💰 Grifter Callum Nathan Thomas Edmunds / MauLer93 / MauLer and the EFAPshere - Objective discussion about not-Channel Awesome featuring Rags, Southpaw and more!

[Hankus McSix]

Isn't the Velma show set in like a high school? They're suppsoed to be 15 or smth right? Why is there sexual shit in the show?

 

[Shieldman]

Except the people who hate-watch their content usually pirate it.
We at KF Movie Night sometimes watch this crap to laugh at it as well and we never pay for it.

I agree with your post but I have to indicate that most zoomers/normies are too stupid to figure out how a torrent works (or depending on where they live, too dumb to use a vpn to cover their tracks) so the "hate watching helps bad shows" argument it's not entirely without merit, even if I don't believe in it myself.

Of course they're going to talk about the newest woke show, they benefit monetarily from it. Velma just keeps showing up on my timeline, the show's so hated the clout is insane. The only exception seems to be when a show doesn't make too much noise, for example Cowboy Bebop live action had a lot of pre-release hype due to the casting and the actors being retards, but it dropped like a turd right after opening day so it didn't have THAT many videos made.

Next Drinker show

 

[Cheeseknife]

Because it's literally their job to do so, it's how they make money.
Why does Tucker Carlson talk about things he doesn't care about? Because it's news and he's a news anchor.
You might not like their takes on things but this is a silly argument.

My question was existential. People do a lot of things to make money, but people don't always do things because money is to be made from it.

Even Tucker realizes he's a stooge made to talk about whatever nonsense has transpired over the week so his gawkers have something ooh and ahh about before they pat themselves on the back for feeling more superior than the folks Tucker berates. Nothing, however, is achieved other than a sense of self-satisfaction. He's preaching to the choir and being parasitic off folks like CNN, MSNBC, and other Lefties his viewers are taught to hate on the day-to-day.

As for the social media anger mongers--EFAP, Drinker, etc--they are no different. They make money off repeating the same sentiments over and over again whilst throwing some shit in the background of a video on subject-matters they've never cared about until that point. As a result, you don't take away anything new or exceptional nor do you gain a better love for the product in question. All you're left with is a feeling of superiority that you're not like those people whom your favorite YouTuber told you to hate.

Except the people who hate-watch their content usually pirate it.
We at KF Movie Night sometimes watch this crap to laugh at it as well and we never pay for it.

So, because you pirate it, everyone else who hate-watches it must also pirate it?

Sounds like you're trying to justify your own theft there.

Yes, for sure, and that's happened with almost every sequel made after 2015. But I have to wonder how large the adult demo is. Setting aside the character abuse everyone is complaining about, why did HBO think it was a good idea to greenlight a blood n sex Scooby Doo show?

Velma was just trying to capitalize on the same tonal degeneracy as a lot of what's marked the internet in the past 10-20 years. In the end, not much separates its tonal content with South Park except South Park's jokes have a history of being well-written and attacking everyone rather than focusing on one particular political group. That being said, South Park was its own show.

The formula here seems to be to take your favorite childhood cartoons, and just add sex, drugs, blood, and gore to it all and add an extra helping of wokeness. They were probably trying to copy Harley Quinn's format of being a degenerative as possible. What's funny is, amidst the gratuitous violence and death, frequent mentions of sex and sexual innuendo and pixilated genitalia, they also force themes of "female resilience" and "female empowerment." And this virtue signaling is, somehow, not intended to be comedic but must be taken absolutely seriously.

Maybe it's too hard to get your audience to feel anything anymore unless you take something nostalgic and turn it into Happy Tree Friends.

Isn't the Velma show set in like a high school? They're suppsoed to be 15 or smth right? Why is there sexual shit in the show?

Keep in mind, a lot of anime romcoms are also set in high school. The difference here, however, is most anime romcoms try to be wholesome in one way or another.

