Science Jasenovac: The Latest Holocaust Embarrassment

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Funny how it goes with the Holocaust story: time and again, an ugly bit of truth slips out. When that happens, yet one more piece of the charade comes to light, for all to see. For a brief moment, one more embarrassing truth catches the public eye, only to quickly be cast into the depths of the memory hole. Only through diligence, hard work, and a bit of luck do such things come to assume a greater significance.

This time, sharp eyes caught the slip-up. The issue in question is an obscure World War II concentration camp in present-day Croatia, by the name of Jasenovac. The camp—which operated for around three and a half years, from mid-1941 until war’s end—is, by any reasonable accounting, all but irrelevant to the Holocaust story. Even according to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, only some “12,000 to 20,000 Jews” died there, which means that the camp accounts for, at best, 0.33% of the presumed Jewish death toll of 6 million. Were it not for a recent blunder by the Jerusalem Post, I would likely never have spent a moment on the topic. In the grand Holocaust narrative, there are much larger fish to fry. But the latest gaff gives us a chance to shine a light on the on-going fraud that is the Holocaust. When the Jews themselves put a foot in their collective mouths, we should make the most of it.

The subject at hand is an article that briefly appeared on the Post website, titled “This disgraceful mocking of the Holocaust needs to stop now” (now available here; the original URL has been deleted). Written by an Australian journalist named David Goldman, the short essay obsesses over a three-year-old Croatian television interview in which historian and Croatian Jew Ivo Goldstein expounds on the “increasingly problematic” camp at Jasenovac. The interview, from 2018, included this question of Goldstein: “Many have commented on the lack of forensic evidence from this particular camp. Can you explain why this is the case?” (meaning, why there is an absence of evidence). Goldstein then dropped his “bombshell” reply: “Because in April 1945, Hitler flew in special machines to Jasenovac. These machines were used to dissolve the bones that were left.”

Several points here: One, in all of Holocaust historiography, there is no actual or even rumored documentation of any such “bone dissolving machines.” There were alleged bone crushers, driven by diesel engines; here is one alleged photo. But these have been shown to be fraudulent.[1] The Nazis also allegedly used chlorinated lime (quicklime) to try to decompose corpses at Treblinka and Belzec, but this chemical, when used, only reduces the odor; it does nothing to hasten decomposition. “Dissolving,” especially for bones, implies the use of acid or some other strong chemical process, but again, such claims are completely unknown in the literature. Hence Goldman rightly refers to these as “hitherto unheard-of machines.” Perhaps there was some confusion on Goldstein’s part, and he actually meant ‘crushing,’ not ‘dissolving.’ But again, we have no reliable evidence that such crushing machines were ever used by the Germans.

Two, this idea seems to be a pure invention by Goldstein to explain away a troublesome fact, namely, lack of forensic evidence at Jasenovac—meaning any corpses, ash, or other human remains. And by “pure invention,” I mean an outright lie. By all accounts, Goldstein lied to cover up a critical and damning fact. Anyone who has studied the Holocaust story knows that such lies are legion.[2]

Three, the whole premise that the Germans, in the final throes of defeat, would take the trouble to send anything like “bone dissolving machines” to an obscure camp in Croatia is patently absurd, as Goldman points out. The whole idea is nonsense.

Perhaps most significantly, this little episode brings to mind similar claims about the more important camps like Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Belzec. Lacking physical evidence, how can we justify claims of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or a million Holocaust victims at these camps? For the journalist Goldman, however, the lies about Jasenovac only “contaminate” the larger Holocaust story, which he accepts unquestioningly. As he says, “Why allow the contamination of Holocaust history with a place [Jasenovac] that cannot provide any independent forensic evidence past a few thousand victims, and that has an ever-increasing—including in 2021—victim list that has been repeatedly proven to have been doctored?” Indeed; and we can ask the same question about virtually all of the conventional Holocaust sites. The implications are dire for Jews everywhere.

