Containment What will happen when Barb dies?

[James Howlett]

When did Chris ever make sure that Barb will be "taken care of"?

He's been taking care of the meal situation and had a friend check in on her during the last Brony-con. Teeth and nanner jokes aside, I think the fact that she's still at home and alive shows Chris has just barely enough sense to manage on his own after Barb is gone, at least for a while. I don't think Chris will need specialized services for at least another 10 years after she's gone, but I don't know when she's going to die, and obviously can't really predict some of the weirder stuff Chris has done before, and will probably do in the future.

 

[BananaBlue]

What makes you think Chris is incapable of living alone? He's already proven he can budget his finances (albeit, poorly). He can feed himself. Hell, he's even made sure Barb is taken care of (again, not the best, but it's something). Group home, maybe if he keeps getting into these legal trouble, but I think Chris can be more independent than you're giving him credit for.

I don't know fam. He barely has any income to work with and the way he spends money in things outside his basic needs (food, house, medical bills) I see this as a slippery slop to a more dramatic conclusion.
He has become so desperate with the e begging, he is now asking money for bjs.
I don't really think he has what it takes to manage a house all by himself. He got lucky with the donations so far, but once that stops, and it is stopping, he will have no place to turn since he refuses to work.

Not to mention he isn't the most mentally stable person. Don't forget his mutilated scrotum that he refuses to treat. He is a danger to himself without supervision.

I say that the loony house is his destiny due to his mental illness and medical background. The governmental will treat him as a sick person once his caretaker (his mum) passes, not fit to live without supervision. That is my take. I wonder how much money he is getting now from his mum (she is probably receiving some sort of government support, her pension or any other other financial support). That will end once she bites the dust. All Chris will have left is his tugboat, which isn't much and donations, which aren't enough for someone spending hundreds weekly on toys.

I'm hoping any of his friends (if he still has any close friends) give him a place to stay. Don't care if he is staying with more degenerates, but at least to be with someone to guide him an help him out more directly. Maybe help him grow as a person, something that is still waiting to happen with Chris.

 

[Marvin]

He barely has any income to work with and the way he spends money in things outside his basic needs (food, house, medical bills) I see this as a slippery slop to a more dramatic conclusion.

Chris pays his bills first and toys second. He's financially responsible in that way.

I say that the loony house is his destiny due to his mental illness and medical background. The governmental will treat him as a sick person once his caretaker (his mum) passes, not fit to live without supervision. That is my take.

That's not how it works in the United States. Having someone's legal autonomy taken away is an arduous process. The government has trouble confiscating children and dogs when they're being mistreated, let alone adults.

Chris is legally an adult. He doesn't have any official special status as a tard. So the government would have to prove that Chris is a complete nincompoop. HFA/Aspergers wouldn't cut it. They'd have to dig up evidence and present a case.

The government is not interested in fighting those kinds of battles on the reg. They don't maintain a stable of lawyers or a department or anything like that to hunt down tards who escaped when their parents die.

It just doesn't happen here.

When people like Chris do get put into homes, it's because of a local busybody (someone like Rocky) who pesters the authorities enough to ram the decision through the courts. There's no one like that in his life, and furthermore, it'd be difficult to do with Chris' situation. It's not like he's a non-verbal autist, or has a diagnosis like schizophrenia.

Hell, if Chris fought them on this, he could blame mangling his junk on gender dysphoria. He already got the state to acknowledge that when he changed his gender on his license to F, and when he convinced a doctor to prescribe him HRT.

 

[James Howlett]

I really wanted to reply to this more organically, but @Marvin beat me to the punch. That being said I'm still going to build off of his post and dig a bit deeper.

I don't know fam. He barely has any income to work with and the way he spends money in things outside his basic needs (food, house, medical bills) I see this as a slippery slop to a more dramatic conclusion.
He has become so desperate with the e begging, he is now asking money for bjs.

Chris has been able to maintain the "slippery slop" for almost a decade now. In 2012, I might have your same optimism about a "dramatic conclusion" but I've learned better at this point. The BJs? That's not out of financial desperation, that's just Chris shitting out things that are being fed to him.

