Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Godzilla@1989]

Inquisitor lightsabers are the worst lightsabers imaginable. They’re way too goofy and aren’t convincing enough to warrant a compelling fight.

 

[Travoltron]

Will never get over Toshiro Mifune turning down the role of Obi Wan because his stupid agent advised him not to. He regretted it for the rest of his life.

Lucas totally stole Kurosawa's stuff to make his own version of The Hidden Fortress and the more you examine it the more you find that he lifted. It is interesting to me however, that this happened not once with Kurosawa, but twice. (Magnificent Seven anyone?)

Kurosawa successfully sued A Fistful of Dollars for ripping off Yojimbo.

I dunno about Mifune. I like him, but I'm not sure if he would have been right for this. I feel like Alec Guinness' amazing performance elevated the movie. He had the clout to ignore Lucas' "faster, more intense" demands that hurt the younger actors' performances.

 

[Creep3r]

I don't know I think it was just something he wanted to prove to tell off the fans that Star Wars should go into a more darker and mature route like that canceled 1313 game that was going to be M rated. I still remember the news from back in 05 when ROTS came out and revealed it was going to have a PG-13 opposed to PG (why Disney wars got PG 13 that oppose to George's movies is beyond me) as with the other movies due to it being the darkest of the saga.

I'm not expecting Star Wars to go full hard R and have blood swearing, sex or nudity. Just make it grittier with more suggestive and mature themes. (I know rogue one try to go that route but we all know the story of behind the scenes).

You might as well try to push the limit of a PG-13 rating as far as you can kind of like how Marvel is doing with the MCU. I want more mature storytelling and not Netflix drama with a sex scene every other scene.

Filoni Wars wasn't even that mature tbh outside of violence. Its plot and writing style was on par with the usual TV-Y7 saturday morning adventure shows that would feature bloodless death and occasional drama, the difference it tried to pass itself off as a show for teenagers and older. It was only during the first season, specifically in the Rookies episode where they mixed it up a bit more by featuring swearing, but otherwise many of the plots were the usual episodic shit that just featured a lot of bloodless clone and jedi deaths to separate it from the rest. The only outstanding thing the show achieved imo was being the most expensive and best looking cgi show of its time (regardless of how awful the character designs are and how poorly Anakin, Obi-Wan and Yoda's Genndy's designs were translated to 3D) and to this day Disney still can't achieve the same level of quality, with even their shittier season 7 recycling assets and featuring the same handful of recycled aliens in jumpsuits for background characters.

Even before Filoni Wars though George was willing to allow SW to go down darker routes, as seen with some of the Dark Horse SW comic, NJO, or even Force Unleashed, etc which featured torture, blood, sex, space drugs, mutilation, suicide, etc and instances of implied rape. However there was a point around 1994 in which former Lucasfilm editor Kevin J. Anderson claimed that Star Wars had become infested with "politically correct types" who wanted to make SW more kid-friendly and tone down the mature aspects, however Anderson told this to George who agreed with Anderson on keeping mature themes such as spice being drugs.

That was actually from some discussions with the LucasFilm people. I was writing Han going into the spice mines of Kessel, where he used to smuggle the spice out. I was told by some politically correct people at LucasFilm, “Spice can’t be a drug because Han was smuggling it… that makes Han a drug dealer! You can’t have one of our main characters be a drug dealer!” I said, “It’s spice, and he’s running Imperial blockades, what did you think it was?” They said, “Well, it’s like a food flavoring!” He’s not gonna be flying through Imperial blockades with a ship full of oregano! [laughs] It was actually a discussion.

They didn’t want Han Solo to be a guy smuggling drugs because he’s one of our good guys. I went, “You know he was a scoundrel, and he redeemed himself and joined the Rebel Alliance?” It got to the point that we were butting heads enough that we sent a letter up to George Lucas to say what our conflict about what spice was: was it a drug? A food additive? Something else? George wrote back. I love this; he wrote back, “Of course it’s a drug!” My compromise was to not make it something like crystal meth that people were dying from; we had to make some decent aspects of it, Han still is our main character, you don’t want him to be Walter White selling crystal meth!

