Poll: what people in the world believe that the holocaust happened? - Intentional extermination campaign, gaschambers, 6 million dead jews

[Chugger]

>Gotcha bitch. You just justified the holocaust, and made yo'self look a fool!
Got me in what? My position has always been "it didn't happen but it should have." That aside, even if it's true that, that many Soviets died in custody, that's a very far cry from the Holohoax story you're selling, it would have absolutely been justified since the USSR did far worse to its prisoners, including civilians, and it's an absolute fact that the German soldiers in the east themselves were facing starvation.

>uh I mean interned in Russia- an active warzone
You mean Poland? That was allegedly the location of the happy fun parks that had masturbation machines and holocoasters.

Bro! read the Korherr report. http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/korherr.html Poland lost 80% of its Juju population to deportation in 1942. Everybody on your side thinks the Jujus were sent into Russia, and deep Russia (since they were also evacuated from the Ostland, Belarus, and Ukraine). So they were seemingly in the rear of the German army. Don't ask me, it's pretty stupid.

You're basically arguing the Germans considered fellow whites (aryans even?) to be lower on the foodchain than the satan-like Jujus, who were responsible for each of the hundreds of thousands of German youth that were dying in the war , and who ultimately wanted kill or sterilize all the Germans (have you read Theodore Kaufman's Germany Must Perish? He was Roosevelts right hand man!), and by the Nazis own documents 60-70% of these Jujus were useless as workers!

>Speaking of "military logistics", weren't all the Jujus being final solutioned?
Well, if you really want to bring up the reason they didn't just shoot them in the back of the heads and be done with it I'm all ears.

Secrecy and the need for a humane solution, but sure probably 1.5 mil were shot

Mattogno's cope is that it's just Hoppner's opinion, he uses this a lot

 

[WinnieTheJew]

The reason people believe in the Holocaust and revisionists are a fringe group is because the evidence for it is immense and the evidence for the alternative hypothesis is nil and in fact contradicted by many documents.

The holocaust is actually very poorly documented as far as genocides go. You're only saying this because it's what you've been told your entire life and you've never actually given it a second thought. I recommend The Leuchter Reports if you want an actual scientific analysis of the claims made instead of blindly trusting hearsay.

The biggest problem with the whole narrative in my opinion is that Zyklon B was a rather expensive delousing agent, and using it on the scale that's claimed would've been extremely hazardous for the German guards at the camps and anyone living nearby. Not to mention that ash polluting the air (assuming their meager crematoriums could even handle the claimed number of bodies). It takes around 8 hours to burn someone to ash in a modern cremation oven, and in most first world countries there are lots of regulations about how often a corpse can be burned due to air quality concerns.

What are the arguments for gassing? It would've been cleaner to shoot or starve them and throw them in mass graves. The Soviets actually did this around that time. It was cheap and efficient, unlike wasting expensive cleaning chemicals on a bunch of heebs.

 

[Chugger]

The holocaust is actually very poorly documented as far as genocides go. You're only saying this because it's what you've been told your entire life and you've never actually given it a second thought. I recommend The Leuchter Reports if you want an actual scientific analysis of the claims made instead of blindly trusting hearsay.

The biggest problem with the whole narrative in my opinion is that Zyklon B was a rather expensive delousing agent, and using it on the scale that's claimed would've been extremely hazardous for the German guards at the camps and anyone living nearby. Not to mention that ash polluting the air (assuming their meager crematoriums could even handle the claimed number of bodies). It takes around 8 hours to burn someone to ash in a modern cremation oven, and in most first world countries there are lots of regulations about how often a corpse can be burned due to air quality concerns.

What are the arguments for gassing? It would've been cleaner to shoot or starve them and throw them in mass graves. The Soviets actually did this around that time. It was cheap and efficient, unlike wasting expensive cleaning chemicals on a bunch of heebs.

