💪 Tough Guys Patrick Sean Tomlinson / @stealthygeek / "Torque Wheeler" / @RealAutomanic / Kempesh / Padawan v2.5 - "Conservative" sci-fi author with TDS, armed "drunk with anger management issues" and terminated parental rights, actual tough guy, obese, paid Quasi, paid thousands to be repeatedly unbanned from Twitter

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Divine right to rule said:
Archive that shit, my man.

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Will Ferral said it best: "That escalated quickly". Patrick, I hope you are reading this.

Jesus Christ Patrick, your dumb cunt "media liaison" friend did you a favor hooking you up with people who could get "your story" out there so you could win the hearts and minds of people, bring them around to help your cause and you couldn't even make it a month before you start insulting these people? Do you deserve eveyrthing thing that has happend to you? I don't know that is between you and your higher power but, holy shit are you begging for it all to happen to you.
 
Procrastinhater said:
That's what I mean, it's one thing using nuclear explosions as a means of propulsion, but using it to slow down from like 1/3 light speed or whatever the fuck you'd need to get to Tau Ceti in 200 years... that ship is going to take a hell of a beating, shit, even the Vengeful Spirit is probably going to be feeling it taking nukes to the nose for hours at a time...
The scene on the Battlestar Galactica remake, where Galactica tanks a Cylon nuke, I've got a book written by the guys that were the tech advisors for the show, and real physicists, and they were saying despite the less effective nature of nukes in a vacuum, it's still got to be tough to tank a nuke going off right next to the hull, and they worked out the hull plating on Galactica would have to be 5 meters of Tungston Carbide to take a 100KT nuke like that, if it was in contact with the hull when it detonated.
And that was just one.
The Ark's going to be flying into hundreds of them, one after the other, and not using it to be pushed away by ablative plate vaporizing, but to slow down from 300KPS or whatever crazy speed Pat said.
The Spirit could probably take it, but anything less tanky than that...I'm pretty sure the guys that came up with this propulsion method abandoned it for a good reason.
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It would be traveling at a constant ~17628 KPS, or ~5.9% the speed of light in a vacuum on a ~200 Earth-year relative journey from Earth to the Tau Ceti solar system. I could make it more accurate, but I'd need relative acceleration data to reach and decelerate from that velocity, and I have no idea what the relative acceleration is for a ship of that size mass/shape is to a given nuclear blast of a certain size.

This is the kind of shit 'Rick didn't even consider with his writing. He just waved his hands in the air and made shit up. Of course, he has to wave his hands and make shit up because he had a non-Physical Education weighted HS GPA of 1.2, which is just barely more than a flat D average.
 
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Manul Otocolobus said:
It would be traveling at a constant ~17628 KPS, or ~5.9% the speed of light in a vacuum on a ~200 Earth-year relative journey from Earth to the Tau Ceti solar system. I could make it more accurate, but I'd need relative acceleration data to reach and decelerate from that velocity, and I have no idea what the relative acceleration is for a ship of that size mass/shape is to a given nuclear blast of a certain size.

This is the kind of shit 'Rick didn't even consider with his writing. He just waved his hands in the air and made shit up. Of course, he has to wave his hands and make shit up because he had a non-Physical Education weighted HS GPA of 1.2, which is just barely more than a flat D average.
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This is what makes it so hard to write "hard" Sci Fi well, and why I have immense respect for people like Baxter, with his Xeelee Sequence (although a lot of that is so far advanced compared to the tech we can conceive of, with the Xeelee living inside Event Horizons, the Photino Birds, etc, that it requires a lot of suspension of disbelief) or Heinlein or Clarke, that can pull it off convincingly.
It's a lot easier to to handwave stuff like Warp Drives and artifical gravity and things than to weave in the sort of details and calculations "Hard" Sci Fi requires and not leave the average reader losing concentration or interest.
Done right though it can also ground the reader in the story a lot better, but Pat isn't the sort of guy that knows how to do this, leaving a lot of holes in his stories if you sit back and start to ask questions.
Personally I'm a big fan of Early 20th Century pulp like Ashton Smith, I don't need the details Heinlein or Asimov put in, I just need a good comfy story that keeps me entertained. Pat doesn't seem to be very good at this either.
Its a shame because as other posters have noted, his settings can have some great hooks, a murder mystery on a Generation Ship, for instance. Its just the execution where he drops the ball, and it doesn't help that he can't spell, he mistakes terms like eclectic and ecliptic, and that his editor was dyslexic and doesn't pick on on these little things either.
Pat hasn't got a bad imagination, he just doesn't have the talent to make a gripping narrative from it, and he seems to be too lazy to learn his craft well enough to fix it.
Stephen King is a woke joke, but his book On Writing explains the process brilliantly, and for all his dumbshit political views, Kings record as an author speaks to itself. Its a book Pat would do well reading, imo.

Burd Turglar said:
@Manul Otocolobus so hes a run of the mill garbage Sci fi writer? Careful man, with his level of disregard for reality, he could start scientology 2.0.
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I've read the Battlefield Earth novel. Even Pat is a better writer than L Ron Hubbard.
 
Divine right to rule said:
Archive that shit, my man.

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"We're being HUNTED FOR SPORT! We've had to talk to police officers multiple times! I get a lot of mean texts! People call me fat on Twitter! It's a living nightmare!!!"