It seems their influence started to wane as time went on, although it seems George still agreed with them in regards to trying to make Han more heroic which inevitably led to the divisive Greedo edit or making a Jar Jar a goofier version of Tahei and Matashichi. Although its not too surprising since even as far back as the 80s when the Ewoks cartoon was airing, Lucasfilm (presumably with George's consent or partial consent) took away a lot of creative control from Paul Dini and his team for season 2, making the show more kid-friendly and "zany" to meet with more standards and attract younger viewers for the sake of merch sells, which ultimately resulted in the show's ratings suffering severely. Its a period I've always been interested in learning more about and how much editors and censors at Lucasfilm fluctuated.

The main protags still have to be white so they can sell the movies overseas.

That was so stupid. I didn't know Anakin's child murdering lightsaber that no one cared about for 30 years was a magic wand like in Harry Potter and it calls to Palpatine's children.

I guess none of it was really to most fans at the time. TLJ being bad just made people realize TFA was bad too.

And that's my problem: Why does Han and Leia's son, their only child, have to turn out to be such a fag? It's cringy fanfic garbage and I'm pretty sure Han's son turning evil was one of the more hated parts of the EU.

The way they went about it was such shit though. Han's got no backup plan and no clever ideas. He just walks out on a bottomless pit then gets killed by his gay son. No dying in a dignified blaze of glory, just something way more pathetic and dumb. If you're gonna kill off Han fucking Solo, do it right. You might as well not killed him at all. I guess the fans got what they wanted, but I hated it.

Nostalgia's a hell of a drug.

Luke was "done dirtier" from a certain point of view, but they were all treated like shit. I hated what TLJ did to Luke but that doesn't take away how Han, Leia, Chewie, R2, 3PO, Lando, etc were portrayed.

I guess most people don't care because he still acted like a dumber version of Han from ANH (which was the problem) then died like like a bitch the way they wanted him to. Jake is a completely different person. Does that make his death another piece of mindless fanservice?

How so? Also I thought we established Star Wars was about Space Samurai Monks with laser swords for 12 year olds.

I have to agree. Making Han and Leia's son a literal retard with zero redeeming qualities just for the sake of an irl rebellious troon allegory just makes the setting and characters look even more idiotic and backtracking Han's character development for the sake of memberberries is the most shameless form of pandering (even Jacen Solo was a likeable dude before his turn to evil at least).

TFA was essentially Star Wars for people and xoomers who didn't really give much of a shit about Star Wars outside of obsessive childhood nostalgia or the consoomer need for more merch regardless of the quality of the film and the worse quality of the merch. Disney made a movie mainly targeted at wokesters, Kevin Smith xoomers, Trekkies who always looked down on SW, and Twilight fangirls who weren't even that invested in the IP or had been actively hating on it for years who were only interested in reliving their weird childhoods or watching a flat chested girl hit on an ugly emo vampire-looking dude who was twice her age, and said groups would've quickly left SW as soon as it was over and gone back to Shipping cartoons, Marvel, Star Trek or whatever else was their primary fanbase (great job disney, you made a "redemption" movie for the MovieBobs and Tom Prestons of the world).

And the only ones who stuck around were Disney Adults with an even more severe case of arrested development who would've consoomed regardless as long as it has the disney logo on it (that and Reylo faggots).

Even the prequels, hate em or love em, at least produced not only better quality merch and spinoffs free of politically correct woke bullshit or cheap china pandering that basically allowed you to ignore the films if you wanted to (plus a shit load of games not limited by EA's shitty practices) but also managed to not damage the image and achievements of Luke, Han, Leia, and their allies, and preserving their achievements since they ultimately took place in the future. The only exception to this was probably Vader who many had pre-existing headcanons or expectations for concerning his past that wasn't being a jedi school shooter, but ultimately it doesn't undo the father-son redemption arc or the character development of the actual stars of the story. Wanting Luke and Han to become broken and bitter bums and completely reverse their character development after what should've been a lifetime of achievements for what were essentially spacefaring pulp fantasy heroes was just a lame and faggoty way of trying to appeal to the boomer-xoomer crowd who felt jaded and longing for better days that they themselves made by fucking up the next generation, as well as to give their shittier new cast of retards an easier method of surpassing the previous characters by presenting the new cast as incredibly lucky Mary Sues with quipping personalities and presenting the old as bitter losers who can't do anything right anymore.

