Why Some People Think 2+2=5 - ...and why they're right.

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Why Some People Think 2+2=5
...and why they're right.


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By Caroline Delbert

  • Former mathematician Kareem Carr says it's important to know what your math is abstracting for you.
  • People are always ready to argue about math on Twitter.
  • Carr applies his math knowledge to study human genetic markers of cancer at Harvard.
Critical armchair mathematicians are having a moment after a thread about the created nature of numbers spread on Twitter.

Kareem Carr, a biostatistics Ph.D. student at Harvard University, says that sharing his ideas about numbers and abstraction to a large audience on Twitter helps him find others who think differently and are excited about connecting theory to reality.

And while some bad-faith critics have flooded his notifications with unkind assumptions, he’s still happy to put his ideas out there.

In his original thread, Carr points out some simple, but provocative truths about the world. “Our numbers, our quantitative measures, are abstractions of real underlying things in the universe and it's important to keep track of this when we use numbers to model the real world,” one tweet reads.

Carr grounds it in the real ways statistical models are being used to harm, for example, marginalized groups across many parameters: “Whenever you create a numerical construct like IQ or an aggression score or a sentiment score, it's important to remember that properties of this score might not mirror the real things being measured.”


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“There's a need for this sort of thinking, because we're basically turning everything into data,” Carr tells Popular Mechanics. “Because we're turning more and more domains into data, it's becoming more and more important. If we're going to be a world that's just in apps, we need to be sure these things are working how we think they work.”

Carr hasn’t said anything really controversial here, unless just saying mathematically nuanced things is inherently controversial on Twitter. The idea that the counting numbers—whole values only, excluding fractions and decimals—are somehow “naturally occurring” is a common fallacy among people who aren’t trained in math or, say, human development.

Babies acquire numbers one at a time and top out at a handful unless their families and teachers introduce larger and continuously countable numbers to them. Some non-human animals demonstrate an ability to “count” up to four or five and are considered exceptional even for this.

There’s also a language assumption at play, what novelist China Mieville has called an “unpersuasive notion of language as a clear pane of glass.” Everything we say and write is mediated through, well, a medium. The same way recorded music necessarily lops off the most extreme highs and lows by nature of technology, the terms we use are approximations that can never be totally true to what we think or feel, what we see, and how the world appears.

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How music is recorded and compressed is a model. Language is a model, mathematics is a model, and troubled metrics like IQ are models, too. It benefits no one—or, perhaps, only the people in power—to pretend they’re universal truths instead of engaging with the consequences of each model.

Carr says he’s always been interested in the interaction between the “pure” mathematics and where those ideas are actually applied—in a sense, the colorful pane of glass we install in order to view math in our lives. “Here's this thing off to the side and it's called math. And over here you have real life, scientific method, and concrete things that are happening in the physical world,” he explains.

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While studying pure math, he grew frustrated by the combination of abstraction and fallible human conclusions—no one’s fault, he says, just a mismatch in interests. So he began working in and studying biostatistics, analyzing genetic sequencing data collected from patients and looking for markers of cancer.

That’s what he’s still doing now, and his exciting thesis, which combines his interests into a very clever answer to a statistical question, will be published next year.
 
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Whelp the left has unironically become the Party from 1984.

I am just going to start drinking myself to death now.
 
Most of the people who parrot this anti-reality shit aren't sincere. They know it's wrong, but they're terrified of the very small group of true believers who will ruin them at a moment's notice for not playing along. When it comes time to correct this egregious sociopolitical error - and that time will come - do not let the indolent enablers who allowed it to get this bad in order to protect their precious careers to get away with their omni-destructive cowardice.
 
Basically, it's a lot more exciting and self-affirming to destroy the old and call it a day than to replace the old with anything that makes sense or has value.

I'm not a big Jordan Peterson fan, but the far-left hated that guy almost exactly as much as they hate white nationalists just for being a mainstream figure who was willing to criticize some of the tenets of postmodernism. That says a lot. Atomized, rootless people who don't believe in anything are easy to control, because they naturally want to attach themselves to something with order and meaning. If you convince these people the culture they were born into has value and is worth preserving, you're chipping away at the left's ideological power base, so the left gets very defensive.
 
So are all math problems in public school just going to be word problems because decimals are too hard for some people? God that sounds like a nightmare. I feel really bad for future engineers/people that have to use real numbers because this type of stuff is just going to hold them back.
 
1984 was supposed to be a warning not an instruction book, and on that regard READ ANOTHER FUCKING BOOK
 
Numbers, my dear speds. Are ALL, ALWAYS abstractions. That is the good thing of maths. It is not bound by reality, it is a purely logical world we can use to craft models which are bound by real evidence by using its perfectly predictable nature due to the fact that they are, in fact, ABSOLUTE.

Exactly. That’s why we have imaginary numbers (i or the square root of -1). They’re not real, but they’re a representation of something that is the result of something that was initially thought to be real.

If you have two fully operational machines and half an operational machine, and two factories like that. they don't count the non-operational machine unless it's combined with the other non-operational machine, which is where they got 2 + 2 = 5 from.
If you have two fully operational machines and half an operational machine, and two factories like that. they don't count the non-operational machine unless it's combined with the other non-operational machine, which is where they got 2 + 2 = 5 from.