As far as I know, the holocaust is easily the best documented genocide, revisionists just think all the evidence is forged and the witnesses are lying

According to German documents they could cremate people in 30 minutes (w multiple corpses at a time, or they weren't being burned completely but functionally) http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/10/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html

Zyklon is way more effective at killing humans than insects

They took safety precautions at the crematoria eg http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/04/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html

Some advantages of killing Jujus with gas were that you could quietly and quickly kill a lot this way and it was more impersonal. Many poor poor Nazi police executioners had nervous breakdowns and became alcoholics after having to do such hard work the old fashioned way. Poor guys. But some might say Nazi Germany was an advanced industrial nation and had a tendency to apply advanced industrial solutions to their problems. Also some might say ze Germans have a penchant for contraptions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jSAM2VVlVQ Some might say who the fuck really knows, maybe you should become a holocaust historian and try to get to the bottom of this

 

[Lemmingwise]

Some advantages of killing Jujus with gas were that you could quietly and quickly kill a lot this way and it was more impersonal

Very impersonal to drag the zyklon stained pile of bodies out of a gas chamber.

Even drone operators get ptsd at pretty high rates, despite being so removed from it. But dropping gas and carrying the bodies by the millions, that is just impersonal.

This defense doesn't even work for the gas van, as you hear people banging on the walls before they die. Enough to give any of the non sociopaths nightmares. But in chambers packed full of people? Just imagine the pile of bodies and disposing of them and dropping in the lethal dosages of gas.

 

[WinnieTheJew]

According to German documents they could cremate people in 30 minutes

So what you're telling me is that the Germans were so hateful they were able to suspend the laws of physics to oven some yids faster? You're dumb for even posting this. Autistic, even.

 

[Chugger]

Very impersonal to drag the zyclon stained pile of bodies out of a gas chamber.

Even drone operators get ptsd at pretty high rates, despite being so removed from it. But dropping gas and carrying the bodies by the millions, that is just impersonal.

According to all witnesses, Jujus did that--the 'Sonderkommando', (not to be confused with SS Sonderkommando https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel#SS-Sonderkommandos). Naturally there were German overseers, but Jujus did the dirty work.

Yes I'd say dropping gas through a hole is different than shooting somebody whose face you've just seen, or shooting someone holding a baby, or holding a Juju child in front of you and shooting them, not to get too lifetime tv here

This defense doesn't even work for the gas van, as you hear people banging on the walls before they die. Enough to give any of the non sociopaths nightmares. But in chambers packed full of people? Just imagine the pile of bodies and disposing of them and dropping in the lethal dosages of gas.

Your concerns about the gas van are well acknowledged, by gas van drivers and also documents:

Contemporary German Documents on Homicidal Gas Vans

Exploring Holocaust history. Debunking Holocaust denial.

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Jujus were dying by suffocation instead of the planned 'dozing off'

Eichmann also relates a horrible gas van experience in his Argentina material, he could hardly bear to look through the peephole But here's how he describes a mass shooting (From David Irving, right before his 'deconversion' to believer in mass gassing)

You can about speculate whether it was worse for the Germans to see the Jujus they were killing or just hear them.

So what you're telling me is that the Germans were so hateful they were able to suspend the laws of physics to oven some yids faster?

No one says the average Germans were hateful. It was their leaders that convinced them and brainwashed them. Unfortunately they suffered a lot killing those Jujus. And I'm sure most did it out of obedience and love of their country.

What laws of physics? Are you saying a body can't be destroyed by heat in 30 minutes or less?

I'm dumb for pointing out documents, ok. Revisionists haven't been able to show most of these are forged--the explanation seems to be that the Germans were merely bragging about and overestimating the capacity

 

[A Gay Retard]

People forget/are unaware of these four things when talking about the feasibility of killing 6 million Jews:

-Only about half of the Jews killed were actually killed in camps. Death squads, etc. killed a ton of them with no intention of ever putting them on a train. That's makes it roughly only 3 million that had to be killed in camps to get to the 6 million number.
-Never underestimate how efficient Germans can be at something when they set their mind to it.
-Germans are also a very pragmatic people and Zyklon B is cheap and effective. Even then, you don't have to gas everyone. Just the ones not worth keeping around to work to death until they die of exhaustion, typhus, starvation, really anything. Two birds, one stone.
-There were simply a lot more Jews in Europe before 1945 than there were after. Where'd they go?