A Short Course on Jasenovac

It is worthwhile taking a moment to review the conventional history of this camp, given the many lessons it offers here. It is undisputed that Jasenovac was established under the auspices of the Nazi-aligned government of occupied Croatia known as the Ustasa (or Ustase, or Ustashi). The camp was constructed in August 1941, not long after Hitler began his invasion of the Soviet Union. It consisted of five separate facilities, two of which were short-lived, but the other three—Ciglana, Kozara, and Stara Gradiska—operated right until the virtual end of the war in April 1945. The purpose of the camp is disputed; some claim it was strictly a detention and work camp, whereas others declare it to be an extermination center on par with the worst camps of Poland. By all accounts, several thousand people died there—mostly Serbs, but also Jews, Roma, and scattered numbers of Muslims and Croatian political enemies.

The numbers of victims, and especially the numbers of Jews, are the main points of contention. Like most Holocaust camps and death sites, the range of estimates is vast. Individuals sympathetic to the Ustasa regime, like former president Franjo Tudjman, regularly gave figures of just 3,000 to 4,000 total. Such numbers date back to the first forensic examinations of the camp in 1947. But by the 1970s and 1980s, the numbers were rising; the 1990 Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (p. 189) claimed, without evidence, that around 300,000 bodies were discovered and exhumed there.

Yet even this number was insufficient for our Holocaust propagandists. One recent article notes that, over past decades, “historians have estimated that between 700,000 and 1,000,000 people were killed at Jasenovac.” Serbian publications of the 1990s cited figures as high as 1.2 million.[3] Of these, around 15% are claimed to have been Jews—meaning, potentially 100,000 to 150,000. At that upper estimate, this would put Jasenovac well ahead of Majdanek in terms of Jewish death toll, and approaching the status of a Sobibor. If, on the other hand, Jews were 15% of, say, 3,000 fatalities, it would mean an utterly inconsequential 400 or 500 deaths. Much is at stake.

Today, though, the more commonly accepted estimates are much closer to the low end than the high. The current Croatian government seems to accept a figure of 83,000 total deaths. The US Holocaust Memorial Museum claims that “the Ustasa regime murdered between 77,000 and 99,000 people in Jasenovac between 1941 and 1945.” Of these, some 12,000 to 20,000 are claimed to have been Jews. Still, the USHMM is not very sanguine about their own estimates:

Determining the number of victims for…Jasenovac is highly problematic, due to the destruction of many relevant documents, the long-term inaccessibility to independent scholars of those documents that survived, and the ideological agendas of postwar partisan scholarship and journalism, which has been and remains influenced by ethnic tension, religious prejudice, and ideological conflict. The estimates offered here are based on the work of several historians who have used census records as well as whatever documentation was available in German, Croat, and other archives in the former Yugoslavia and elsewhere.
As I noted above, even 20,000 Jewish deaths are largely irrelevant to the broader Holocaust narrative.

A Rebuttal

Goldman’s short essay drew a quick and furious response from Dejan Ristic, the acting director of the Serbian Museum of Genocide Victims. It was published in the Jerusalem Post just two days after Goldman’s original piece. Serbia, of course, has an incentive to promote high numbers of victims, and especially high numbers of Serbs, because it enhances their victimhood status and promotes their nationalist agenda. But more important than high numbers is the overall integrity of the camp as a legitimate Holocaust site and not as a whimsical political ragdoll that has victim numbers ranging over nearly three orders of magnitude, and that is entirely lacking in relevant evidence.

