Why couldn't the Roman gods protect Rome?

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The Roman Empire was the greatest regime, therefore they ought to have had the best gods on their side. Why then, did Rome experience countless sackings before being ultimately destroyed? Were these gods bad gods, or did these gods abandon the Romans?
 
Ironically the pagans asked the same question about the Christian god when Rome was sacked in 410 AD and 455 AD.
 
Caddchef said:
The roman Empire officially adopted Christianity in 323AD and fell in 476AD, draw your own conclusions.
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The God of Christianity destroys those that are degenerates, defilers, and proud sinners for their own good. Many pagan gods have those things as tenants of faith.
 
Realistic Elephant mk2 said:
Ironically the pagans asked the same question about the Christian god when Rome was sacked in 410 AD and 455 AD.
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Augustine said that:
1. The barbarians spared the Romans for the sake of Christ
2. That victors should spare the vanquished is completely unprecedented
3. It was dumb for the Romans to trust defeated gods which failed to protect Troy
4. Juno's sanctuary in Troy gave no protection from the Greeks, whereas the Christian churches gave protection from the barbarians
5. Even though the pagans and Christians both suffered, the suffering was altogether for different purposes. i.e. Christians suffer to strengthen their faith, pagans suffer as punishment for their evil
 
Crysocyan said:
Augustine said that:
1. The barbarians spared the Romans for the sake of Christ
2. That victors should spare the vanquished is completely unprecedented
3. It was dumb for the Romans to trust defeated gods which failed to protect Troy
4. Juno's sanctuary in Troy gave no protection from the Greeks, whereas the Christian churches gave protection from the barbarians
5. Even though the pagans and Christians both suffered, the suffering was altogether for different purposes. i.e. Christians suffer to strengthen their faith, pagans suffer as punishment for their evil
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Had a feeling you might know Augustine and would pick up on it when I wrote that.
 
Too busy protecting Greece, which is why the Greek-speaking/Eastern part of the Roman Empire lasted way longer than Western Rome
 
They did the rituals wrong. Roman religious rituals were quite clear that they definitely worked as long as you observed them correctly. One person sneezes, whole thing fails. If their pleas for protection failed, that's obviously why.
 
Crysocyan said:
Augustine said that:
1. The barbarians spared the Romans for the sake of Christ
2. That victors should spare the vanquished is completely unprecedented
3. It was dumb for the Romans to trust defeated gods which failed to protect Troy
4. Juno's sanctuary in Troy gave no protection from the Greeks, whereas the Christian churches gave protection from the barbarians
5. Even though the pagans and Christians both suffered, the suffering was altogether for different purposes. i.e. Christians suffer to strengthen their faith, pagans suffer as punishment for their evil
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gods punishment iniquities of ancient rome italians.jpeg
 
SouthernBitchBob said:
They did the rituals wrong. Roman religious rituals were quite clear that they definitely worked as long as you observed them correctly. One person sneezes, whole thing fails. If their pleas for protection failed, that's obviously why.
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Valerius Maximus has a ton of stories about that...somebody fucks up a completely trivial thing and the king gets overthrown, or killed by lightning, or whatever.

What's interesting is you can see how this influenced Christianity's sacramental theology. All of the sacraments involve proper form and matter or else they don't happen. So for example in Catholicism, if you mess around with the form or matter of baptism, penance or the Eucharist the sacrament never happened.

There was a situation up in Detroit, MI where a priest had to go through the sacraments and ordination again after someone found out he wasn't validly baptized because the deacon screwed around with the form.
 
Realistic Elephant mk2 said:
Valerius Maximus has a ton of stories about that...somebody fucks up a completely trivial thing and the king gets overthrown, or killed by lightning, or whatever.

What's interesting is you can see how this influenced Christianity's sacramental theology. All of the sacraments involve proper form and matter or else they don't happen. So for example in Catholicism, if you mess around with the form or matter of baptism, penance or the Eucharist the sacrament never happened.

There was a situation up in Detroit, MI where a priest had to go through the sacraments and ordination again after someone found out he wasn't validly baptized because the deacon screwed around with the form.
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Rituals are important, Elephant.

Bureaucracy isn't but ritualised worship.
 
Ewan McGregor said:
Rituals are important, Elephant.

Bureaucracy isn't but ritualised worship.
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Kind of funny how it all developed at the same time. At least you get something in return for religious bureaucracy, I just sit on the phone on hold with the FASB for half an hour and end up with even more work to do.
 
Realistic Elephant mk2 said:
Kind of funny how it all developed at the same time. At least you get something in return for religious bureaucracy, I just sit on the phone on hold with the FASB for half an hour and end up with even more work to do.
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I am disappointed you have not learned to worship the sacred queue. We will make you understand taking part in the sacred queue is a privilege for those allowed to access the form, upon which salvation can be granted by a government clerk.
 
They were, at best, demons that mislead the people. The pagan emperors who tried to destroy christianity couldn't even do it with all the power of the empire. Meanwhile roman mythology died out very quickly after the 4. century
 
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