 

[WinnieTheJew]

Revisionists haven't been able to show most of these are forged

You can't cremate a body in 30 minutes. The claim is ridiculous and easily disproven. I don't even need a source to disprove your stupid lies. Google it, nigger.

-Only about half of the Jews killed were actually killed in camps. Death squads, etc. killed a ton of them with no intention of ever putting them on a train. That's makes it roughly only 3 million that had to be killed in camps to get to the 6 million number.
-Never underestimate how efficient Germans can be at something when they set their mind to it.
-Germans are also a very pragmatic people and Zyklon B is cheap and effective. Even then, you don't have to gas everyone. Just the ones not worth keeping around to work to death until they die of exhaustion, typhus, starvation, really anything. Two birds, one stone.
-There were simply a lot more Jews in Europe before 1945 than there were after. Where'd they go?

Point one is impossible to prove because the mass graves don't exist. This is not what people are taught in school. They're taught that six gorillion were forced into fake showers and gassed. It wasn't until very recently that shoah affirmers started to fall back on this holocaust of bullets shit. It's because gas chambers are dumb and the original narrative is indefensible.

Point two is stupid and cartoonish.
Point three is wrong. Zyklon B wasn't cheap. It was a commercial delousing agent used by business and governments all over the place. Shooting or starving prisoners is always cheaper and easier.
Point four is wrong. Look up the census records.

My main argument against the holocaust being real is that it's just stupid. Do people really believe a bunch of Germans set up a bunch of Rube Goldberg machines to kill jews? The concept is ridiculous. It's like something out of a bargain bin fiction novel from Walmart.

 

[Chugger]

You can't cremate a body in 30 minutes. The claim is ridiculous and easily disproven. I don't even need a source to disprove your stupid lies. Google it, nigger

Massa, I followed your instructions as carefully as I could: I searched for this in google "livestock incinerator" "pounds per hour"

First link was this https://www.incinr8.com/ which looks to be selling a low rent "poultry incinerator", with stated capacity of 150 pounds per hour. This corresponds to two malnourished Jujus per hour, or perhaps 4 satan like Juju children.

But is this incinerator made to operate in "high-throughput” mode, meaning constantly in use without having to warm up or cool down? That could increase its efficiency further, and also it is a poultry incinerator, and by my reckoning chickens are not too large, so size might be a limiting factor

I don't have answers to these question sadly. I do not mean to doubt you massa, you are truly a great man, but I suspect your great confidence here may be misplaced.

Dare say I also think it strange that so many documents were forged indicating such high cremation rates, but they somehow bothered to forge only one document detailing gassing of Jujus http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/08/nazi-document-on-mass-extermination-of.html I guess this was all part of their plans of tryin not to look too suspicious

My main argument against the holocaust being real is that it's just stupid. Do people really believe a bunch of Germans set up a bunch of Rube Goldberg machines to kill jews? The concept is ridiculous. It's like something out of a bargain bin fiction novel from Walmart.

Wow, to think you could kill people by pumping poison gas into an enclosed space. This conspiracy apparently started in the US in the 20s, what a joke.

Gas chamber - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[LeChampion1992]

It probably happened, However it wasn't 6 million were killed by zyklon B showers. Most of the deaths occured due to the camp conditions were horrible mainly due to poor sanitation, lack of supplies, and disease. After all this was a war and during wartime your troops, then civilians, then enemy POWs get supplies. Jews were left at the bottom of the last partially due to the fact Hitler wanted them exterminated and partly due to the fact it's a war. The fact holocaust denial is considered a crime in most places doesn't help quell any conspiracy theories about Jewish elites and Hitler was actually a savior of the world.