Ristic’s rebuttal—“Shame on those who seek to revise history of the Holocaust”—is as poorly argued as it is poorly written. (Though, oddly, the Post website still displays this rebuttal, whereas the original essay is long gone.) Ristic expresses “astonishment” at the “pseudo-scientific and revisionist text” by Goldman, which contains, he says, little more than “a series of inaccurate statements and semi-information.” Ristic is incensed that Goldman dares to cite the ragged history of victim numbers; the Museum clearly accepts a figure in the mainstream range (80,000 to 90,000), though with the opportunity for higher figures in the future. Ristic writes, “As the research of the experts of the Museum…continues, it is to be expected that the number of Jasenovac victims will be corrected. … The estimated total number of victims is, unfortunately, far higher than the one that historical science will ever be able to identify with the precise data.” He is anxious to quell all thoughts of a mere few thousand deaths, and he equally seeks to avoid any suggestion that the figure approaches a million or more; as he well knows, both extremes threaten to undermine all credibility about the camp.

Most amusingly, in his entire lengthy rebuttal, Ristic never once mentions the “bombshell” about the bone-dissolving machines—not once. This is a tacit admission that the point holds, that no evidence was sought or found, and that the whole basis for Jasenovac as a top-tier death camp rests on little more than rumor and innuendo, if not outright falsehood.

The central problem for both Ristic and Goldman, however, is that their back-and-forth arguments promise to expose the far more consequential problems of the main Holocaust camps. In fact, Ristic does the nasty work for us. He writes, “we could ask a question as to whether it is possible to deny, in the same way, the number of 1,200,000 to 1,500,000 killed in Auschwitz since there is no forensic evidence for that claim either?” Touché, Mr. Ristic! The irony is that he is entirely correct, of course. No evidence (or scarcely any) for Auschwitz; none for Treblinka; none for Belzec—the same old story.

Grave Implications

Goldman’s main beef is with the ad hoc lie of the bone-dissolving machines, but this echoes the many, far more grievous lies about Auschwitz, Belzec, Treblinka, and indeed all six of the so-called death camps.[4] Of these, Goldman of course is silent. But he does decry the ongoing process of myth-formation surrounding a camp like Jasenovac, “where myths of Serbian and Jewish suffering were interwoven, providing a new series of national myths” (to cite the author David McDonald). Goldman, though, naturally avoids the similar but far greater myth-formation process about Auschwitz, the other camps, and the broader Holocaust. It is this very myth-formation process that has led to numbers like 1 million Jews gassed at Auschwitz, when, on the far more plausible revisionist thesis, perhaps 150,000 Jews died there—and none in gas chambers.

Likewise, Goldman ridicules the notion of human remains “yet to be discovered” at Jasenovac, and he rightly jabs a finger at the Yugoslav government, which, “during its 47-year rule of the site, never bothered once to try and locate these mysterious ‘missing’ remains.” The same, of course, can be said for the current Croatian government and its on-going 30-year rule. (One strongly suspects that there are simply no remains to be found there.) But this again raises the same question for the other camps: Where are the remains of anything approaching 1 million Jewish bodies at Auschwitz? Or 900,000 Jewish bodies at Treblinka? Or 600,000 Jewish bodies at Belzec? Do we have anything? Bodies, bones, ash—anything? Do we even have the holes in the ground where the Germans were said to bury the hundreds of thousands of victims, only to later dig them up and burn them “to ash” on open-air fires over wooden logs? Based on my years of research, the answer to all these questions is ‘no.’

What about the alleged 1 million Jews killed in the various ghettos? Where are their remains? What about the alleged 1.6 million Jews killed by shootings, mostly along the Eastern front; where are their remains? (Such figures are stated or implied by all of our experts, and are absolutely required to get us to the mandatory “6 million” total.) Not all of their remains, mind you, or even most of them. We would be satisfied with, say, half, or even a quarter, as long as we had a good explanation for the remainder. But instead we get stories of “600 bodies found here” and “250 bodies found there” and ashes consistent with perhaps “a few thousand bodies” at most. These are so far short of the “6 million” that they constitute an effective refutation of that very figure. Just as the “700,000 to 1 million” at Jasenovac is a farce, so too is the “6 million Jews” for the broader Holocaust.[5]

And yet, our intrepid reporter David Goldman has the gall to write, “Those who have conflated the only [!] wartime concentration camp without any verifiable data, with scientifically proven [!] Holocaust facts, have done immeasurable harm to Jewish history.” He is either ignorant of the truth or deliberately covering up the reality. The true “immeasurable harm” has been done by his fellow Jews and their intellectual lackeys who, for decades, have promoted an unsustainable myth of Jewish suffering.