I don't really think he has what it takes to manage a house all by himself. He got lucky with the donations so far, but once that stops, and it is stopping, he will have no place to turn since he refuses to work.

How do you figure it's stopping? In the past 2 weeks, he allegedly made almost 3 grand from toy sales, erotic art, and humiliating videos. If anything, Chris' getting more attention via Doopie and Pewdiepie and he knows how to capitalize off it from decades of trial and error.

Not to mention he isn't the most mentally stable person. Don't forget his mutilated scrotum that he refuses to treat. He is a danger to himself without supervision.

Browse the farms long enough, and the taint wound is pretty mild. We've looked at cows doing way worse to their bodies and still nobody steps in, in the legal sense. And again, that was years ago. Since then, Chris has stayed well fed, started "working out" and his mom is still alive.

I say that the loony house is his destiny due to his mental illness and medical background. The governmental will treat him as a sick person once his caretaker (his mum)

@Marvin went over this; Chris is no where close to being institutionalized. Group home, maybe down the road. But calling Barb Chris' "caretaker" is about the stupidest thing I've read in a while. Chris is in charge, and the responsible one of the house, which leads me to your next point:

That is my take. I wonder how much money he is getting now from his mum (she is probably receiving some sort of government support, her pension or any other other financial support).

Yeah, Barb gets medicaid and probably medicare for her teeth and shit. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Chris came out financially more stable without her around; When he can pay his bills, then lego/vidya, and not have to worry about nanners and teeth, he'd probably be ok, even paying off the mortgage of 14BC

That will end once she bites the dust.

Nope. See above. Chris will just keep chugging along like Chris does. It will just be easier because he won't have to coordinate friends to check on Barb when he's at Bro-con2020.

All Chris will have left is his tugboat, which isn't much and donations, which aren't enough for someone spending hundreds weekly on toys.

Tugboat isn't much, and donations have been pretty steady for the past 6-8 months. That being said, I would almost argue that Chris is doing the opposite of spending hundreds on toys. Sure, his toy budget is lame, but in the last two weeks, I wouldn't be surprised if one day we are all tipping our hats to Chris after he sells off the horde for hundreds of thousands of dollars to ween, and maybe even real fans, and has a clean house and plenty of money.

I would watch the newer, better Chris Documentaries, and maybe take some Ativan one night and just read the CWCiki for a night before posting this kind of theory again. In the meantime,

Welcome to the Farms. Enjoy your stay.

 

[Orkeosaurus]

He's met Chris plenty of times, his 18th birthday and Barb and Chris visited him in California once. It's actually kinda weird and maybe telling, but at some point starting in the early 2000s, Cole just decided he hated Barb and Chris. Now why just a few years later would an adult and long gone Cole just decide these people don't exist?

I think he hated Bob so much he wouldn't have anything to do with Chris. When Chris was in his 20's he passed the point where Cole could have reasonably expected to change Chris' mind about Barb and Bob, like during the Parappa incident. I am curious why Cole hate Bob so much though. I know Bob had a sordid past with his own kids but he never struck me like the kind of person who'd abuse a kid like Cole went through. Just seems like teenage stepfather angst to me.

 

[The Captain]

I think he hated Bob so much he wouldn't have anything to do with Chris. When Chris was in his 20's he passed the point where Cole could have reasonably expected to change Chris' mind about Barb and Bob, like during the Parappa incident. I am curious why Cole hate Bob so much though. I know Bob had a sordid past with his own kids but he never struck me like the kind of person who'd abuse a kid like Cole went through. Just seems like teenage stepfather angst to me.

Cole had a shitty upbringing, period.

Also, Bob was extremely right wing and Cole sits to the left, so there's also that.

And who would want anything to do with the army of JULAAAYS that follow Chris?