Massa, I followed your instructions as carefully as I could: I searched for this in google "livestock incinerator" "pounds per hour"

First link was this https://www.incinr8.com/ which looks to be selling a low rent "poultry incinerator", with stated capacity of 150 pounds per hour. This corresponds to two malnourished Jujus per hour, or perhaps 4 satan like Juju children.

But is this incinerator made to operate in "high-throughput” mode, meaning constantly in use without having to warm up or cool down? That could increase its efficiency further, and also it is a poultry incinerator, and by my reckoning chickens are not too large, so size might be a limiting factor

I don't have answers to these question sadly. I do not mean to doubt you massa, you are truly a great man, but I suspect your great confidence here may be misplaced.

Dare say I also think it strange that so many documents were forged indicating such high cremation rates, but they somehow bothered to forge only one document detailing gassing of Jujus http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/08/nazi-document-on-mass-extermination-of.html I guess this was all part of their plans of tryin not to look too suspicious

Humans have a nasty habit of surviving and pretty sure some higher up SS officer who was a believer wanted those numbers as high as possible. So natrually I wouldn't be surprised if hanz forged some documents to play cover my ass with his bosses. People did get killed and randomly executed Im also the only differences between gulags and concentration camps was the work/death quotas.

 

[Chugger]

Lol this paragraph from big brain Carlo ratfucks the hope and dream of so many deniers that 'cremating a corpse in 30 minutes is impossible!'

treating 41 corpses in a day translates to 35 minutes per body

but the entire issue is moot because clearly the Auschwitz crema could not handle the mass influx of bodies and frequently broke down, necessitating the use of

That plume was actually even larger

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In these pictures you can also clearly see the huge trenches those poor innocent wicked Jujus were burned in, which were erased by the Nazis when the camp was evacuated. or as deniers say, they erased evidence of the trash burning pits behind the crematoria

 

[Merried Senior Comic]

DA HALLACOST IS A JOKE, WYTE BOI.

HEIL HITLER, NIGGA.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Lol this paragraph from big brain Carlo ratfucks the hope and dream of so many deniers that 'cremating a corpse in 30 minutes is impossible!'

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treating 41 corpses in a day translates to 35 minutes per body

but the entire issue is moot because clearly the Auschwitz crema could not handle the mass influx of bodies and frequently broke down, necessitating the use of

That plume was actually even larger

Exploring Holocaust history. Debunking Holocaust denial.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

In these pictures you can also clearly see the huge rails those poor innocent wicked Jujus were burned on, which were removed by the Nazis when the camp was evacuated

If the official story is 100% ironclad (fwiw I think there was a genocide of multiple groups including Jews, but exact circumstances and numbers aren't accurate), then why were there blatant nonsense stories like death by steam, electric floors, holocoasters, and masturbation machines thrown around early after the war? Why have lampshades and soap been abandoned?

 

[Chugger]

If the official story is 100% ironclad (fwiw I think there was a genocide of multiple groups including Jews, but exact circumstances and numbers aren't accurate), then why were there blatant nonsense stories like death by steam, electric floors, holocoasters, and masturbation machines thrown around early after the war? Why have lampshades and soap been abandoned?

let's look at masturbation machines. this comes from the 2004 book 'stolen soul' , written by one Bernard Holstein ehhh Brougham

People are fucked in the head and basically lie about all sorts of shit and that is human nature. Any large scale war is gonna be rife with this sort of stuff. But as I said before, that doesn't preclude people from committing mass crimes.

