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Ganja glut: In some states, cannabis businesses say they are in danger of failing due to a flood of licenses that is oversaturating the market

Prices have plunged even as dispensaries complain of high taxes and red tape

Industry group warns pot business is 'on the verge of collapse' without reforms

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Across the US, the legalized marijuana industry is buckling under the strain of plunging prices, patchwork state regulation, and burdensome taxes, analysts and industry groups say.

'All of these issues are chipping away at the health of the industry to the point where I would describe the industry as in crisis in the United States,' Beau Whitney, senior economist for the National Cannabis Industry Association, told DailyMail.com this week. 'This is unsustainable from an economic perspective.'

Currently, the recreational use of cannabis is legal in 23 states, and last year state-regulated medical and recreational pot sales topped $26 billion nationwide, according to Vangst. But even while sales soar, dispensaries say eking out a profit is growing harder, as a glut of weed production pushes prices lower -- a boon for blissed-out pot consumers, but a bane for growers and retailers. In California, dispensary chain MedMen, once dubbed the 'Apple store of weed,' teeters on the brink of financial ruin, while in New Jersey a trade group warns the industry is stagnating in a 'doom loop' due to licensing delays.

'Sadly, the legal cannabis markets demanded by countless Americans are on the verge of collapse if common sense, practical reforms are not enacted urgently,' the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA) warned in a report this month.

Across the US, the legalized marijuana industry is buckling under the strain of plunging prices, patchwork state regulation, and burdensome taxes, experts say Because the marijuana industry is regulated independently in each state where it is legal, the specific issues the industry faces vary from state to state. But the industry's fractured nature may be part of the problem, says Whitney, because any excess supply is officially trapped within the state it was grown, due to a federal ban on interstate sales of marijuana.

On the West Coast in particular, that has meant a glut of oversupply that has sent prices plunging. When legal sales began in Oregon, a pound of cannabis might have gone for $3,000 wholesale, while now it might cost $100 to $150, Isaac Foster, co-founder of wholesale distributor Portland Cannabis Market, told the AP in April. In Washington, which has some of the highest cannabis taxes in the country, the prices consumers pay in legal dispensaries can be even cheaper than illicit weed, due to the huge quantity of excess pot being grown in the state.

Nationwide, just 24 percent of companies in the cannabis industry are profitable, down sharply from 42 percent last year, according to a survey conducted by Whitney's consulting firm, Whitney Economics. Whitney told DailyMail.com that in addition to pricing pressures, cannabis businesses are struggling under tax burdens, because federal law prohibits them from deducting business expenses from income taxes like a normal business would. As a result, he said, companies in the pot trade are often paying an effective federal tax rate of up to 70 percent -- on top of the state and local excise taxes levied on sales.

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In California, dispensary chain MedMen, once dubbed the 'Apple store of weed,' teeters on the brink of financial ruin, as it struggles under crushing debt.

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One of the largest outdoor legal marijuana grow operations in Santa Barbara County is seen near Buellton, California this week. The West Coast has suffered under a glut of weed as cultivators are legally prohibited from selling out of state.

In Michigan and Massachusetts, flood of new licenses threatens established dispensaries​

In Michigan, monthly cannabis sales set new a record of $276 million in July, but retailers say they are struggling to turn a profit as the state issues new licenses for growers and retailers each month, according to Bridge Michigan. Michigan currently has 2,080 active licenses for recreational use, more than half of them belong to class c growers or retailers, who can can possess up to 1,500 plants. Last month, the state received 97 applications for recreational use and issued 87 new licenses. Michigan also levies steep state taxes on weed, and retailers face a 10 percent excise tax in addition to a 6 percent sales tax.

Meanwhile in Massachusetts, dispensary owners say low prices and a flood of competition threaten to put them out of business. Kobie Evans, who opened Pure Oasis dispensary in Dorchester in 2020, and a second location in Boston this summer, told the Boston Globe this week that he fears for the viability of his business. 'It's actually very, very scary,' Evans said. 'When everyone was speculating about the industry, back in 2016, '17, '18, we all had these high hopes and all these grand expectations.' But he added that, now, 'The reality is setting in that there isn't this pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.'

In many states that have legalized weed, lawmakers have prioritized cannabis licenses for applicants who were impacted by the war on drugs, such as through a former marijuana-related conviction. But Whitney warned in a recent economic report that this goal, while admirable, should be balanced with forecasting to determine how many licenses a state market can reasonably bear. 'Unlimited licenses ensure opportunities for smaller and social equity applicants, yet this approach leads to a propensity for oversaturation of supply, resulting in lower prices, tighter margins and economic stress for operators across the supply chain,' he wrote.

