offers no actual insight into doing business in other countries. I f you had a coherent story about something specific that happened (and where), why you think it went that way, and how you resolved it then your post would add to the discussion.
 
I started a business importing shit from Alibaba to sell online, any advice?

I eventually want to make unique products so you'll know it's me when Chris Chan's iconic shirt goes back into production.
 
I started a business importing shit from Alibaba to sell online, any advice?

I eventually want to make unique products so you'll know it's me when Chris Chan's iconic shirt goes back into production.
shit nigger I am looking to do the same thing but havent pulled the trigger yet. I'd love to hear about tips and tricks for alibaba as well. sounds like you are buying textiles/apparel?

do you have them send you samples first?

I'm doing private label apparel and a few things are custom so we are doing it all in LA. my intro qtys are small (under 100) so I'm looking at wholesale brands like canvas for tshirts and then my deisgner has a network of factories who are quoting the custom shit and the screen printing and embroidering. theres a lot of stuff on alibaba that looks nice and I could slap my label on it. things like beach towels, duffle bags, other beach shit. i wish there was a way to figure out which sellers are doing actual "grey market" stuff. I wanna buy moto goggles and brand them myself. they look exactly like a premium brand but with the logo smudged out. but i gotta get samples first. One piece of advice given to me that makes sense is that the sample they send you is going to be a "golden" sample hand picked and without defects. You will receive some items with defects when you order. One way to try to get ahead of this, even as a small customer is to put together a spec sheet and have them commit to as many specific details as possible. for example a shirt with buttons, you could say they have to use a certain width of thread to sew them on. I worked in a shitty clothing store in college and some orders would arrive with every goddamn button popped off before we even unwrapped it.
 
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shit nigger I am looking to do the same thing but havent pulled the trigger yet. I'd love to hear about tips and tricks for alibaba as well. sounds like you are buying textiles/apparel?

Make sure there is shipping all the way to your location, sometimes they only include shipping to an American port (LA usually) and the rest is up to you to arrange. Thus far I've made two purchases and I'm waiting for delivery, not sure if the freight company will be a pain in the ass or not.
Also get your paperwork as a company first: the sales tax/VAT is a use tax so if you're a retailer you can submit paperwork to be exempt.
do you have them send you samples first?
Not yet but I probably will, you gotta pay out the ass for it to come in a timely manner.
 
I have this retarded fantasy where i go to a few different countries and just fill a container with items that I know I can import at reasonable cost and make a huge profit on. I live near the Oakland port so i wonder if they would let me show up with a u-haul. I have this fantasy especially with Japan. I would fill that bitch with so much stuff that would sell in the US and I'm guessing theres plenty of stuff I could send the other way as well. Once you get a cadence of shipping both ways, thats when i think the money gets good.
 
I started a business importing shit from Alibaba to sell online, any advice?
Sometimes you might get really lucky if your buying stuff that was made extra in case of Q/A failures, it'll be just like legit stuff from a brand minus the branding.
I also dont believe your story about being blocked from from intra-province travel in China.
It is a thing. Especially outside of the tier 1/2s. The law is written intentionally vague so they hammer you with it if they want to. Thankfully most of the Han Chinese urban areas don't give a shit because it's bad for buisness like you said.

Foreign looking folks get a pass on dumb shit/crimes with the 不懂 excuse usually because they don't consider that a major enough national security issue. But then conversely you stick out like a sore thumb so they'll keep you out of the "bad looking" places.
East Asian looking folks (me) can get into these places but if it's ID restricted you get turned away immediately because no 不懂 excuse.


Tibet is a bit special since there's an ongoing border conflict and a cold war, so I won't talk about that aside from TAR business travel is a black box voodo magic ritual. Don't bother unless you can get approval of all the transiting location party secretaries and central government approval, you can still be denied with a permit at the discresion of the TAR's local PSBs.

Most of these places are out west, you get "asked to leave" if its around the dates of some unrest (Dalai's birthday, etc), or if they think there might be something that will happen. You'll know because there will be military police everywhere.
Places like Linze (Gansu), Lhamo (Gansu), Golog (Qinghai), Huangnan (Qinghai), Delingha (Qinghai), Lingshui (Hainan), Yanbian (Jilin), Golmund (Qinghai), Kangding (Sichuan). Most of these are pretty small places.

People who don't look Han Chinese will have issues in Xinjiang/Tibet outside a tour group. They don't usually care in Lhasa. Sometimes the PSB don't know the damn rules either.

Can you show any evidence in the form of chinese or american media that suggests an expat rented an apartment in a restricted zone and got evicted because of its proximity to a military base?
I'll try to find a link but these rarely get mentioned in Chinese news. Local attiudes really play a role here. Some places just don't want trouble because it affects the economy. Again, I don't get the 不懂 excuse so YMMV.

Example: If you stay adjacent to Yulin harbor (Sanya, a resort town) you might land in hot water. There is a PLAN naval base that you could possibly see. I know one guy got arrested in 2017(?) for taking pictures of the naval vessels, got vanned and dissapeared. I was staying at a friend's place when the MSS knocked. Conversation was basically:
Why are you here? (Buisness)
Who is your buisness partner? (X)
Are you aware that this apartment is under a new military restricted zone as of tomorrow? (no)
Are you aware you can see naval vessels that are state secrets? (No)
Do you have a non-phone camera? (no)
Do you own this place?(no)
Let me see your device photos.
Just for your information, the MSS arrested this guy a few weeks ago for X. Do yourself a favor and don't do anything stupid - bad for your buisness and ours.
If you are outside a major town or tourisim area it becomes more unfriendly.