Of course they're going to talk about the newest woke show, they benefit monetarily from it. Velma just keeps showing up on my timeline, the show's so hated the clout is insane.

For me, it's the equivalent to George Orwell's "Two-Minutes Hate." It's all a cathartic response to our woke adversaries meanwhile you scarcely see anything actually being done to remove wokeness from society alltogether. While I understand it, I've never wanted to climb aboard because all you've really become at that point is another of a long line of sheep. So many people bandwagon for no other reason other than that it's just politically expedient to to so. They're being encouraged not to think.

 

[Gloria The Glorious]

Yes, for sure, and that's happened with almost every sequel made after 2015. But I have to wonder how large the adult demo is. Setting aside the character abuse everyone is complaining about, why did HBO think it was a good idea to greenlight a blood n sex Scooby Doo show?

If you will entertain a conspiracy theory: maybe they weren't pitched that. Maybe they just greenlit a adult show that focused on Velma, and then simply gave the creators some do's and don'ts (like how they weren't allowed to use Scooby himself) and then they got stuck with this.

 

[Berrakh]

The bad economy means people aren’t willing to take chances on anything with blatant queer and bipoc themes but will still pay to see patriotic films like Top Gun.

This is, truthfully, partly due to mainstream audiences having “bad taste” and not wanting to be challenged. But saying that implies the narcissism of “marginalized groups” has much depth. And it does not.

Lastly, since I can see the future, the wokists will use Avatar 2 to say their media is “actually popular” since it definitely had woke themes behind the special effects and alien setting.

A real challenging film would be something like the Sopranos where you’re enjoined to sympathize with a criminal or an outsider but then it’s revealed that their perspective on things was always a self-absorbed one that would peddle any lie or delusion to justify itself. It would cut against the notions and narratives that are actually hegemonic culturally.

 

[Kars den Karb]

If you will entertain a conspiracy theory: maybe they weren't pitched that. Maybe they just greenlit a adult show that focused on Velma, and then simply gave the creators some do's and don'ts (like how they weren't allowed to use Scooby himself) and then they got stuck with this.

I'm not ruling out anything, but there's still the question of "where is the audience for an adult show based on Scooby-Doo?" If they did standard market research then they would have data indicating some level of adult viewership.

Lastly, since I can see the future, the wokists will use Avatar 2 to say their media is “actually popular” since it definitely had woke themes behind the special effects and alien setting.

A real challenging film would be something like the Sopranos where you’re enjoined to sympathize with a criminal or an outsider but then it’s revealed that their perspective on things was always a self-absorbed one that would peddle any lie or delusion to justify itself. It would cut against the notions and narratives that are actually hegemonic culturally.

Yeah I can already hear them now. I will say this though, Way of Water is the exception that proves the woke/broke rule. There is almost no amount of idiocy audiences aren't willing to set aside to watch photorealistic alien oceans.

The Sopranos is a great example of challenging art, for sure. I think Chase succeeded partly because the downfall of the characters was in the same tone as the rest of the show, lacking melodrama. Ironically he's also responsible for a total abortion of a "challenging" movie in The Many Saints of Newark.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Lastly, since I can see the future, the wokists will use Avatar 2 to say their media is “actually popular” since it definitely had woke themes behind the special effects and alien setting.

People, for years now, have noted that Avatar is built on what's known as the "White Savior Complex." Essentially meaning the white man integrates himself within a native culture and becomes even better at everything they do than they could ever be. Moreover, he is the one who saves them from the inevitable doom that comes (usually in the form of capitalist white people).

What's funny is this entire narrative is built on white guilt but it also glorifies white people at the same time. So, it's essentially cathartic medicine for woke whites. White woke culture still sees itself as the savior of marginalized groups, but in a way that continues to marginalize them as needing to be saved by them from evil white capitalists.

However, as we know, you can never be woke enough:

By the way, I totally forgot that James Cameron's form of "female empowerment" was to have a pregnant woman fight battles. Just think about that for a moment. This would indicate that peak female empowerment is signaled by a woman who has very obviously had carnal relations with a man. James Cameron is probably the only person in the world who can call a pregnant woman a win for modern feminism and get away with it.