The reason people "abandoned" the mass soap making story is there is no evidence to back it up. Reports of steam and electricity killings and the 'holocauster' were also ambiguous and rare compared to reports of gassing, and that was before the war as over. No direct witness testimonies, whether German or Jewish, of any of that stuff or other "abandoned" elements of holocaust story, eg mass gassings at west german camps

Germans like SS Judge Morgen said that mass extermination was going on at Auschwitz and Reinhard camps but denied it happened in places like Dachau

The Avalon Project : Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Vol. 20 - One Hundred Ninety-Eighth Day

 

[Niggernerd]

It happened but jews are whiny little faggots who want to be the main victims. Forget everyone else da jews need your money gentile

 

[potato in mah painus]

As far as I know, the holocaust is easily the best documented genocide, revisionists just think all the evidence is forged and the witnesses are lying

According to German documents they could cremate people in 30 minutes (w multiple corpses at a time, or they weren't being burned completely but functionally) http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/10/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html

Zyklon is way more effective at killing humans than insects

They took safety precautions at the crematoria eg http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/04/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html

Some advantages of killing Jujus with gas were that you could quietly and quickly kill a lot this way and it was more impersonal. Many poor poor Nazi police executioners had nervous breakdowns and became alcoholics after having to do such hard work the old fashioned way. Poor guys. But some might say Nazi Germany was an advanced industrial nation and had a tendency to apply advanced industrial solutions to their problems. Also some might say ze Germans have a penchant for contraptions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jSAM2VVlVQ Some might say who the fuck really knows, maybe you should become a holocaust historian and try to get to the bottom of this

Before covid I got formally certified and trained in the use of pesticides and fumagants. Hydrogen Cyanide has one MAJOR problem, even at levels used for fumigation. Its flammable, if not straight up explosive, if its over the limits prescribed. I pointed this out in the previous thread on this topic, but the doses needed to kill humans is way higher then insects and is well into the ratios needed for a explosive mix.
Auschwitz is a particular glaring example, the proximity to the crematorium would have guaranteed a explosion or fire at some point 'if" that gas was used.

Ill need to post a correction on my own research and fumigation knowledge, HCN is not flammable in the concentrations required to kill a human, average lethal dose varies from 150-500 ppm with acute effects as low as 5 ppm:

Hydrogen Cyanide: Acute Exposure Guideline Levels - Acute Exposure Guideline Levels for Selected Airborne Chemicals - NCBI Bookshelf

This does not change the ton of other factors required to safely deliver a lethal dose to a crowd of people, but the less incorrect information spread the better.

So when you point out 'best documented' genocide, why is it simple things like this have glaring issues? The reason the revisionists claim the witnesses are lying, is because it doesn't take much to poke some major holes in the stories by running some math and numbers.

Edit: How is it that you could only find info on livestock incinerators when this took me 5 minutes: https://www.funeralwise.com/plan/cremation/cremation-process/
Note two things:
> 1.5-2 hours to cremate
> Has to have the remains ground up as a final step, because even these modern incinerators can't burn bones up completely.
This is with modern, optimized, and PERFECTED crematoriums, not the brick oven type systems the Nazis were using.

 

[LargeChoonger]

Doesn't matter, ethnic conflict resulting in extermination attempts are a historical precedent. Your average working-class German had bitter memories of the Weimar Republic by 1933 and was probably happy to see the former ruling classes get smacked around. We shouldn't be debating whether it happened, but questioning why it's the genocide that had Jews in its sights that's the most milked

 

[Chugger]

Before covid I got formally certified and trained in the use of pesticides and fumagants. Hydrogen Cyanide has one MAJOR problem, even at levels used for fumigation. Its flammable, if not straight up explosive, if its over the limits prescribed. I pointed this out in the previous thread on this topic, but the doses needed to kill humans is way higher then insects and is well into the ratios needed for a explosive mix.
Auschwitz is a particular glaring example, the proximity to the crematorium would have guaranteed a explosion or fire at some point 'if" that gas was used.

So when you point out 'best documented' genocide, why is it simple things like this have glaring issues? The reason the revisionists claim the witnesses are lying, is because it doesn't take much to poke some major holes in the stories by running some math and numbers.