Also I really wish people would stop pretending Rian alone fucked up Luke. That bullshit was in the cards from the beginning, with Horn, Kennedy and the staff at nu-Lucasfilm having a hateboner for the guy even before the film came out. All Luke was going to do was be a bitter cunt whose motivations never made any sense and whose only purpose was to do a Yoda 2.0 by training a british broad who made him good again but would ultimately die against the ugly as sin bastard son of Han and Leia. Hell you can't even edit the disney sequels into something decent.

The biggest irony is that all of this happened because they desperately wanted to make a SW remake for Chinese audiences but were too chickenshit to make it a full remake, so they settled on making it a not-so-soft reboot, and in the end all it did was alienate Chinese audiences who never gave a shit about the OT memberberries and most Chinese normies only knowing about the prequels.

They could have easily dubbed him

I really can't imagine dubbing his voice turning out too well. Alec Guinness was more than satisfying and if he hadn't been involved there's a good chance Obi-Wan would never have been killed off, at least until ROTJ, and his death was honestly one of the best parts of ANH. Although I wouldn't have minded if Mifune had been allowed to play a rebel officer or a rogue jedi somewhere down the line.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I miss Carrie. She subverted the typical lolcow by making fun of herself. On purpose.

I said it before but my understanding was that she would have been Dark Leia in TROS but her untimely death axed all of that.

But I am hearing now that her role was always going to be her dying in the film?

 

[Ensok]

@The Gangster Computer

Even before Filoni Wars though George was willing to allow SW to go down darker routes, as seen with some of the Dark Horse SW comic, NJO, or even Force Unleashed, etc which featured torture, blood, sex, space drugs, mutilation, suicide, etc and instances of implied rape. However there was a point around 1994 in which former Lucasfilm editor Kevin J. Anderson claimed that Star Wars had become infested with "politically correct types" who wanted to make SW more kid-friendly and tone down the mature aspects, however Anderson told this to George who agreed with Anderson on keeping mature themes such as spice being drugs.

That was actually from some discussions with the LucasFilm people. I was writing Han going into the spice mines of Kessel, where he used to smuggle the spice out. I was told by some politically correct people at LucasFilm, “Spice can’t be a drug because Han was smuggling it… that makes Han a drug dealer! You can’t have one of our main characters be a drug dealer!” I said, “It’s spice, and he’s running Imperial blockades, what did you think it was?” They said, “Well, it’s like a food flavoring!” He’s not gonna be flying through Imperial blockades with a ship full of oregano! [laughs] It was actually a discussion.

They didn’t want Han Solo to be a guy smuggling drugs because he’s one of our good guys. I went, “You know he was a scoundrel, and he redeemed himself and joined the Rebel Alliance?” It got to the point that we were butting heads enough that we sent a letter up to George Lucas to say what our conflict about what spice was: was it a drug? A food additive? Something else? George wrote back. I love this; he wrote back, “Of course it’s a drug!” My compromise was to not make it something like crystal meth that people were dying from; we had to make some decent aspects of it, Han still is our main character, you don’t want him to be Walter White selling crystal meth!

Honestly I think Kevin J. Anderson "got" Star Wars more than most other writers in that era. I know a lot has been said about the quality of his work, but I don't think anyone else could write such a Star Wars adventure as him. The same kind of fantasy, pulpy, adventure with fun characters, outlandish superweapons, and a lot of world-building, I think he was more in tune with Lucas's Star Wars. Zahn may have given birth to the modern EU but Anderson gave it a home.

Also Darksaber is hilarious.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Cold Take: The character assassination of Han Solo was just as bad as Luke's and it baffles me nobody gave a fraction of a damn about it when TFA came out. All because "I clapped when Harrison Ford showed up like muh childhood!!!!".