The days of the “6 million” are numbered, and I suspect that Goldman, Goldstein, and friends know it. When that crumbles, so too collapses what little remains of Jewish credibility. When the orthodox Holocaust story goes down, the dominoes may well begin to fall. And when that happens, all bets are off.

Thomas Dalton, PhD, has authored or edited several books and articles on politics, history, and religion, with a special focus on National Socialism. His works include a new translation series of Mein Kampf, and the books Eternal Strangers (2020), The Jewish Hand in the World Wars (2019), and Debating the Holocaust (4th ed, 2020). Most recently he has edited a new edition of Rosenberg’s classic Myth of the 20th Century and a new book of political cartoons, Pan-Judah!. All these works are available at www.clemensandblair.com. For all his writings, see his personal website www.thomasdaltonphd.com.


[1] All alleged use of Nazi ’bone crushers’ to eliminate bodily evidence has been refuted in recent years. The machines in the few extant photos are likely conventional gravel ball mills used in road construction in the early 20th century. See the discussion in The Einsatzgruppen in the Occupied Eastern Territories (2018, C. Mattogno, Castle Hill Publishers), pp. 481-484. See also the online article “The bone mill of Lemberg” (2013).

[2] My all-time favorite Holocaust liar is Herman Rosenblat, who fabricated the whole “angel at the fence” story in the 1990s. His television interview in 2009, in which he openly confesses to the lie, is so audacious, so brazen, and so deluded that it stands as a monument to Jewish mendacity. The video is so instructive that it can’t be circulated enough.

[3] Benčić, A. (2018). “Koncentracijski logor Jasenovac: konfliktno ratno nasljeđe i osporavani muzejski postav.” Polemos XXI (41): 37–63.

[4] Such lies are vast, both in content and type. They cover all aspects of the Holocaust, and include overt lies, lies of omission, half-truths, dissembling, gross exaggeration, hyperbole, and many more. They were promoted by survivors, “eyewitnesses,” coerced and captive Germans, and present-day “experts.” I can’t begin to elaborate these here; they are the subject of several dedicated books. For starters, one might refer to Auschwitz Lies (G. Rudolf and C. Mattogno, 2017, Castle Hill), Treblinka (C. Mattogno and J. Graf, 2020, Castle Hill), or Belzec (C. Mattogno, 2016, Castle Hill). Or for a good overview of these issues, see my own work Debating the Holocaust (2020, Castle Hill).

[5] This is not to deny that many thousands of Jews did die during the National Socialist era. By most revisionist accounts, perhaps 500,000 in total died, from all causes. But this is more than a 90% reduction from the claimed 6 million. And it reduces Jewish deaths to a mere footnote in the larger catastrophe that was World War II.
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I know a lot of people here in A&N like wanking off about "muh Jews" but the NDH is almost entirely irrelevant to the Holocaust. Mainstream accounts generally contend that the NDH only killed ~30K Jews during the entire history of the regime.

Jasenovac did get massively over-exaggerated historically, largely because of Serbian politicking to make themselves seem even more victimized. Jews rarely factor into the story of Jasenovac, indeed some sources claim Jews helped run the camps. Not an unfounded claim mind you, the Ustasa hated Serbs far more than it hated the Jews and did grant citizenship to some Jews during the NDH's short run.

However, with modern evidence, the numbers killed at Jasenovac look likely to be in the 70-100K range. 150-200 mass graves have been found in the area of Jasenovac, although reportedly many corpses were just dumped in the nearby Sava River as well.