 

[Berrakh]

Ironically he's also responsible for a total abortion of a "challenging" movie in The Many Saints of Newark.

The subtext of that movie might as well have been “actually you should be cucked, white man”

Not just because the Italian girl sleeps with a black guy but because the argument the film puts forward is not simply that a mob boss’ anger is coming from a place of entitlement but that white people’s anger is illegitimate while black people’s anger is totally justified.

The truth is that most black outrage is as entitled as Dicky Moltisanti or Tony Soprano.

Mauler would never!

 

[Gloria The Glorious]

The bad economy means people aren’t willing to take chances on anything with blatant queer and bipoc themes but will still pay to see patriotic films like Top Gun.

This is, truthfully, partly due to mainstream audiences having “bad taste” and not wanting to be challenged. But saying that implies the narcissism of “marginalized groups” has much depth. And it does not.

Lastly, since I can see the future, the wokists will use Avatar 2 to say their media is “actually popular” since it definitely had woke themes behind the special effects and alien setting.

A real challenging film would be something like the Sopranos where you’re enjoined to sympathize with a criminal or an outsider but then it’s revealed that their perspective on things was always a self-absorbed one that would peddle any lie or delusion to justify itself. It would cut against the notions and narratives that are actually hegemonic culturally.

I actually disagree with the challenging thing. Not because there's no truth to that, as a film normie I don't typically need Hollywood to try and pretend it's the Bible especially when it seldoms has more to teach than what my local highschool did. No, I disagree simply because I noticed some trends between those two films:

• Both films allow the male character to be the hero (Even in Avatar 2, main blue cat thing is allowed to be the main blue cat thing ready to fight and die for his family even when wife blue cat thing unapologetically cheats on him)
• Both are not lore heavy but rely on basic plot beats from the previous films.
• Both are sequels to movies that haven't had entries in years/decades.
• Neither of them tell a large portion of the audience to fuck off and stop being an issue.
• Neither film have the "Marvel humor" issue.

I think what we'll see is that only 1-2 films at a time win, or the box office is spread much more thinly; the films that win are likely to be familiar films that haven't had a film in theaters in a year or two at minimum. Bringing this back to Disney, they're too big to benefit from this when you remember they spent $70 BILLON on Fox's entertainment brand and only have a single billion-dollar film (that apparently cost a stupid amount to make if James Cameron is to be believed) and have several movie studios that are going to have to compete with each other to survive. Compare that to Paramount with Maverick single handedly funding the next Sonic Movie in all likelihood, the former they already owned and the later the can take credit for swooping up from Sony.

And to flip all of this back to MauLer, new Kratos is just a worse version of main blue cat thing because he's not allowed to even be the hero thanks to his past actions since subversive God Of War also subverts the forgiveness and moving on that the original games had. Lol. Lmao even. Kek and cope, mald and bald.

 

[huecoffs02]

Both films allow the male character to be the hero (Even in Avatar 2, main blue cat thing is allowed to be the main blue cat thing ready to fight and die for his family even when wife blue cat thing unapologetically cheats on him)

I NEED to watch this movie now holy shit are you serious?

 

[Gnillik Yot]

There's a stealthier trend that I haven't heard anyone talk about so far. The zoomer audience seems to be separating toward two opposite poles: the terminally online and the normies. There are a lot of 18-25 year olds with almost no cultural literacy in current or former cinema/tv, which by the way is great, but it's a huge change from the millennial generation, which is passingly familiar with Disney classics, Harry Potter, LOTR, Titanic, the Matrix, etc. On the terminally online side, you have people who are hyper-aware about everything, often in an ideological way from the left or the right,

I agree that we can divide the Zoomers into normies and the politically inclined, but I don't know where you're getting the idea that the normies are ignorant of current pop culture trends. The complete opposite seems to be the case. Normie zoomers are hyper aware of pop culture. The normies are the girls uploading TikTok videos of themselves doing the Jenna Ortega Wednesday dance. While the politically inclined zoomers are fighting with each other over Last of Us and Rian Johnson. In short, I have never met a zoomer who was ignorant of current pop culture.