I think it had to do with people being optimistic of TFA and Harrison Ford's open "I don't give a shit" attitude that made people not as emotional about Han's bastardization. Like people still question why he's still some loser smuggler but not on the same level as Luke where it didn't help that Mark Hamill was pissed off.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

anybody catch why Disney called Reva the Third Sister? Because it's definitely not racist to call her the Turd Sister, get it? Because her skin is the same color as shit. I tell you those Disney Kikes need. to. go. NOW!!!

 

[Hallucinogenic Penguin]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ooObRfNTvaM anybody catch why Disney called Reva the Third Sister? Because it's definitely not racist to call her the Turd Sister, get it? Because her skin is the same color as shit. I tell you those Disney Kikes need. to. go. NOW!!!

Good god people still watch Doomcock and his weekly predictions of “THE ST WILL BE DECANONIZED ANY DAY NOW”?

Honestly the only way the ST and Dis-Wars crap ever becomes decanonized is if Disney itself collapses into ruin, but in such a magnitude of a downward spiral economic scenario that would take Disney down, chances are people would be worrying about far more important things then erasing Rey, Fart Weddings, Looser Luke, and potato aliens.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

The jedi outfits and robes are totally Japanese based, as is most of Amidala's wardrobe.

Amidala is imperial chinese.

Wasn't her dress based on a Mongolian dress?

 

[The Decimator]

I dunno. He would have had to speak in English and a lot of Burgerstanis cannot stand hearing English in an accent. I'm not even sure the fights would have been better given the fragile props.

It wouldn’t have mattered anyway, because whenever Mifune appeared in an American film where he had to speak English, he was usually dubbed by Paul Frees speaking in a stereotypical Japanese accent.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Clearly, Jude Watson and her shrimpy Jedi Apprentice novels have nothing on Obi-Wan's REAL origin story, and what should truly be the narrative priority in any exploration of his and Qui-Gon's time as master and apprentice:

...Queer rep. Because, y'know, that was the missing piece of Obi-Wan's history as a Jedi.

The main protags still have to be white so they can sell the movies overseas.
I'm pretty sure Han's son turning evil was one of the more hated parts of the EU.

Not by me. I've only gotten into the EU recently, devouring every book and comic in sight, and Jacen Solo turning dark was what elevated him to my favorite character in the Star Wars Universe--largely because his turn was the only one we get where we're inside the villain's head the entire time, and see his despotic savior conference erode his sense of logic, to the point where his actions actually seem rational from his perspective...but never justified or skewed as misunderstood "muh tragedy" like Crylo. It also subverted the trope of having villains redeemed in Star Wars, by having Jacen cross personal and agonizing lines that severed any possibility of him coming back, and making the family drama all the more harrowing between him, his parents, his Uncle Luke, and in particular, his wife and daughter.

The whole thing was done masterfully, IMO, as I've detailed in my coverage on this thread. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but I found it to be the defining resolution to Jacen's epic character journey, and a story that comes the closest to being a Frank Miller take on a Star Wars story.

Look, I'm #1 Vonghater, certified, all years running. Here's the thing about the Vong: it was a more or less coherent story that did in fact do the natural next step for a Star Wars war, extragalactic invaders. Did it fuck it up a lot, yes, did it do lots of stupid shit, yes.

I'm curious to know what your metric of "fuck up" and "stupid shit" is in regards to the Yuuzhan Vong War story arc. My memory of that series is pretty good, since it's my favorite set of novels, and probably my favorite part of Star Wars in its entirety.

And then they make him turn evil because Lucas got the big sad about the concept of Grey Jedi, and so oops he's now Jedi Hitler so they can do ANH again.

That's literally not what happened. George Lucas wasn't involved or even aware of the events of Legacy of the Force. He had severed most of his creative input over the Expanded Universe well into the mid-2000's. The people who dictated a return to the binary "light vs dark" dichotomy within the EU novels were the heads of editorial, Shelly Shapiro and Sue Rustoni...not just because that philosophy didn't agree with Lucas' vision, but because it was an idea that only really worked against the Vong, and would permeate the New Jedi Order of the post-Endor future with Grey Jedi trappings that muddied the waters with future conflicts with the Sith. Which is completely understandable, because the Grey Jedi concept is pants-on-head-retarded, incompatible with the SW universe, and an idea that autists in the fandom salivate over because it enables them to concoct masterbatory fanfiction and OC's that get to be "ZOMG THE ULTIMATE BADASS WHO CAN WIELD LIGHT AND DARK!!!!!11!"