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Kobie Evans, owner of the Pure Oasis dispensary (above) in Boston, told the Boston Globe this week that he fears for the viability of his business


In New Jersey, dispensaries blame red tape and licensing delays for cannabis 'doom loop'​

At the other end of the spectrum, cannabis companies in some states say they are being stifled by regulators who refuse to issue enough licenses to let the legal industry flourish. On Tuesday, the New Jersey Cannabis Trade Association issued a report blaming state regulators for the industry's slow growth in the state. The trade group, which represents the majority of cultivators and dispensaries in the Garden State, said the industry is in a 'doom loop' due to licensing delays and a lack of enforcement against illicit products. 'The root cause of the weaknesses in New Jersey’s cannabis industry is straightforward: The Cannabis Regulatory Commission’s anemic pace of licensing operators has suffocated the legal market,' the group's report said. 'We're advocating starting with the removal of the bureaucracy,' Todd Johnson, the group's executive director, told the Philadelphia Inquirer. 'We are making it difficult right at the point of entry for no reason.'

New Jersey currently has 37 operating recreational cannabis dispensaries, and 13 that sell only medical marijuana. Legal recreational sales in the state began with 12 adult-use retailers in April 2022. Whitney noted that, when state regulators don't allow the legal industry to grow to meet demand, illicit markets for pot thrive, raising concerns about safety and quality standards as well as lost tax revenue for the state. 'You're just not getting the types of benefits from the legal cannabis program that you would normally, so there's a balance there,' he said.

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On April 21, 2022 people lined up at a New Jersey dispensary as weed sales became legal. Now a trade group in the state says the industry is in a 'doom loop' due to licensing delays and a lack of enforcement against illicit products.
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Pot enthusiasts celebrate '420 Day' in April in New York City, where bootleg weed retailers operate with impunity and vastly outnumber licensed dispensaries.

New York City Sheriff Officers raid and confiscate products in a store that was illegally selling marijuana and cannabis without a license in January. In New York City, the number of corner bodegas and illicit dispensaries selling weed without licenses is estimated to top 1,000. In New York City, delays in rolling out licenses have resulted in a free-for-all of bootleg weed retailers operating with impunity. New York set aside its first dispensary licenses for people who had pot convictions or relatives who did, complexities that slowed the rollout after legalization of recreational use in March 2021. Since then, just 15 approved retailers have opened in a state of nearly 20 million people.

In New York City, the number of corner bodegas and illicit dispensaries selling weed without licenses is estimated to top 1,000.
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While there have been some attempts at enforcement, authorities are reluctant to be seen as re-criminalizing pot.

Ban on interstate trade leaves Western states with supply gluts​

Meanwhile, some in the industry are holding out faint hopes that President Joe Biden's administration will clear the way for marijuana trade among states that have legalized the drug. That would allow the West Coast - with its favorable climate and cheap, clean hydropower for indoor growing - to help supply the rest of the country, they argue.

'Now, that already occurs through the illicit channel,' noted Whitney. 'But if they had interstate commerce, then it would be more formalized. And then you'd have a balance, you'd have more demand to consume all that excess in the West, and you wouldn't need to set up all this growing infrastructure in the East.'

How states have set up their markets has implications for how their industries are doing now - and how they might fare should businesses be allowed to sell out of state. Washington and Colorado were the first states to legalize recreational marijuana in 2012. Many of the early regulations Washington adopted to keep the Justice Department at bay - including restricting the size of growing facilities and banning out-of-state investment - remain in place.

That has helped some smaller growers thrive. But it could hamstring those hoping to compete in an interstate marketplace alongside larger, more efficient producers from Oregon or California, who operate under fewer limits. In Oregon, where sales began in 2015, large growers have achieved some economy of scale that could give them a leg up in a broader market. But in the meantime, the state's oversupply is considered the nation's worst.

In February, the Oregon Liquor and Cannabis Commission reported marijuana businesses were sitting on about 3 million pounds of unused cannabis, as well as 75,000 pounds of concentrates and extracts.
 
this goal, while admirable, should be balanced with forecasting to determine how many licenses a state market can reasonably bear
But why? Assuming ensuring weed supply is a neutral or admirable goal (it isn't, but please don't be the "but I had breakfast" guy), why are commercial growers owed a business model? Why can't every pothead have his or her own couple of plants if the living arrangements allow it? There are no restrictions on the sale of, say, coffee machines to ensure the prosperity of coffee shops.
 
California's problem is multi-pronged.

1. They thought all the independent sellers would get a business license and start paying taxes; imagine my shock when they didn't.
2. They regulate the shit out of and with it still on the Federal ban list, having commercial endeavors is very difficult; to include unable to have business bank accounts and direct deposit.
3. They allow private citizens to cultivate like 6 plants of their own in their own home/backyard.
4. They allow cartels to have illegal grows that help contaminate the ground and ground water, as well as menace innocent people.

They'll let these things coexist and not understand why it's not pulling in all the taxes they want.
 
Prices at legal dispensaries are hilarious compared to just finding some dude to buy weed from
You dont smoke, or dont live in a "darker" area, I'm guessing. The hood nigga weed around here has been coming with a fentynal bonus.

Not a problem for me, I just go to the same guy I have been going to for almost 2 decades. Hes not a dealer in the traditional sense, he just enjoys growing and hooks up family and a few friends. I've seen his grow. I've helped him harvest. I'm set. Also hooks me up raw organic honey and fresh eggs, among other things. Everyone should be so fortunate to have a friend like that.
 
