Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

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How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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I'd love a higher quality pic to zoom in on, but going on what I see there
-Mag looks empty. Either that or it's the angle and lighting. Though if it is loaded I'm guessing it's steel rounds in the mag; steel casing is more common in com bloc countries.
-The can (suppressor) might be real or might be fake. If it's real then you'd want a piece of cloth wrapped around it to minimize heat signature. That's why cool guy special forces always wrap theirs, to keep the IR heat signature low.
-A non-collapsing stock on the rifle is fine, but if you want to boogaloo in an urban environment a collapsible stock is more convenient.
-There looks to be a folding front sight but no rear backup iron sight to accompany it. Optics only with no BUIS is a thing you see more militaries moving towards these days, but I'm of the opinion you're gonna want BUIS if that fancy ACSS optic breaks.
-The foregrip attachment is kinda close to the magwell. Not the biggest faux pas or anything, but you might as well use a magwell grip at that distance.
-A bipod and foregrip on the rail? Usually only see one or the other for the simple fact that the more shit you stick on the end of the rifle's rail system the more front-heavy it gets. That can on the muzzle adds to the weight.

Verdict: Bubba rifle out of 10

Use AK chambered in 5.45mm; easier to loot the ammo off any dead Russian troopers.
This was my thought as well - unless this lady has access to several cans worth of SS109 ammo, this seems like a bad set up for fighting off a Russian invasion force or being part of a militia unit/potential guerrilla force The whole pic looks staged for propaganda purposes.
 
This was my thought as well - unless this lady has access to several cans worth of SS109 ammo, this seems like a bad set up for fighting off a Russian invasion force or being part of a militia unit/potential guerrilla force The whole pic looks staged for propaganda purposes.
They'll be getting thousands of tons of NATO ammo if things really kick off but i agree that 5.45 is more practical there. But AR-15's are as exotic and sought after in Russian and eastern europre like AKMs are here.
 
It's not airsoft. It's definitely tacticool, but if you zoom in on the barrel and the Chamber window it's a legit 5.56 NATO.

Source, I am looking at the one in my room without all the extraneous bullshit on it.
Seems real for the most part. Anyone recognizes the optic or mount? It's definitely propaganda, but now I'm just curious about the little autistic details.

Why? I would disagree. Althoug NATO can be critisised for alot of things i dont think disbanding it will do the world any good.
During the Cold War it made sense, but now the balance of power has shifted and it's losing its value as a blunt instrument against Russia. Trump's issue was the inequity in military spending between the US and other NATO members, which also is a valid point from the perspective of the Americans.

Since Russia is no longer an existential threat to the US after they abandoned that whole communism thing, why not just come to an arrangement with them and not spend so much money on NATO? Biden likes to portray Russia as the bad guy but you know his handlers get along with Putin very well. I suspect they have already come to an agreement and we're just watching it play out.
 
They'll be getting thousands of tons of NATO ammo if things really kick off but i agree that 5.45 is more practical there. But AR-15's are as exotic and sought after in Russian and eastern europre like AKMs are here.
Heh, "grass is always greener" effect. Reminds me of when Forgotten Weapons/InRange interviewed the Varusteleka guys about gun culture in Finland - over there, everyone coveted AR-15s, while the Chinese Polytech AK's that have become legendary unobtainium in the U.S. are considered cheap junk.
 
During the Cold War it made sense, but now the balance of power has shifted and it's losing its value as a blunt instrument against Russia. Trump's issue was the inequity in military spending between the US and other NATO members, which also is a valid point from the perspective of the Americans.

Since Russia is no longer an existential threat to the US after they abandoned that whole communism thing, why not just come to an arrangement with them and not spend so much money on NATO? Biden likes to portray Russia as the bad guy but you know his handlers get along with Putin very well. I suspect they have already come to an agreement and we're just watching it play out.
Combination of sunk cost fallacy/bureaucratic inertia ("we've always focused on Russia as a threat, why should we change?") plus the fact that while the Russia hysteria is overblown insanity, there still are nonetheless many geopolitical issues with which the U.S. has serious differences with Russia. Primarily that Russia continues to be the main economic and military partner for nations that are hostile to us and our allies/interests such as Syria, Iran, and Venezuela. Russia of course will not cut these nations off because that would be a net negative for them both economically and diplomatically, and our own policy makers can't or at least shouldn't just hand-wave those nations receiving Russian military or economic aid as "lol, no biggie" because them becoming stronger while still being adversarial would not benefit us.