I also fail to see how Legacy of the Force is in anyway reminiscent of ANH. I wasn't aware ANH saw a hero of the past war engage in Machiavellian deception in order to prevent dark visions of his daughter dying and the future he fought for erased, thus launching an American Civil War conflict designed to tear the Solo and Skywalker allies apart and service the plans of one of Luke Skywalker's scorned former lovers.

Golly gee, imagine if that was the film we got in 1977.

It's not just one of the more hated parts of the EU, that plot point is the exact moment that they ran out of new ideas and started doing veiled reboots.

What part of Fate of the Jedi was in any way a veiled reboot? It's literally the aftermath of Jacen's actions, with the Jedi Order branded enemies of the Galactic Alliance, and Luke and his son engaging in a space odyssey to save the Order one final time and ensure its future forevermore. Also, ran out of new ideas? You mean the celestial journey to the Netherworld of the Force, a unorthodox culture of Sith emerging into the galaxy after centuries of seclusion and displaying a time-displaced naivety to the modern world and its Jedi heroes, and the apocalyptic ascension of an ancient Force Entity--the single greatest threat Luke Skywalker has ever faced?

Which of those were rehashed or overused ideas plaguing the rest of continuity, exactly? Because those are eight times more original than anything Disney has come up with in the eight years they've run the current continuity.

 

[Akumaten]

Queer rep. Because, y'know, that was the missing piece of Obi-Wan's history as a Jedi.

Of course they are going to pull a Star Trek again like the faggots they are.
Like making Sulu in the reboot ghey because of Takei, now Obi-wan because of Alec Guinness.

 

[Sneed F91]

I miss Carrie. She subverted the typical lolcow by making fun of herself. On purpose.

Reminder Carrie didn't like what JJ and Rian did to Leia and thought Rian was an asshole.

I said it before but my understanding was that she would have been Dark Leia in TROS but her untimely death axed all of that.

But I am hearing now that her role was always going to be her dying in the film?

Who the fuck knows? There was no plan.

The jedi outfits and robes are totally Japanese based, as is most of Amidala's wardrobe.

But you don't get it, they're obviously space wizards like Gandalf. Even though George is a total weeaboo in a lot of ways.

Of course they are going to pull a Star Trek again like the faggots they are.
Like making Sulu in the reboot ghey because of Takei, now Obi-wan because of Alec Guinness.

The weird thing is Takei is an massive (unbearable) faggot irl but even he had a problem with them making Sulu gay in Star Trek Beyond. Sulu's not gay, but the actor is. That's how acting works.

Did a reluctant, antagonistic and greedy Ford give them the idea to clip most of the male OT stars or were they planning the bait and switch all along?

I think it's a mix. Cynically killing him off for cheap emotion in the film, partly fanservice (because the fans wanted him dead after Ford said he thought he should have died), and I guess they didn't want to pay Harrison millions of dollars for more movies.

I don't know I think it was just something he wanted to prove to tell off the fans that Star Wars should go into a more darker and mature route like that canceled 1313 game that was going to be M rated. I still remember the news from back in 05 when ROTS came out and revealed it was going to have a PG-13 opposed to PG (why Disney wars got PG 13 that oppose to George's movies is beyond me) as with the other movies due to it being the darkest of the saga.

I'm not expecting Star Wars to go full hard R and have blood swearing, sex or nudity. Just make it grittier with more suggestive and mature themes. (I know rogue one try to go that route but we all know the story of behind the scenes).

You might as well try to push the limit of a PG-13 rating as far as you can kind of like how Marvel is doing with the MCU. I want more mature storytelling and not Netflix drama with a sex scene every other scene.

I'm not saying taking Star Wars seriously is a bad thing but I think some people want it to be so grimdark and gritty to the point where it just ends up being silly.