Overall, at least when one ignores Serbia's inflated figures, there isn't too much contradiction about the NDH's reported actions at Jasenovac and what seems to have happened. Ante Pavelic and the Ustasa's goal of cleansing Croatia of non-Croats (barring the Bosniaks, who were tolerated since Croatia annexed Bosnia) was pretty openly stated by Pavelic and not kept a secret as Germany's machinations (or supposed machinations) were.
 
@3119967d0c Do you have the original article link?

The subject at hand is an article that briefly appeared on the Post website, titled “This disgraceful mocking of the Holocaust needs to stop now” (now available here; the original URL has been deleted).

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However, with modern evidence, the numbers killed at Jasenovac look likely to be in the 70-100K range. 150-200 mass graves have been found in the area of Jasenovac, although reportedly many corpses were just dumped in the nearby Sava River as well.


So there was a lack of evidence to prove between 12,000 to 20,000 victims, so much so that it required the invention of hitler flying to croatia in april 1945 when berlin was being shelled to use an unknown machine to dissolve the bones of all those victims..... and this means instead there must have been 70-100K victims in Jasenovac instead? What kind of trickery is this?

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Even if we believe the six million figure, Commies still outdid them way worse.

Even with the jewed figures, the good guys lost.
 
So there was a lack of evidence to prove between 12,000 to 20,000 victims, so much so that it required the invention of hitler flying to croatia in april 1945 when berlin was being shelled to use an unknown machine to dissolve the bones of all those victims..... and this means instead there must have been 70-100K victims in Jasenovac instead? What kind of trickery is this?
No, this article and the Jerusalem Post article are full of retardation. Nobody claimed the bone-dissolving machines were a thing at Jasenovac until the aformentioned article, which I think created the bone-"dissolving" claim. The original claims (like from the 1940s-1990s) were far over-exaggerated, literally 700K-1 mil range. After evaluating the actual evidence, historians have dropped the values to the 70K-100K range. Mostly Serbs, with a mix of Jews, Roma and Croat/Bosniak dissidents rounding it out as a smaller subset. Serbs were the primary victims, regardless of their over-exaggeration, and I don't really think Jasenovac should have it's narrative be hijacked to become a minor sideshow of the Holocaust.

And there wasn't a need for the claimed bone-dissolving machines. (Which are a bizarre fucking claim BTW. Like, cremulators are a thing but they don't dissolve bones) The Ustasa just buried the bodies or dumped them in the river. Some of the bodies were burned towards the end, with some graves being dug up to be just ash and scattered bones, but IIRC most of the mass graves in Jasenovac were just piles of corpses.


NDH? What has the band Megaherz to do with killing Jews?
I'm a sped, so forgive me if this goes unneeded, but NDH stands for Nezavisna Država Hrvatska, the Croat name for the Independent State of Croatia.
 
I'm a sped, so forgive me if this goes unneeded, but NDH stands for Nezavisna Država Hrvatska, the Croat name for the Independent State of Croatia.
No, it stands for Neue Deutsche Härte, a 90s rock scene.

Learn some history.
 
@3119967d0c Do you have the original article link?



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So there was a lack of evidence to prove between 12,000 to 20,000 victims, so much so that it required the invention of hitler flying to croatia in april 1945 when berlin was being shelled to use an unknown machine to dissolve the bones of all those victims..... and this means instead there must have been 70-100K victims in Jasenovac instead? What kind of trickery is this?

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Reminds me when they exhumed some mass grave in Belarus or somewhere and instead of analyzing the bones just decided they were of the Tribe's six million dead and left them alone.
 
Reminds me when they exhumed some mass grave in Belarus or somewhere and instead of analyzing the bones just decided they were of the Tribe's six million dead and left them alone.
They did something similar with a treblinka study a couple of years back. Dug up a christan graveyard and pawned it of as a jewish mass grave.