 

[Steverambo]

Full on institutionalization of Chris upon Barb's death is pretty damn unlikely. However, since he is on the tardbux for his exceptional condition, he definitely is known to the Virgina DSA as such. I've wrangled "clients" in group homes that were on par if not slightly more functional than Chris. If the DSA thinks he is at danger of self-neglect, they can go through a process to step in. Most likely if they get wind of him living alone under bad conditions, they may try to convince him to voluntarily come into a group home. These are usually run by 3rd party companies, and it makes money, so they do actively seek out "clients".

They would take over his bank account and basically pay all of his bills and take out money for food and necessities before giving him the rest for "spending money", and have staff come in to do daily checks and give medications, etc. Really the perfect set up for an eternal NEET like Chris, except that he'd have to put up with having roomies who are slow-in-the-minds, and staff that he doesn't know coming in everyday to make sure daily chores and shit get done.

It may work slightly different in Virginia btw, not up to date on the exact way every state does this.

 

[Marvin]

However, since he is on the tardbux for his exceptional condition, he definitely is known to the Virgina DSA as such.

I'm not sure they do, necessarily.

SSDI is a federal payout for a disability. I can't imagine they go over the list of disabilities, pick out the ones that involve mental problems, and preemptively contact the state authorities about it.

 

[Steverambo]

It's not like they go through each person on disability periodically looking for exceptionals. What happens is that when they are put on SSDI, they are also put in their state's particular agency that deals with these people, in this case of course, it's the Virginia DSA. Which means he has a case manager, somewhere. Who he has probably never heard from or even know they exist, because they usually have hundreds of cases each and they only do anything when there's known to be abuse/neglect or some other special circumstance that requires their interference.

So basically they'd only step in if knowledge gets to them of self-neglect that results in homelessness, or danger to health and safety. Considering his infamous status I'm sure at some point after Barb's death someone will report this to the authorities.

 

[BananaBlue]

I would watch the newer, better Chris Documentaries, and maybe take some Ativan one night and just read the CWCiki for a night before posting this kind of theory again. In the meantime,

Yeah, I can see now I have a dated notion and timeline of Chris's adventures. I kinda stopped following his shenanigans once his father died and chris went incognito. At that point the spectacle became too disturbing and sad to watch.
Anyways, I agree with what you said and your points make more sense than mine. For such an inept person, Chris did manage to have a "stable" life all by himself. That is more than a lot of normal, well adjusted people can brag about.

Chris needs to acknowledge he is sitting above a mine gold with his sonichu "property". If Chris focus on making more content like he did during the early years, I have no doubt people will donate thousands upon thousands of dollars through his patreon. He can become rich with his shitty sonic recolor. And we already know he is capable of dedicating himself to a long project.

I don't desire anything bad to anyone. Chris is a shit person, but he never harmed anyone. He is just misguided and he indeed changed, not much, but he changed.
Maybe he will eventually find a more productive path for his livelihood and future.

Chris is legally an adult. He doesn't have any official special status as a tard. So the government would have to prove that Chris is a complete nincompoop. HFA/Aspergers wouldn't cut it. They'd have to dig up evidence and present a case.

But Chris does get governmental financial support due to his medical disability. He wouldn't be alleged to such if it wasn't considered a legit case.
You can also argue that Bob pulled some strings to get Chris into that program, but Chris is a disabled person to US standards. I wonder how that will play out in future years.

With that said I agree with @James Howlett. I do think he is capable of living by himself. Don't know if the social services will acknowledge that and leave him be..

 

[LoveYouLongTime]

Look, the obvious solution is to convince Chris to sell the elusive autism papers. Subject that they survived the fire.

 

[Drawets Rednaxela]

I do think Chris is capable of living by himself.

Me too. Chris is the the equivalent of an old man caring for his terminally ill wife. Once Barb kicks the bucket he's going to have 24-hour days and a house full of hoard to do whatever the fuck he wants with. Now that'll be content worth waiting for.

 

[Marvin]

But Chris does get governmental financial support due to his medical disability. He wouldn't be alleged to such if it wasn't considered a legit case.

I'm not saying he's not a legit case. I'm saying that the government doesn't confer any special status on him as far as legal autonomy goes. In the US, you can't just be locked up without your consent if you haven't committed a crime. Only children or people who've signed away their power of attorney are vulnerable to that without a court case.