 

[Ghostse]

Wasn't her dress based on a Mongolian dress?

*deep sperg mouthbreath*
Naboo was based in general CENTRAL EAST Asia as opposed to (South East Asia) and had a bunch of things things from areas that at one point or another fell under mongol rule, including the Chinese eunuch fish people as baddies. The whole region, due to being over run repeatedly some flavor Mongols, has a lot of muddling of stylistic elements across cultures.

but the sort of gold ostentationism you see in the royal palace is very aping Chinese Imperial courts, even if the building design show much more central asian influence. There is overlap with some Japanese elements as well, but it'd be hard to tell if they are Japanese influcences, from a culture that was influenced by Japan, or from a culture the influenced Japan.

The last Chinese imperial dynasty, the Qing, were crypto-mongols.

So I just say "Imperial China" and be done with it.

 

[XYZpdq]

The weird thing is Takei is an massive (unbearable) faggot irl but even he had a problem with them making Sulu gay in Star Trek Beyond. Sulu's not gay, but the actor is. That's how acting works.

yeah iirc he was pissy because he'd always played Sulu as a massive poon hound

 

[Creep3r]

Good god people still watch Doomcock and his weekly predictions of “THE ST WILL BE DECANONIZED ANY DAY NOW”?

Honestly the only way the ST and Dis-Wars crap ever becomes decanonized is if Disney itself collapses into ruin, but in such a magnitude of a downward spiral economic scenario that would take Disney down, chances are people would be worrying about far more important things then erasing Rey, Fart Weddings, Looser Luke, and potato aliens.

There is no hope for man.

The retard just keeps shoveling clickbait and they still buy into it not realizing that Doomcock is just a grifter who couldn't give two shits about Star Wars. The guy is a borderline crypto shill who actively tells his audience "Haha fuck disney-lucasfilm amiright? Seriously tho keep buying Disney stuff..."

@The Gangster Computer


Honestly I think Kevin J. Anderson "got" Star Wars more than most other writers in that era. I know a lot has been said about the quality of his work, but I don't think anyone else could write such a Star Wars adventure as him. The same kind of fantasy, pulpy, adventure with fun characters, outlandish superweapons, and a lot of world-building, I think he was more in tune with Lucas's Star Wars. Zahn may have given birth to the modern EU but Anderson gave it a home.

Also Darksaber is hilarious.

The man was a great editor and story developer and knew how to make great comics, his only problem was handling story and dialogue in books, but even then I'm still able to enjoy his crazy novels because they ultimately still understand the nature of crazy pulp scifi adventures and respect the characters and the setting along with its spiritual aspects, and even the Darksaber being a clusterfuck of Hutt failure was just something that really tickled my ribs, and despite all the shit he gets the main with even help from George managed to produce some of the most important mainstays in the franchise, including like 80% of the background and lore used in KOTOR that even the biggest casuals acknowledge as great. It also helps that the guy even to this day is still very anti-PC and anti-censorship, which is kind of sad since Lucasfilm became everything he opposed.

It wouldn’t have mattered anyway, because whenever Mifune appeared in an American film where he had to speak English, he was usually dubbed by Paul Frees speaking in a stereotypical Japanese accent.

This is pretty much why it was for the best he wasn't picked to play Obi-Wan. Still it would've been nice if he had been picked for something else down the line or if they used his likeness in Star Wars.

Only thing that comes to mind was a claim I once read that said Jedi Master Dyas was based on Mifune.

@Mississippi Motorboater Oh joy... I can't wait to hear about how Obi-Wan and Quin-Gon were secret fuck buddies. Seriously though, its pathetic that every new piece of media that comes out only has "representation" or "queerness" as a selling point. They are incapable of creating new content, just shittier versions of old things and to make up for their lack of creativity, their only idea for "new and interesting" is always "let's make it gay" or "let's tear it down/subvert" or "let's add some political allegory to it" to hide the fact that they can't come up with new ideas or even stay true to the characters and source material to save their lives since that require something called an attention span, which is slowly disappearing from the gene pool. What a sorry state for writing and humanity's rapidly decreasing creativity and sense of focus.