 

[Cheeseknife]

I agree that we can divide the Zoomers into normies and the politically inclined, but I don't know where you're getting the idea that the normies are ignorant of current pop culture trends. The complete opposite seems to be the case. Normie zoomers are hyper aware of pop culture. The normies are the girls uploading TikTok videos of themselves doing the Jenna Ortega Wednesday dance. While the politically inclined zoomers are fighting with each other over Last of Us and Rian Johnson. In short, I have never met a zoomer who was ignorant of current pop culture.

To an unhealthy degree, I would reckon. I'm just basing this on the manner by which SK and Southpaw were invested in what they were consuming. It's like religion for some of these folks. This stuff is defining who they are. And our modern media is keen on just vomiting it all back out at us.

In Star Trek: Into Darkness, why does it matter to Kirk and Spock that this enhanced human being they picked up calls himself "Khan"? Because the line wasn't tailored for them, it was tailored for the audience. How does Rey even know about Han Solo's Kessel run details? Simple: because its fan trivia. Her character is the embodiment of a Star Wars fan, so that's her character. We're supposed to like her because she has franchise awareness. Why are we supposed to like She-Hulk? Because she learns how to twerk. Because twerking was trending at one point in time. She-Hulk has pop culture awareness, so that's her character. We're supposed to like her because she is aware of social media trends.

This stuff is everywhere in mainstream media. Nothing is self-contained anymore. Everyone is self-aware or acting in accordance with trends, even if it doesn't make sense in any of their particular fantasy universes. MK11 has Shao Kahn say, "Let's make Outworld Great Again." In GoWR, Odin says "ex-wife" and "disgruntled co-worker" and also says, "oh god" in exasperation while talking to Kratos. Thor says, "Keep her name out of your damn mouth!" in a game released the same year that Will Smith slapped Chris Rock.

There's probably a ton of other details I could mention here that would fill a ream. Modern media just seems intent on strangling everyone with their own nostalgia.

 

[Kars den Karb]

I agree that we can divide the Zoomers into normies and the politically inclined, but I don't know where you're getting the idea that the normies are ignorant of current pop culture trends. The complete opposite seems to be the case. Normie zoomers are hyper aware of pop culture. The normies are the girls uploading TikTok videos of themselves doing the Jenna Ortega Wednesday dance. While the politically inclined zoomers are fighting with each other over Last of Us and Rian Johnson. In short, I have never met a zoomer who was ignorant of current pop culture.

Oh no not pop culture - the definition of pop culture is stuff embraced by normies. I'm talking about movies and TV. Hollywood is still a huge industry and there are still breakout hits, but its importance as a source of entertainment has been largely supplanted by the internet. Memes often get more attention than the original material. Doing the Wednesday dance doesn't mean you care about the show.

Another way to track this phenomenon is the disappearance of the movie star and of global celebrity in general. The movie star is not just a famous actor, it's someone who can put butts in theater seats with just their name. This class of celebrity does not exist anymore.

In Star Trek: Into Darkness, why does it matter to Kirk and Spock that this enhanced human being they picked up calls himself "Khan"? Because the line wasn't tailored for them, it was tailored for the audience. How does Rey even know about Han Solo's Kessel run details? Simple: because its fan trivia. Her character is the embodiment of a Star Wars fan, so that's her character. We're supposed to like her because she has franchise awareness. Why are we supposed to like She-Hulk? Because she learns how to twerk. Because twerking was trending at one point in time. She-Hulk has pop culture awareness, so that's her character. We're supposed to like her because she is aware of social media trends.