If Barb dies, they go stomping over to 14BC and say "hey, Chris, you're retarded and going into a group home!" he can tell them to fuck off and they basically can't do anything about it.

And the burden of proof is pretty high for doing something about it.

 

[Tubular Monkey]

I think the crazy is going to get turned up to eleven when she dies. I expect there will be public tantrums, and that he'll eventually fall apart so badly that he gets arrested and held over for psych. A man with a five year old's brain is not going to flourish when he's left completely alone.

 

[Armchair Psychologist]

I'm not saying he's not a legit case. I'm saying that the government doesn't confer any special status on him as far as legal autonomy goes. In the US, you can't just be locked up without your consent if you haven't committed a crime. Only children or people who've signed away their power of attorney are vulnerable to that without a court case.

If Barb dies, they go stomping over to 14BC and say "hey, Chris, you're exceptional and going into a group home!" he can tell them to fuck off and they basically can't do anything about it.

And the burden of proof is pretty high for doing something about it.

I feel like the only way the state would intervene is in the event of homelessness. He's got too big of a following for someone not to speak up about it. Well either homelessness or in the event he commits a violent offense, which ever comes first.

 

[break these cuffs]

I feel like the only way the state would intervene is in the event of homelessness. He's got too big of a following for someone not to speak up about it. Well either homelessness or in the event he commits a violent offense, which ever comes first.

I don't know about Virgina, but here anyone can go through the process of getting someone involuntarily committed. Though I think you'd have a hard time getting a physician to fill out the paperwork if you aren't family, a medical professional/social worker currently caring for the subject, or a police officer. The burden of proof around here is that you have to believe the person is mentally ill and that they pose a substantial threat of harm to themselves or others. My understanding that means they have to have a history of violent behavior that has caused such harm and they are exhibiting that kind of behavior again, or that they are planning to commit violent acts. Even that is specific. Saying you want kick someone's ass isn't enough. You would have had to talked about your desire to commit a specific violent behavior like stabbing someone, gotten the necessary items or information to carry out the act or acts, and then stated your intention of carrying out your plan.

Once you get blue papered there are medical exams and legal procedure to follow. Keep in mind that people like King Terry are on the street. There simply aren't institutions around to house these people like there used to be. I think there are literally two in my state and one of them is a single floor in a VA hospital. Reagan effectively did away with them. Chris' past acts don't meet the criteria in my decided non-legal/medical opinion. He might get crazier and start harming people, but even becoming homeless wouldn't do it where I live. There are plenty of crazy homeless people on the street.

 

[LoveYouLongTime]

Charlottesville has a lot of aggressive homeless people. More aggressive than you would find elsewhere because Charlottesville has low cost to free mental health care that surrounding cities don't have so they all migrate here. Chris isn't going to get dragged off somewhere against his will when we have guys screaming at random people "blue eyed redneck demon!"

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Charlottesville has a lot of aggressive homeless people. More aggressive than you would find elsewhere because Charlottesville has low cost to free mental health care that surrounding cities don't have so they all migrate here. Chris isn't going to get dragged off somewhere against his will when we have guys screaming at random people "blue eyed redneck demon!"

Yes, it seems like they don't even cart off mental, homeless people to confinement unless they strike a police officer or kill a kid.

 

[Drawets Rednaxela]

I think the crazy is going to get turned up to eleven when she dies. I expect there will be public tantrums, and that he'll eventually fall apart so badly that he gets arrested and held over for psych. A man with a five year old's brain is not going to flourish when he's left completely alone.

I like this post 'cause it implies that Chris is unintelligent.

 

[The Captain]

Or he'll move on with his life and start living for himself.

He'll be sad, sure - but at the end of the day life will go on for him.

At the very least he won't have all of Barb's debt hanging over his head - and he'd probably qualify for Section 8.

I don't see 14 BC staying in the Chandler family for another 10+ years.

The question should be.. when it's featured on Hoarders will it end up condemned and demolished or torn apart (again) from the inside out to be rebuilt in order to be habitable.