 

[Sneed F91]

There is no hope for man.
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The retard just keeps shoveling clickbait and they still buy into it not realizing that Doomcock is just a grifter who couldn't give two shits about Star Wars. The guy is a borderline crypto shill who actively tells his audience "Haha fuck disney-lucasfilm amiright? Seriously tho keep buying Disney stuff..."

The man was a great editor and story developer and knew how to make great comics, his only problem was handling story and dialogue in books, but even then I'm still able to enjoy his crazy novels because they ultimately still understand the nature of crazy pulp scifi adventures and respect the characters and the setting along with its spiritual aspects, and even the Darksaber being a clusterfuck of Hutt failure was just something that really tickled my ribs, and despite all the shit he gets the main with even help from George managed to produce some of the most important mainstays in the franchise, including like 80% of the background and lore used in KOTOR that even the biggest casuals acknowledge as great. It also helps that the guy even to this day is still very anti-PC and anti-censorship, which is kind of sad since Lucasfilm became everything he opposed.

This is pretty much why it was for the best he wasn't picked to play Obi-Wan. Still it would've been nice if he had been picked for something else down the line or if they used his likeness in Star Wars.
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Only thing that comes to mind was a claim I once read that said Jedi Master Dyas was based on Mifune.

@Mississippi Motorboater Oh joy... I can't wait to hear about how Obi-Wan and Quin-Gon were secret fuck buddies. Seriously though, its pathetic that every new piece of media that comes out only has "representation" or "queerness" as a selling point. They are incapable of creating new content, just shittier versions of old things and to make up for their lack of creativity, their only idea for "new and interesting" is always "let's make it gay" or "let's tear it down/subvert" or "let's add some political allegory to it" to hide the fact that they can't come up with new ideas or even stay true to the characters and source material to save their lives since that require something called an attention span, which is slowly disappearing from the gene pool. What a sorry state for writing and humanity's rapidly decreasing creativity and sense of focus.

Imagine simping for Bob fucking Chapek. Doomcuck is really pathetic. He really thinks Disney will stop being "woke". Two things:

1. Just because something isn't "woke" doesn't mean it's automatically going to be "good".
2. Disney not being woke isn't going to happen because left leaning political ideologies are inherent in Hollywood.

Not only that, did he forget the gay kiss in Lightyear? Or Thor Love and Thunder?

 

[The Gene Genie]

*deep sperg mouthbreath*
Naboo was based in general CENTRAL EAST Asia as opposed to (South East Asia) and had a bunch of things things from areas that at one point or another fell under mongol rule, including the Chinese eunuch fish people as baddies. The whole region, due to being over run repeatedly some flavor Mongols, has a lot of muddling of stylistic elements across cultures.

but the sort of gold ostentationism you see in the royal palace is very aping Chinese Imperial courts, even if the building design show much more central asian influence. There is overlap with some Japanese elements as well, but it'd be hard to tell if they are Japanese influcences, from a culture that was influenced by Japan, or from a culture the influenced Japan.

The last Chinese imperial dynasty, the Qing, were crypto-mongols.

So I just say "Imperial China" and be done with it.

It always felt like Space Italy to me. Maybe in the sense that the ruling class (nobility and governmental structures) were at one point foreign to the people who lived there, but the actual people (The Naboo, anyway) are closer to some form of Romance-style folk than anything else. I know that the location shots were in the Mediterranean (the palace is the Plaza de España in Seville and Padme's lake house estate is somewhere in Lombardy) but it feels right. Especially the naming conventions.

You know, it seems to be an interesting hypothesis, if we want to indulge fanfic-tier autism and say that it is quite like the Qing or the Yuan Dynasty, in that Naboo at some indeterminate point in its past was invaded by some Mongolic-like horde that supplanted its ruling class, but over the centuries that ruling class has pretty much just "assimilated" itself into the greater Naboo. You could also draw a comparison with the Magyars I think as well.

If I ever get back on the fanfic autism horse, I'd probably write about this.