It's the simple, real-world result of two-major powers trying to project influence and protect their national interests - there's inevitably going to be places where they clash. That doesn't mean that things need to necessarily reach the level of tension that the current crop of idiots have allowed things to escalate to, though.
 
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The Marines? About 8500 of them, from what I heard.
That's a lot of crayons.

They'll be getting thousands of tons of NATO ammo if things really kick off but i agree that 5.45 is more practical there. But AR-15's are as exotic and sought after in Russian and eastern europre like AKMs are here.
They manufacture AR-15s locally in Ukraine and Russia, it's not a difficult rifle to put together.

Combination of sunk cost fallacy/bureaucratic inertia ("we've always focused on Russia as a threat, why should we change?") plus the fact that while the Russia hysteria is overblown insanity, there still are nonetheless many geopolitical issues with which the U.S. has serious differences with Russia. Primarily that Russia continues to be the main economic and military partner for nations that are hostile to us and our allies/interests such as Syria, Iran, and Venezuela. Russia of course will not cut these nations off because that would be a net negative for them both economically and diplomatically, and our own policy makers can't or at least shouldn't just hand-wave those nations receiving Russian military or economic aid as "lol, no biggie" because them becoming stronger while still being adversarial would not benefit us.

It's the simple, real-world result of two-major powers trying to project influence and protect their national interests - there's inevitably going to be places where they clash. That doesn't mean though that things need to necessarily reach the level of tension that the current crop of idiots have allowed things to escalate to, though.
This level of tension is usually intentional, it distracts from other issues and makes everyone involved look good when inevitably nothing happens.
 
That's a lot of crayons.


They manufacture AR-15s locally in Ukraine and Russia, it's not a difficult rifle to put together.
Question is, is the quality control for Russian-made AR's as bad as they tend to be for U.S.-made AK's?

BTW, it looks like the AR the lady is holding might be a Zbroyar.
 
tacticooled ARs? Back in Chechnya a bunch of women sniped russians with Mosins, pretty well too.

What's more important is if she's capable of pulling that trigger, something most soy men in US don't have the stones to do.
 
Question is, is the quality control for Russian-made AR's as bad as they tend to be for U.S.-made AK's?

BTW, it looks like the AR the lady is holding might be a Zbroyar.
Quality should be okay as long as they use a decent barrel and materials, and a lot of those ARs are built by smaller shops with better attention to detail.

tacticooled ARs? Back in Chechnya a bunch of women sniped russians with Mosins, pretty well too.

What's more important is if she's capable of pulling that trigger, something most soy men in US don't have the stones to do.
After however many years of being brainwashed by Ukrainian TV it seems they're ready to pull the trigger at anything. At least he only shot an AC unit.


🇺🇦 The collector opened fire near the building of the Security Service of Ukraine in the center of Kiev, reports UNN citing a source

""Representatives of the NGO 'Ukrainian Flag' tried to stick stickers on the currency exchange office ... After that, a car of collectors drove up to the exchange office, who probably regarded the actions of the activists as an attack"
 
Seems real for the most part. Anyone recognizes the optic or mount? It's definitely propaganda, but now I'm just curious about the little autistic details.
Kinda looks like the SLx 1-8x24mm SFP that Primary Arms.com sells. They sell a mount for it, but there's no shortage of places to get a scope mount. Other companies also make similar looking ACSS scopes. The Keymod rail could be from anywhere; which as someone else said "yuck keymod." MLOK Master Race all day. I also forgot to mention the ambidextrous charging handle, which looks like a Radian Raptor series. Again kind of a mall ninja addition, especially the ones with really large latches which can snag on equipment. An autistic nit pick of mine is how the rail and scope mount look like some kind of Field Dark Earth color. Always bothers me when I see FDE furniture being used in an environment that isn't at all arid or sandy; if you're gonna go with something other than standard black then pick a color that matches your environment, like Olive Drab or Foliage Green.
 