They're assuming that the performance of an object matters, which it doesn't for numerical problems. The only ways this isn’t the case is when the math problem makes the performance capabilities relevant, or you’re out on the field practicing this logic in real life. But not with equations with no context other than what is given.

If I have 10 oranges, and one of them is rotting, unless the rotting orange is relevant to the problem given, I still have ten oranges.
 
It's barely worth belaboring how 2+2=5 fails as mathematics, but it also fails as progressivism.

Let's go ahead and accept the premise that we can replace ordinary mathematics with word games, all of which are equally valid. Will this help dismantle the patriarchy, white supremacy, or whatever "The Man" is called this week? Unlikely, because now it's just a matter of whose word games are most popular. And the same people who like the idea of "2+2=5" will be quick to tell you that they're surrounded on all sides by Nazis fresh off the Gamergate assembly line, and that all of society is fundamentally rigged against them. Whose word games are going to win the popularity contest then?

Out in the real world, math and science are powerful forces for equality, because they transcend our cultural baggage. Nobody has a monopoly on these truths.
 
He seems to just beg a question over and over. Yes, we humans use symbols in everything, and finding out how people do things differently is cool. But a person who thinks a chicken being eaten by a fox is 1+1=1 is just..... kinda wrong.
Essentially you are slamming two equations together and from inside his head it's right.

But if he were to try and teach that to anyone, it falls flat. It is two equations, 1+1=2 then 2-1=1. The version we have of mathematics is how it is as it's symbols help others know what to do. Shorthand symbols do exist in high level mathematics, and those could be changed, but basic math like this is set in stone for a reason. For instance, upside down triangle is divergence operator, you could change it, but academia has made it official.
 
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Most of the people who parrot this anti-reality shit aren't sincere. They know it's wrong, but they're terrified of the very small group of true believers who will ruin them at a moment's notice for not playing along. When it comes time to correct this egregious sociopolitical error - and that time will come - do not let the indolent enablers who allowed it to get this bad in order to protect their precious careers to get away with their omni-destructive cowardice.
You give them too much credit, friendo. They do not know it is wrong. They think that it is right because whitey's views of the world must be wrong if mud hut "n-person" does not have the same beliefs. They do not understand the maths, but that does not matter. Their point is that western views created by white men are racist and fail to account for other ways of thinking and understanding the world. The symbols we use cannot be as concrete or defined as we want then to be. That is why they want people to question the nature of this basic math. Once you cause people to distrust math, you can make them distrust any facts or data. IQ does not show that someone is smarter because it is based on racist assumptions that we can disprove through semantic games.

Their goal is destruction. That is what they aim for. They will be given no quarter.
 
So are all math problems in public school just going to be word problems because decimals are too hard for some people?
Sure, and all word problems have already been replaced by subjective interpretation, less reliance on proper grammar and spelling, and ideological nonsense. The future looks bright, no?
 
I was watching this unfold in real time. I got a good laugh from the chucklefucks who would roll on in and say "wHat dOeS jAMeS LiNdSAy kNow ABoUt maTh?".

Then the mask slipped when trannies and their enablers decided 2 + 2 = 4 is transphobic, proving that this is, in fact, about forcing people to repeat obvious lies to suss out who's right with God "progressive" enough not to be unpersoned.

And all of this culminated in someone pointing out that, if Trump said "2 + 2 = 5", they would all be pummeling him for being a ret@rd. Some of the woke responded and said, completely sincerely and with no irony, that, yes!, of course, this is about context. So, if an unperson says "2 + 2 = 4", then 2 + 2 = 5. If an unperson says "2 + 2 = 5", then 2 + 2 = 4.

It's so transparent that it's starting to get boring.
 
I was watching this unfold in real time. I got a good laugh from the chucklefucks who would roll on in and say "wHat dOeS jAMeS LiNdSAy kNow ABoUt maTh?".

Then the mask slipped when trannies and their enablers decided 2 + 2 = 4 is transphobic, proving that this is, in fact, about forcing people to repeat obvious lies to suss out who's right with God "progressive" enough not to be unpersoned.

And all of this culminated in someone pointing out that, if Trump said "2 + 2 = 5", they would all be pummeling him for being a ret@rd. Some of the woke responded and said, completely sincerely and with no irony, that, yes!, of course, this is about context. So, if an unperson says "2 + 2 = 4", then 2 + 2 = 5. If an unperson says "2 + 2 = 5", then 2 + 2 = 4.

It's so transparent that it's starting to get boring.
So I want to make sure I understand: the erroneous statement 2 + 2 = 5 is used to determine if you're retarded enough to believe that a male who slices off his wang and claims to be female is a true and accurate statement?

I never thought I'd say this but if Hitler suddenly popped up and asked me to join him in riding the world of degenerates and commies I wouldn't hesitate to say yes.
 
So I want to make sure I understand: the erroneous statement 2 + 2 = 5 is used to determine if you're retarded enough to believe that a male who slices off his wang and claims to be female is a true and accurate statement?

I never thought I'd say this but if Hitler suddenly popped up and asked me to join him in riding the world of degenerates and commies I wouldn't hesitate to say yes.
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