Problem as they filmed it so you could see the cross of a graveyard in the back
 
I know a lot of people here in A&N like wanking off about "muh Jews" but the NDH is almost entirely irrelevant to the Holocaust. Mainstream accounts generally contend that the NDH only killed ~30K Jews during the entire history of the regime.

Jasenovac did get massively over-exaggerated historically, largely because of Serbian politicking to make themselves seem even more victimized. Jews rarely factor into the story of Jasenovac, indeed some sources claim Jews helped run the camps. Not an unfounded claim mind you, the Ustasa hated Serbs far more than it hated the Jews and did grant citizenship to some Jews during the NDH's short run.

However, with modern evidence, the numbers killed at Jasenovac look likely to be in the 70-100K range. 150-200 mass graves have been found in the area of Jasenovac, although reportedly many corpses were just dumped in the nearby Sava River as well.

Overall, at least when one ignores Serbia's inflated figures, there isn't too much contradiction about the NDH's reported actions at Jasenovac and what seems to have happened. Ante Pavelic and the Ustasa's goal of cleansing Croatia of non-Croats (barring the Bosniaks, who were tolerated since Croatia annexed Bosnia) was pretty openly stated by Pavelic and not kept a secret as Germany's machinations (or supposed machinations) were.
There's still a picture that I believe is still historically corroborated showing the Ustasa sawing off a Seebian man's head, plus their own literature demonstrated a genocidal intent against the Serbs, so yeah, they probably intended to cleanse the Serbs from Croatia and Bosnia and probably put some work into achieving it.

As for the death of six million Jews, I don't see how the numbers killed don't add up, especially since we can see how three million Polish Jews simply disappeared during the war, not to mention the two million or so living in the USSR. The idea that there weren't that many Jews in Europe to kill or that Hitler and the Nazi regime were against the idea of killing people is retarded, especially when their cavalier attitude towards killing non Jews is so readily apparent.
 
They did something similar with a treblinka study a couple of years back. Dug up a christan graveyard and pawned it of as a jewish mass grave.

Problem as they filmed it so you could see the cross of a graveyard in the back
I really wonder if the Holocaust will ever not be a taboo subject to debate the veracity of or if everyone who questions the numbers, mass graves, etc. will just be lumped in with DailyStormer schizos who say it didn't happen but it'd be based if it did. Unless it's a narrative revision, like the old Auschwitz death toll being 2.5 million.
 
I really wonder if the Holocaust will ever not be a taboo subject to debate the veracity of or if everyone who questions the numbers, mass graves, etc. will just be lumped in with DailyStormer schizos who say it didn't happen but it'd be based if it did. Unless it's a narrative revision, like the old Auschwitz death toll being 2.5 million.
From my standpoint, it's important to never forget, but that's completely different from never shut the fuck up about it. As for it not being taboo someday, it's possible, just likely not in our lifetimes, just like for questioning the dogma on Apartheid, Colonialism or Civil Rights.
 
especially since we can see how three million Polish Jews simply disappeared during the war, not to mention the two million or so living in the USSR
The problem with this is that you have to depend on USSR recordkeeping.

With the purge of jewish leadership from the USSR and the millions of deaths in gulags, it's really hard to say how many people disappeared where exactly. It's all but a straightforward manner. What really went on behind the iron curtain?

I don't doubt the murderousness of german leadership at the time and I don't doubt their animosity to jews in general, but it certainly seemed a mutual thing with such things as the morgenthau plan being a kind of mirror for the hunger plan, and there are earlier examples animosity even before the war.
 
The problem with this is that you have to depend on USSR recordkeeping.

With the purge of jewish leadership from the USSR and the millions of deaths in gulags, it's really hard to say how many people disappeared where exactly. It's all but a straightforward manner. What really went on behind the iron curtain?