This stuff is everywhere in mainstream media. Nothing is self-contained anymore. Everyone is self-aware or acting in accordance with trends, even if it doesn't make sense in any of their particular fantasy universes. MK11 has Shao Kahn say, "Let's make Outworld Great Again." In GoWR, Odin says "ex-wife" and "disgruntled co-worker" and also says, "oh god" in exasperation while talking to Kratos. Thor says, "Keep her name out of your damn mouth!" in a game released the same year that Will Smith slapped Chris Rock.

These are symptoms of industries that are cannibalizing themselves, chasing hyperconsumers who keep up to date with this stuff as more people simply drop out.

 

[Cheeseknife]

The channel Actual Fandom recently did an interview with SK Comics where they talk about the drama between Southpaw and EFAP.

SK joins them around 36:00.

I can't stand to listen to these guys for more than a few minutes, so if anyone manages to get anything noteworthy amidst all SK's fundamental hypocrisy, please let me know.

By the way, know what's really remarkable? For a channel that boasts 6.13k Subscribers, this video (which was streamed about 4 hours ago as of this post) only accumulated 570 views, 68 likes, and 4 comments. That's 0.0009% of their subscribers.

So, just to let everyone know where quality has gone, you don't even need to watch this video. I'll post it, but you don't even need to watch it.

https://youtu.be/xFEmulv5tdo

This is a REACTION video. In other words, these people who used to produce SCRIPTED content, who used to devote time and effort into their analyses and reviews, are now being actively incentivized to REACT to trending topics. This precludes any investment these people have or have had in said topics. It's just become a business to them and their subscribers are the new consumer.

This is how the people become exactly what they purportedly hate. What's still funny and extremely ironic is that, at the end of his TLJ review, this is exactly the kind of person that Callum warned told his viewers to warn him away from becoming. He either has zero hindsight or he is just just now finding out why the want to chase postmodernism is extremely lucrative which means ignoring your principles and just going with the flow.

By the way, thanks to the Kiwi Farms Moderators for doing the work you do. Sorry to sound like a kiss-ass, but I've taken notice of your handling the disjointedness of my posts and I must say, damn good job fixing my shit. Let me know what I can do to improve.

 

[Hankus McSix]

Keep in mind, a lot of anime romcoms are also set in high school. The difference here, however, is most anime romcoms try to be wholesome in one way or another.

I am proud of the fact that my only exposure to weeb culture is like first 15 minutes of Princess Mononoke so I really would not know. I just find it weird that an animated series meant for adults, written by a bunch of adults features sexual shit in a high school with a bunch of 15 year olds, not saying that anyone envolved is a pedophile or anything but it's just weird.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lE5GJVBDNcQ
The channel Actual Fandom recently did an interview with SK Comics where they talk about the drama between Southpaw and EFAP.

SK joins them around 36:00.

I can't stand to listen to these guys for more than a few minutes, so if anyone manages to get anything noteworthy amidst all SK's fundamental hypocrisy, please let me know.

By the way, know what's really remarkable? For a channel that boasts 6.13k Subscribers, this video (which was streamed about 4 hours ago as of this post) only accumulated 570 views, 68 likes, and 4 comments. That's 0.0009% of their subscribers.

Yeah I tried to watch the Pillar of Garbage one and I couldn't do it. I haven't seen such a low energy scuffed show in a long time. I got to give it to Efap that they're shows aren't as shit as that. I don't think the pressence of S.K. with his retarded ape voice whinging about Mauler being friends with people he dislikes is gonna make the podcast any better. It's just funny how desperate this faggot is that he comes onto these irrelevant tiny channels with absolute retards like Organized Chaos.

At this point S.Ks vendetta against Mauler is almost a parody, it's like a revange motivation you'd see in a comedy movie. But these people are real and that's sad.

By the way, thanks to the Kiwi Farms Moderators for doing the work you do. Sorry to sound like a kiss-ass, but I've taken notice of your handling the disjointedness of my posts and I must say, damn good job fixing my shit. Let me know what I can do to improve.