 

[Bulk Bogan]

@Mississippi Motorboater

I think the setting should have called it at the Hand of Thrawn duology. A nice natural end to the titular Star Wars where everyone's favorite characters are at a good happy point. Pellaeon gets to be big man Empire man, Han and Leia have their boring kids and each other, Luke is at the head of a new Jedi Order not hell bent on recreating all the mistakes of the past.

Spoiler: Stwars Sperging

The Vong is just... Chewie gets killed by the moon, Lando invents the T-800, Jacen is the force god, the New Republic is worthless and gets swept aside for the New New Republic. At least they killed the Bothan prick and gave the Solo kids an arc. You didn't mention the Dark Nest, and maybe that's because even you have to admit that it was very very bad. I didn't read more after about half of the first book and was glad I only borrowed it from the library.

Galactic Civil War 2 Electric Boogaloo was tiring and I hate how they made Jaina Boba's bitch. I feel like rapprochement between Mandos and Jedi would have been handled better otherwise. Maybe let Traviss do it, her clone/jedi kid was pretty much perfectly positioned for that sort of story arc. Jacen kills Mara Jade because we gotta, man, the Vong killed Chewie so we gotta do something similar. Then Luke and Son's adventures in wild space with the space devil sounded uninteresting in the extreme when I was young and fatigued from Jacen's edgy phase. I hear it gets better, that the Traviss books are the best part of it, but at this point I don't really care.

And then I think we can at least reach common ground on the Legacy era. Maybe that's truly when they were completely out of ideas, aside from having the setting's Skywalker smoke meth. That was pretty new.

As for the grey Jedi stuff, I don't care if the fanbase was cringe about it, they don't matter. Luke's later insistence on just straight up reforming Yoda's Order is dull and I always saw him striking out and going his own way as the final end of the big source of the star wars, religious infighting. It returns the Jedi to the original concept of actual balance, not slavish adherence to light side dogma and being the Republic's pet child stealing cult, not insane megalomaniacal self-defeating edgyboy nonsense. Closure, but that does make it hard to retread Sith/Jedi wars.

But, even the worst of Meth Smokin' Skywalker is better than Disney's mess. I've said it before, the biggest sin they committed is making it impossible for me to call Legacy the absolute worst of Star Wars.

I enjoy Star Wars on my terms and I get that maybe the pruning I do seems extreme, but my problems with the stuff after my chosen stop point has more to do with my personal taste than inherent quality of the writing. Usually. There's nothing wrong with enjoying the Vong, I just don't like it. Maybe I was a little too hard on some of the other stuff, but lots of people don't like Darth Caedus and I really didn't enjoy those storylines when I was a kid.

 

[Ghostse]

It always felt like Space Italy to me. Maybe in the sense that the ruling class (nobility and governmental structures) were at one point foreign to the people who lived there, but the actual people (The Naboo, anyway) are closer to some form of Romance-style folk than anything else. I know that the location shots were in the Mediterranean (the palace is the Plaza de España in Seville and Padme's lake house estate is somewhere in Lombardy) but it feels right. Especially the naming conventions.

You know, it seems to be an interesting hypothesis, if we want to indulge fanfic-tier autism and say that it is quite like the Qing or the Yuan Dynasty, in that Naboo at some indeterminate point in its past was invaded by some Mongolic-like horde that supplanted its ruling class, but over the centuries that ruling class has pretty much just "assimilated" itself into the greater Naboo. You could also draw a comparison with the Magyars I think as well.

If I ever get back on the fanfic autism horse, I'd probably write about this.

Grecoroman influence made it really far east. The Greeks had a long-lived colony in modern day Pakistan/Afghanistan/Uzbekistan/Iran. As the greeks had their shit together more than most of the locals, they had an outsized influence on the region's development. (Most depictions of the Buddah have him in greek-style robes. ) The Parthians, the rocks the Roman Empire broke against to their east - eventually settled into an uneasy trading peace and lots of ideas and designs flowed back and forth, meaning you saw a lot of roman influence on building design far beyond the boot prints of the most easterly legionaire.

tl;dr
Padme's home life is straight-up Roman Pastoral, but Theed is much more byzantine in design, and the trappings of royalty had a very clear central asian slant. See what I did there?