It's also funny how insistent Fat is that his "family" is being targeted. His family is only him and Nikki, and really the one being targeted is him. I've never seen anyone on either forum claim to have contacted Nikki, and why would they? She's not hilarious to fuck with like porky is. I guess she's had to deal with the cop calls, but the real fallout on her is just having to deal with Fatrick's reaction to it, and she's the one who chooses to stay with him. This "my FAMILY" shit is just another part of the breathless, hysterical way he frames all of this, see also "terrorists and criminals". It's not very dignified to admit you're being trolled and cyberbullied as an adult, so this lunatic gangstalking narrative is in Fat's grease-clogged brain the masculine and cool alternative. He probably thinks he sounds like an action movie hero with this "you came after MY FAMILY!" horseshit.
 
Procrastinhater said:
It's a lot easier to to handwave stuff like Warp Drives and artifical gravity and things than to weave in the sort of details and calculations "Hard" Sci Fi requires and not leave the average reader losing concentration or interest.
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That’s it in a nutshell. The more realistic you make your space books the more miserable your story becomes without storytelling skills that Patrick lacks.

Andrew Weir did a good job in “The Martian” of working out the details of a manned landing on Mars and what could happen if things go sideways. He makes sure to let us know there’s food and shelter and reasonable limits on all of that.

Patrick wants that kind of respect for his stories so he shamelessly watches the YouTube intro video to Project Orion and runs with it. That’s why we have The Flip - he’s gonna start blasting bombs out the back of the ship to decelerate. See? It’s hard sci-fi infant child because I also get artificial gravity by spinning a habit around the axis of the ship. I’m doing it! I’m a big boy writer now!

Except he can’t conceive of how redundant a spaceship has to be in order to run for long periods and how crazy overbuilt the monitoring systems would have to be so the last of humanity doesn’t die to a gas leak or lack of power in storage cells or having the lake slosh out of its basin and drown people if the gravity fails (thanks for that visual Procrastinhator).

Personally I prefer pew pew space lasers and the whoosh of spaceships doing hard banked turns in space before they hit their Turbo button and blast Cylons out of the sky. Give me rockets powered by big sparklers landing on the jungle planet Venus and fighting vicious bug men to save the Princess. That’s some good shit. Big fleet maneuvers in space and the high drama of pilots and troopers and an implacable alien foe eventually getting beaten by clever thinking and daring is glorious. It’s sad to me that these stories are out of fashion and we instead get drek by Chuck Wendig and Captain Kamala lecturing us on the superiority of women in Patrick’s books. Tedious.
 
Procrastinhater said:
"hard" Sci Fi
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TurboNAS said:
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this may be a question better suited for the literary subforum here but this talk about sci-fi got the noggin joggin'.

these days, what is sci-fi to most people? i've surmised over my life that sci-fi was initially a "what-if", and it was written by knowledgable folks who knew their fields, and the science was plausible. these days it seems to have been spiritualized and refined into anything that has cool pew pew lasers and space ships and aliens and there's not much in the way of philosophy or meticulous thinking about humans in extreme, unusual conditions.
 
OtherLastTrainHome said:
this may be a question better suited for the literary subforum here but this talk about sci-fi got the noggin joggin'.

these days, what is sci-fi to most people? i've surmised over my life that sci-fi was initially a "what-if", and it was written by knowledgable folks who knew their fields, and the science was plausible. these days it seems to have been spiritualized and refined into anything that has cool pew pew lasers and space ships and aliens and there's not much in the way of philosophy or meticulous thinking about humans in extreme, unusual conditions.
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I'm mostly talking out of my ass because I read one book a year (and it's usually something pre-2000s).

I would assume "YA Fantasy In Space", since that seems to be the only market anybody is writing books for. I don't even think space is important to sci-fi, and wouldn't consider "set in space" to be the bar for sci-fi, but it seems like that's all it takes now. It's definitely the vibe I got from the first chapter of Starship Repo, and the Amazon reviews seem to love it.
 
Manul Otocolobus said:
It would be traveling at a constant ~17628 KPS, or ~5.9% the speed of light in a vacuum on a ~200 Earth-year relative journey from Earth to the Tau Ceti solar system. I could make it more accurate, but I'd need relative acceleration data to reach and decelerate from that velocity, and I have no idea what the relative acceleration is for a ship of that size mass/shape is to a given nuclear blast of a certain size.
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The worst part is when you know enough about space, travel, and physics to realize that to make this journey you would actually be accelerating nearly constantly for the first half and decelerating for the second. If you were capable of reaching a particular speed that could make it within the desirable schedule, you would need just as much energy to decelerate you near the end.

The thing to remember about space travel is any acceleration in doesn't get lost to things like drag, so unless you turned off the engines pretty quickly so that you would have just as much fuel left to decelerate at the far end, you would be constantly going faster and faster right until the halfway mark where you need to turn everything around and slow the fuck down.

This comes from a fantasy nerd. You know the type of person who would rather sit here and debate hard versus soft magic systems and nitpick the details of dragons over the nuances of space travel. And while I haven't read the book nor paid particular close attention to all this, to me, it seems like Pat intends for these people to decelerate from a notable percentage of the speed of light right near the end. You don't even need to understand anything more complicated than basic Newtonian physics to start to see the issues. I guess you could decelerate by using abrasive shielding on the front of the ship and skim it along the atmosphere of every celestial body as you go by on your way into the star system, but that would be an incredibly inefficient and dangerous maneuver to do more than once to correct for some minor velocity issues that I would not want to risk the entirety of my ship on.
 
AnOminous said:
"this machine kills fascists" stickered laptop (that he actually does that is an act of the fattest faggotry imaginable).
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Wrong as always, stalker. Every single one of those urban youth was wearing Hugo Boss and the armband. Noooooo, I did not dress them up like that, those are your delusions again. You will wait for the Knockwurst.
 
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