I don't doubt the murderousness of german leadership at the time and I don't doubt their animosity to jews in general, but it certainly seemed a mutual thing with such things as the morgenthau plan being a kind of mirror for the hunger plan, and there are earlier examples animosity even before the war.
I'll generally agree with you on Soviet obfuscation, but for all Stalins antisemitism he never planned on exterminating all Soviet Jewry and his targets were primarily intelligentsia, not random Jewish shtetls in Belarus and Ukraine. As for Poland, their census records clearly show 3.3 million Jews lived there in the late 30s, and most records suggest that only about 300k to 500k survived, especially since their later censuses only show about 50k living there after the war.

There's no doubt there was mutual animosity during and after the war, but I think the scale is somewhat different in the acts. Plus, it's not like the French or the British weren't obsessively intent on destroying German military power so they couldn't present a serious threat.

As an interesting aside, most Jews were generally pro German before 33, since the Kaiserreich was better in its treatment of Jews than most of its neighbors. Anecdotally speaking, my grandfather's small village in Belarus was liquidated during the war because my great grandfather convinced them to stay because he remembered how well he was treated by the Germans when he was taken prisoner during one of the Brusilov offensives.
 
his targets were primarily intelligentsia,
Considering the large numbers of people who were sent to and died at gulags, I find it hard to imagine the majority of those people were intelligentsia, even though they were being targetted.

most records suggest that only about 300k to 500k survived, especially since their later censuses only show about 50k living there after the war.
I think this shows rather that alternate conclusions can be reached than "must be dead". I know my family left indonesia pretty quickly after being free fom japanese camps. Go by census and they'd be dead, i guess.

There's no doubt there was mutual animosity during and after the war, but I think the scale is somewhat different in the acts
The scale is only different if we take official holocaust numbers at face value.

As an interesting aside, most Jews were generally pro German before 33, since the Kaiserreich was better in its treatment of Jews than most of its neighbors
And yet there was a jewish led attempted coup in 1918
 
Considering the large numbers of people who were sent to and died at gulags, I find it hard to imagine the majority of those people were intelligentsia, even though they were being targetted.
Obviously, but most of the purges were in the larger cities or were undertaken during the forced collectivization schemes. My point was that the Soviet repression was primarily aimed at social groups and classes rather than wiping out entire ethnic groups.
I think this shows rather that alternate conclusions can be reached than "must be dead". I know my family left indonesia pretty quickly after being free fom japanese camps. Go by census and they'd be dead, i guess.
Not just the Polish census, you're also talking about Soviet, Israeli, and American censuses afterwards. If the numbers of Polish Jews killed were so low, you would see millions of Polish Jews fleeing into Israel or the US after the war, which didn't happen. This isn't to say that all three million were killed in the concentration camps, but three million people don't just disappear so easily and remain alive.
The scale is only different if we take official holocaust numbers at face value.
Uh, no. I don't recall any Jews going into German towns and engaging in mass executions after the war. The Morgenthau Plan, as I recall, still wasn't implemented.
And yet there was a jewish led attempted coup in 1918
A communist led revolution where Jews were overrepresented in the leadership roles does not mean that all of the half a million German Jews overwhelmingly supported it or were against the German Empire, considering how many served the Empire during the war. Plus, there's a bunch of gentiles in that list of yours leading the Communists.
 
The main victims at Jasenovac were Serbs. There were never many Jews in Croatia compared to places such as Poland or the Ukraine, and Serbs were the main victims of the Ustaše government's policies. But, just like the Poles who died at Auschwitz, it seems that their lives matter far less than a handful of Jews.

If someone with a last name like Kowalski tried to imply that no Jews ever died at Treblinka and that Poles were the real victims at an extermination camp designed for killing Jews, people would be crying "anti-Semite" from the rooftops. You have to wonder why nobody calls someone who implies that Jews were the real victims of an anti-Serbian genocide an anti-Serbian bigot, and whether the fact that someone's surname is Goldstein has anything to do with it.
 
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