Just looked into this a bit, seems your science is bad, and at the very least the issue is ambiguous. It's controversial even among deniers (Berg vs Faurrison)

Is Zyklon-B EXPLOSIVE? - Burg, Rudolf, and Faurisson = One Great Band of Idiots. - The Skeptics Society Forum

I think the claim was originally from the Leuchter report, which has a lot of problems.

The short story is Hydrogen Cyanide is explosive at minimum 50,000 PPM and the lethal dose is 500 ppm, so if the Germans overshot by 10x they wouldn't be in much danger. + the cremas were well ventilated. As for being near open flames, it appears it simply will not explode unless its concentration is at a certain level (though maybe you can educate here since I'm no chemistry stud)

There is also evidence the Germans were aware of this:

Prussic Acid (Zyklon) for Disinfestation

Directives for the Use of Prussic Acid (Zyklon) for the Destruction of Vermin (Disinfestation)

web.archive.org

Danger of explosion: 75g. prussic acid 1 cbm air. (Normal application approx. 8-10 g. per cbm, therefore not explosive). Prussic acid may not be brought into contact with an open flame, glowing wires, etc., because then it burns up slowly and loses all its effectiveness (carbonic acid, water, and nitrogen are formed).

Not explosive at normal application (delousing). Approx 10x higher concentration was used for lice than for humans.

Edit: How is it that you could only find info on livestock incinerators when this took me 5 minutes: https://www.funeralwise.com/plan/cremation/cremation-process/
Note two things:
> 1.5-2 hours to cremate
> Has to have the remains ground up as a final step, because even these modern incinerators can't burn bones up completely.
This is with modern, optimized, and PERFECTED crematoriums, not the brick oven type systems the Nazis were using.

Why would they use 'civilian' style cremators?

In a civilian crematorium, based on laws and out of respect for the dead or their families, each body is cremated individually so ashes can be collected and returned to the family.

The civilian crematorium oven is heated up and cooled down for each cremation. These civilian ovens are also cleaned out after each use. The body is usually burned together with a coffin or other container, which lengthens the time required to complete the process. On average, it takes between two and three hours for each cremation, depending on the oven and the body being cremated.[2]

Auschwitz-Birkenau Crematoria: Civilian Ovens Comparison - Holocaust Denial on Trial

It takes hours to burn one body in a civilian crematorium. How could the ovens at Auschwitz-Birkenau cremate nearly 900,000 victims in a two-year period? At Auschwitz-Birkenau, the ovens operated continuously, burning multiple bodies at once. We cannot compare that to the cremation process in...

www.hdot.org

Anyway this issue is dead as far as I'm concerned because Big Brain Carlo knows a hell of a lot more than you or I and he says he trusts a document showing 41 corpses burned per muffle per day

https://embed.kiwifarms.st/threads/...t-the-holocaust-happened.103122/post-10252989

 

[Lemmingwise]

I wish everyone in this thread good luck arguing with an obvious shill, who only posts about a single topic.

i get paid by the hour lol

 

[Bonesjones]

Remember that one time Chugger posted a link saying it said something, when it directly contradicts what he says it says. Man if only that one time wasn't every time.

Why would they use 'civilian' style cremators?

Auschwitz-Birkenau Crematoria: Civilian Ovens Comparison - Holocaust Denial on Trial

It takes hours to burn one body in a civilian crematorium. How could the ovens at Auschwitz-Birkenau cremate nearly 900,000 victims in a two-year period? At Auschwitz-Birkenau, the ovens operated continuously, burning multiple bodies at once. We cannot compare that to the cremation process in...

www.hdot.org

Anyway this issue is dead as far as I'm concerned because Big Brain Carlo knows a hell of a lot more than you or I and he says he trusts a document showing 41 corpses burned per muffle per day

https://embed.kiwifarms.st/threads/...t-the-holocaust-happened.103122/post-10252989

Lol you posted a picture of an cremator that clearly only has room for one person and think it absolved you from saying you can just shove more people in there, and you can stuff more bodies in and yet keep cremation times identical.

Again all you do is post separate facts like they are in a vacuum, hoping no one can connect the dots.