How long could Ukraine get away with pretending to still have a previously undisclosed working nuclear missile, if they pretended to have one?
Most of the (publicly known) anti-nuke measures seem to catch nukes during the very noticeable processes involved in arming or launching them, not an old, already-armed and siloed missile.
The problem with nukes that were in Ukraine in 1991 is that while yes they physically possessed the nuclear weapons, the command and control control system as well as the launch codes were in Moscow.

That said them leaving shit behind by accident isn't unheard of, in the 2000s a hanger collapsed in Kazakhstan unveiling a nuclear ready TU-95 that was supposed to have been turned over to Russia in the mid-90s

So what are we thinking, airsoft or not?

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Edit: More about the Axis concept (UK, Turkey, Poland). I'll put a Google translation here:
https://t.me/russ_orientalist/9805
I'd love a higher quality pic to zoom in on, but going on what I see there
-Mag looks empty. Either that or it's the angle and lighting. Though if it is loaded I'm guessing it's steel rounds in the mag; steel casing is more common in com bloc countries.
-The can (suppressor) might be real or might be fake. If it's real then you'd want a piece of cloth wrapped around it to minimize heat signature. That's why cool guy special forces always wrap theirs, to keep the IR heat signature low.
-A non-collapsing stock on the rifle is fine, but if you want to boogaloo in an urban environment a collapsible stock is more convenient.
-There looks to be a folding front sight but no rear backup iron sight to accompany it. Optics only with no BUIS is a thing you see more militaries moving towards these days, but I'm of the opinion you're gonna want BUIS if that fancy ACSS optic breaks.
-The foregrip attachment is kinda close to the magwell. Not the biggest faux pas or anything, but you might as well use a magwell grip at that distance.
-A bipod and foregrip on the rail? Usually only see one or the other for the simple fact that the more shit you stick on the end of the rifle's rail system the more front-heavy it gets. That can on the muzzle adds to the weight.

Verdict: Bubba rifle out of 10

Use AK chambered in 5.45mm; easier to loot the ammo off any dead Russian troopers.
There's an AR manufacturer in Ukraine which is why back in 2014 there was a photo of a Alfa Group operator using one in Crimea during the storming of the holdout Ukrainian military bases.

As for the non-collapsing stock, I assume this is might be due to local regulations as I know in Russia collapsing or folding stocks are illegal unless they're designed to activate a safety preventing the gun from firing when folded or collapsed.
Heh, "grass is always greener" effect. Reminds me of when Forgotten Weapons/InRange interviewed the Varusteleka guys about gun culture in Finland - over there, everyone coveted AR-15s, while the Chinese Polytech AK's that have become legendary unobtainium in the U.S. are considered cheap junk.
Oh that pisses me off because I came across a 223 Polytech for $850 at a local gunshop back in 2018 but I was too broke
 
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Not quite as bad as in the past, but still pale compared to the stuff they aired in the early 90s-00s - though that's just my opinion.

Back on topic - apparently in among all this chaos, Biden has failed to nominate a U.S. ambassador to Ukraine.

Now, the cynical response to this can probably vary from "why bother when Brandon knows it will be invaded soon?" to "why bother, when we all know the CIA/State Department glow-in-the-darks are the people who were really running the country in the first place?"
Null for ambassador to Ukraine. What diplomatic fuckup can't be solved with a little pizza?
 
Question is, is the quality control for Russian-made AR's as bad as they tend to be for U.S.-made AK's?

BTW, it looks like the AR the lady is holding might be a Zbroyar.
They're shit but they'll do what you need it to do. U.S. AK imo slightly higher quality.

My bad think someone beat me too it.
 
Most of the sour grapes about the F-35 were from people who don’t understand how economies of scale and the actual development worked out. There were issues (namely with the B and with making it carrier capable with the C) but the aircraft is now per unit about the same price as a brand new F-16, while being more capable by far.
I'm pretty sure the Navy did a retroactive cost analysis and since it's inception the F-18 program has been as expensive as they projected the F-35 would be. (I might be eating LockMart sales pitch though, so take it with a grain of salt).

People also call the F-35 the "trillion dollar aircraft" as if a single F-35 costs a trillion bucks.
 
Humble reminder that warmongering is a retarded practice and we all get fucked if another war will wage.
Thus, buckle up for a boney ride, kids!
 
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