I am no mod but try and minimize double posting.

EDIT: Also lol! I went back to read comments under the Organized Chaos Efap episode on GOWR. And it's hilarious

How little self awareness this audience has considering the moral fagging in the Synth man episode

 

[Kars den Karb]

This is a REACTION video. In other words, these people who used to produce SCRIPTED content, who used to devote time and effort into their analyses and reviews, are now being actively incentivized to REACT to trending topics. This precludes any investment these people have or have had in said topics. It's just become a business to them and their subscribers are the new consumer.

This is why I unsubbed from WCB. At first it was short, punchy content about SW and toy sales and then it was endless notifications for podcasts where they just sit around and read superchats. I will say this, though. Unlike the attempted social engineering from megacorps, they are simply letting their retarded audience lead them down the path of least resistance. Apparently there are enough people out there who enjoy paying a bunch of nerds to camp in an apartment and broadcast random conversation.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I guess you start buying superchats when you don't have anyone IRL to talk about Star Wars with.

 

[Cheeseknife]

This is why I unsubbed from WCB. At first it was short, punchy content about SW and toy sales and then it was endless notifications for podcasts where they just sit around and read superchats. I will say this, though. Unlike the attempted social engineering from megacorps, they are simply letting their retarded audience lead them down the path of least resistance. Apparently there are enough people out there who enjoy paying a bunch of nerds to camp in an apartment and broadcast random conversation.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I guess you start buying superchats when you don't have anyone IRL to talk about Star Wars with.

I've bought maybe one or two superchats in my time, but for the most part I've come to see them as a desperate attempt at "Senpai, notice me!"

As time goes on, I have developed far more respect for streamers who actually try to converse with various members of their chat who actually have something interesting to say rather than just pick out the people who had to pay up front just to get attention drawn to them. There's not a high turn on investment, especially if the person who reads it doesn't really understand what you meant or hasn't put any amount of thought into it at all and just moves onto the next one.

 

[Kars den Karb]

I've bought maybe one or two superchats in my time, but for the most part I've come to see them as a desperate attempt at "Senpai, notice me!"

As time goes on, I have developed far more respect for streamers who actually try to converse with various members of their chat who actually have something interesting to say rather than just pick out the people who had to pay up front just to get attention drawn to them. There's not a high turn on investment, especially if the person who reads it doesn't really understand what you meant or hasn't put any amount of thought into it at all and just moves onto the next one.

Yeah, it's much nicer when the streamer is genuinely interested in the chat instead of just glancing over when Pavlov's colored button appears. But as much as it sounds like I hate superchats as a concept, I don't actually. I just hate it when lazy content (if jabbering with your friends could even be called that) stretches on for hours and hours and people incentivize it.

 

[Laughing Jackass]

Because it's literally their job to do so, it's how they make money.
Why does Tucker Carlson talk about things he doesn't care about? Because it's news and he's a news anchor.
You might not like their takes on things but this is a silly argument.

Except the people who hate-watch their content usually pirate it.
We at KF Movie Night sometimes watch this crap to laugh at it as well and we never pay for it.

Yeah, the idea people will buy things they hate to see them is stupid in an age where a good search will get you a free stream, no downloading even required.

You have a hard enough time as it is getting people to pay for things they like now, why buy shit you don't like?

 

[Cheeseknife]

why buy shit you don't like?

People will return to the liquor store to purchase more alcohol despite the fact they had an awful night full of vomiting and/or had a terrible headache the next morning.

The analogy is that it's easy to get off on something you have an intense hatred for, but it's far from fulfilling. It's fun to talk about how those people are producing more and more woke shit and destroying your childhood because it makes you feel good and righteous inside. It doesn't solve anything in the long run because none of those people will ever listen to you nor care about what you say anyway. But it's fun to imagine it, so you gotta chase that high.