As to what is "restricted".

The law just says it is foribidden for foreigners to enter a "restricted area" but the list is non-exaustive and not avalible to the public. Designations of these are the usually by the Armed forces or the Ministry of State Security (MSS). Think of it like East German Staatssicherheit.

First, you've got the English & Chinese "Military restricted area" /(军事管区) that's properly labeled in big red and white letters with manned checkpoints and high walls you obviously can't enter. You'll know when you see it, more important ones have road barricades to prevent "accidental" entry with armed guards.
Examples: National Defense College, August 1st building (PLA HQ), critical infrastructure (dams, power plants, etc) random ass farm plots responsible for PLA food production (This is a thing).

!!But!! the area surrounding the zone is vaugely defined. Generally if you can see, hear into it big nono. You'll be fine walking past most of them in the tier 1-3s as long as you aren't retarded to stare at them or take pictures.
Usually the PAP (Gendarme) is responsible for guarding these and the MSS does the investigations. Some are partially open to foreigners like hospitals, expect tedious bureaucratic bullshit, foreign IDs are not used with their database systems and they will make a one time use ID for you. The 不懂 excuse does not usually work here.


Then there's the intentionally vague ones (Unmarked military, dirty industry, etc. Usually patrolled by PLAP or "Teqin" (No guns SWAT with a long ass cattle prod on astick and riot shields). Response varies between eye roll and asking you to leave, detaining you and searching all your belongings for photo/video and releasing you, to charged with spying. The ones in Tibet/Qinghai/Xinjiang/Beijing play fuck around and find out since they all carry firearms.


Finally there's the "(Technically) open to foreigners" where you need to find someone to lodge you because local hotels cannot/will not process your ID to register with the PSB which is required by law. Even then you might get fucked because the PSB will tell you to leave first thing in the morning. Most of Tibet/Qinghai/Xinjiang outside tourist areas and most tier 4+ (I used to because they don't want to bother since it's a pain registering foreigners in the internal system.

Here's a recent reddit link. I hate reddit but it should show you that this isn't me spewing bullshit.
 
I started a business importing shit from Alibaba to sell online, any advice?

I eventually want to make unique products so you'll know it's me when Chris Chan's iconic shirt goes back into production.
Build social media pages around niche topic and push your shit there.

0 acquisition cost and a good way to keep updated on what's the new thing in that niche so you can push new products on a consistent basis, dropping the least performing each time.

I advise against having too much inventory. It increases costs and risk and ties up capital that could have been spent on better opportunities. You'll know when you need more.

Once you have customers, look into ways to exploit your data to sell them more stuff they may need or be interested into.

One way to try to get ahead of this, even as a small customer is to put together a spec sheet and have them commit to as many specific details as possible. for example a shirt with buttons, you could say they have to use a certain width of thread to sew them on. I worked in a shitty clothing store in college and some orders would arrive with every goddamn button popped off before we even unwrapped it.

That's pretty much it, and it's not much more complicated than that. It's not full proof, but that's the way to go.

Be extremely specific and always check your stock immediately after delivery. On everything, especially sizes if you order different ones. They sometime just throw in what they have.

Start with smaller orders. It's better because it will allow you to develop a better relationship with the supplier. If they see you grow and re-order frequently, they will remember you and treat you better than a random one off with larger quantities. Especially if you want lower quantities the second time around.

Complain immediately when there is an issue (size, color, quality etc), send photos, be clear about the issue. Ask for a replacement. If they want you to ship back, agree on their cost. If they refuse to replace, start over with a new provider. That's also why it's nice to diversify suppliers, this way you don't end up absolutely helpless if something happens. At low scale, it's better to split them by item categories and see where it goes.
 
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ok so even though i wrote in previous comments that i have no experience working in India you brought up incidents involving blackmail and false police reports and only now clarifyign that you meant India. I also dont believe your story about being blocked from from intra-province travel in China. Can you show any evidence in the form of chinese or american media that suggests an expat rented an apartment in a restricted zone and got evicted because of its proximity to a military base? it seems like youre just generally complaining about random experiences which happened to involve chinese or indian nationals. how does that contribute to this thread? It offers no actual insight into doing business in other countries. I f you had a coherent story about something specific that happened (and where), why you think it went that way, and how you resolved it then your post would add to the discussion.
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Just revisiting this thread so a bit late. I got one about not looking into people's background.

Not exactly someone I hired as an employee, but someone I ended up working with where we would generate leads for his company.

Guy turned out to be very unreliable and cost me a lot of money in the process. Mostly opportunity cost because I could have sold them to someone else, but still.

I got curious and Googled his name. Come to find out this dude was arrested like 10 years back with a massive amount of pills in a car going to a festival. This was taking the lower half of Google Search results on the first page, so I had no excuse.

Since then, I do Google some people if I have a doubt. With employees always. But it's different, I mostly see who's retarded or not rather than who is a felon. You would not believe the kind of shit you find :

  1. Body positivity/feminist/activist/political failed blogs
  2. Freelance job postings with blatant false or wrong info
  3. Insane twitters
  4. MLM or crypto scams

The list of stupid shit you can find on people going two pages deep on Google is sometimes really crazy.
 
So I got my first shit for sale on ebay, I've got crystal jewelry so I'm doing all the shit tommy tooter brags about doing except I didn't get scammed trying to import gemstones.
 
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