The funniest part is how it shows how incompetent government is at running anything.
When cartels and hell's angels can run illegal weed distribution cheaper, more profitable and more reliably than legal government approved businesses ...

Anytime the government steps in to "fix things" they just end up making it worse.
 
The hood nigga weed around here has been coming with a fentynal bonus.

Not a problem for me, I just go to the same guy I have been going to for almost 2 decades.

True, I guess "find some guy to buy weed from" is bad phrasing. I have a similar situation where I just buy weed from a personal friend I've known for years now that has the right connects, don't really need to go searching for a good dealer.

Still, knowing a guy who knows a guy is a lot cheaper and comparable quality to actually having a dispensary nearby a lot of the time.
 
A friendly reminder that California legalized weed hoping the Cartels that have been growing illegal weed would play along and pay taxes.
Actual retardation. In what world would people that love Funkytown and Sweet Child o' Mine, political assassinations and actual beheadings just go along with paying taxes on weed they grow themselves and that they are making a profit out of? These are the retards that we elect to represent us.
 
It's funny how these people are complaining that they are struggling to operate legitimate businesses when what they're doing is illegal at a federal level.

"But muh state legalized it!"

Yes, as if that was going to solve everything. Good job willingly involving yourselves in criminal enterprises, retards. It's not going to get any easier.
 
A friendly reminder that California legalized weed hoping the Cartels that have been growing illegal weed would play along and pay taxes.

What instead happened were the Cartels continuing their operations and haven't stopped flooding the market with illegal marijuana plants and shops. So while the recreational growers are getting fucked by the state taxes, laws, rationing and competition, the illegals still get to keep the lion's share and continue to not supporting the California government and doing every single thing legal growers are not allowed to do. And some Cartels actually grow in the middle of the freaking desert.

It's not just California, it's the fact that every pothead arguing for legalization quoted the same "you could get x tax dollars from legalizing weed" for years without taking into account that the entire drug market won't just instantly turn legitimate and start filing taxes.
 
I'm old enough to remember when "legalizing weed will drive prices down to cheaper than illegal prices, thus further incentivizing people to buy weed legally" was a main selling point of the whole thing.

I stopped supporting the legal weed grifters when I realized how much it was just that, a grift. Any state that has legalized it has just seen cartels fronting as VCs and actual VCs made up of retards sinking millions of dollars into startups and the entire thing is just a moneymaking scheme the same way drug dealing ever was.

Just fucking legalize the plant for home growing you faggots.
 
It's not just California, it's the fact that every pothead arguing for legalization quoted the same "you could get x tax dollars from legalizing weed" for years without taking into account that the entire drug market won't just instantly turn legitimate and start filing taxes.
Yup. I blame the Libertarians for this argument.
 
It was pretty big news in Canada recently that Hershey's former Canadian plant in Smith's Falls, Ontario that was taken over by a cannabis company has now been sold back to Hershey's, probably due to marijuana being nowhere near as profitable as chocolate.

I was never interested in marijuana in the first place but every legal weed shop I've seen seems super seedy and not the sort of place I'd want to enter.

It was always obvious that there was a boom-headed-to-bust market on the retail end caused by the rush to get to market first and FOMO.

My town has an independent pot shop in every strip mall that must have spent a fortune on slick-but-tacky-and-ugly branding for their storefronts that popped up overnight.

I recently noticed that one prominent one near my neighbourhood used to be one of the last open retail spaces until 10 or 11 pm, suddenly is closing at 7 & 8 pm.

Then there's the parallel economy of unregulated of pot shops on native reserves, mirroring the boom cycle in the city, but from a much sketchier angle.

Reserves with less than a mile of highway frontage are packed with gaudy signage for three different pop-up trailers and shacks hucking weed alongside cheap gas, cigarettes and fireworks.
 
There's a special place in hell for all the dopeheads that lobbied and supported so hard for soma to become legal. The industry collapsing is a good thing and if we're lucky we can go back to when it was illegal.
 
Really? Causing the price of a product to drop from $2000/lb wholesale to ~$700-$800/lb when production costs can range from $10,000-$20,000/month+licensing fees destroyed an industry? I'm shocked I tell you utterly shocked.
 
Really? Causing the price of a product to drop from $2000/lb wholesale to ~$700-$800/lb when production costs can range from $10,000-$20,000/month+licensing fees destroyed an industry? I'm shocked I tell you utterly shocked.
Its funny because actual dealers, at least the ones I've known, are usually really good at math. But the one variable nobody can calculate is always government, so here we are.
 
I'm old enough to remember when "legalizing weed will drive prices down to cheaper than illegal prices, thus further incentivizing people to buy weed legally" was a main selling point of the whole thing.

I stopped supporting the legal weed grifters when I realized how much it was just that, a grift. Any state that has legalized it has just seen cartels fronting as VCs and actual VCs made up of retards sinking millions of dollars into startups and the entire thing is just a moneymaking scheme the same way drug dealing ever was.

Just fucking legalize the plant for home growing you faggots.
The dumbest thing ever was letting the government get involved. All I've ever wanted is to not get hastled and grow my weed. I don't need a store, dabs, name brand edibles...it's all fucking gay.
 
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