Containment What will happen when Barb dies?

[Mason Verger]

Eh... I'd agree with you if he didn't make an attempt to go visit Chris. If he was actually in a room alone with Chris, I think there's a decent chance he'd try to fuck him.

%100 agree, but not out of legitimate sexual attraction, out of internet star-fuckery. And he’d immediatly scuttle to the farms to brag about it.

 

[Stephanie Bustcakes]

I don't know if I'd trust him to come clean and seek help, except online and possibly late (consider the example of the Taint.)

He wasn't even seeking help then. He only let the world know about the taint wound because he thought he was the world's first person to grow a vagina and wanted to brag to everybody. He even needed to be pressured repeatedly to go to the doctor for it. If he were to try a serious attempt to commit suicide we would never hear about it unless he thought he could get pity from it afterward.

 

[Spooky Bones]

He wasn't even seeking help then. He only let the world know about the taint wound because he thought he was the world's first person to grow a vagina and wanted to brag to everybody. He even needed to be pressured repeatedly to go to the doctor for it. If he were to try a serious attempt to commit suicide we would never hear about it unless he thought he could get pity from it afterward.

True. Rate me optimistic but I don't think Chris to be really capable of a serious suicide attempt, though. Crisis in his life may prove me wrong but he just doesn't seem like the type. Of course, if his autistic pride and elevated self-image were seriously damaged, through something like "narcissistic injury", maybe. But self-harm or a suicidal gesture like swallowing a handful of pills? He would absolutely post about it for pity points...I hope for his sake he would not give a repeat of the Taint incident and wait too long. Taking fifty Tylenol and going without treatment within 12-24 is a very ugly death, for instance. Most other pills not so likely to kill. I don't see him slicing his wrists all that deep as far as that goes, he's too averse to pain, but I can see him making some scratches as a gesture. I can't imagine him hanging or shooting himself or jumping in traffic or something like that.

 

[Vault Boy]

True. Rate me optimistic but I don't think Chris to be really capable of a serious suicide attempt, though. Crisis in his life may prove me wrong but he just doesn't seem like the type. Of course, if his autistic pride and elevated self-image were seriously damaged, through something like "narcissistic injury", maybe. But self-harm or a suicidal gesture like swallowing a handful of pills? He would absolutely post about it for pity points...I hope for his sake he would not give a repeat of the Taint incident and wait too long. Taking fifty Tylenol and going without treatment within 12-24 is a very ugly death, for instance. Most other pills not so likely to kill. I don't see him slicing his wrists all that deep as far as that goes, he's too averse to pain, but I can see him making some scratches as a gesture. I can't imagine him hanging or shooting himself or jumping in traffic or something like that.

If Chris were to die from suicide, I think it would unintentionally caused by him doing something stupid.

For instance, if he were to buy a gun, he'd probably wave it around on camera to intimidate the "jerks" and accidently pull the trigger. There could also be a similar event to the taint piercing, only he would not heed anyone's advice and die from a septic infection.

Really, Chris loves himself too much to slit his wrists, but don't underestimate his lack of foresight.

 

[Mason Verger]

I can't imagine him hanging or shooting himself or jumping in traffic or something like that.

That’s actually exactly what I picture. Not some dramatic teen girl bullshit, but that snap-factor that he’s absolutely prone to. A month after Barb is buried, condolences and sympathy slowly dwidddling down, nothing left but the weight of the real world. He goes to treat himself to some nice papa johns.. card declined. No, sorry, they can’t just let him have it even if it’s already cooked. He lumbers outside, maybe there’s change in the van for garlic knots at least. But there’s also the highway.. speeding cars filled with jerks probably going home to have dinner with their families..
He just has to step out..

 

[Spooky Bones]

That’s actually exactly what I picture. Not some dramatic teen girl bullshit, but that snap-factor that he’s absolutely prone to. A month after Barb is buried, condolences and sympathy slowly dwidddling down, nothing left but the weight of the real world. He goes to treat himself to some nice papa johns.. card declined. No, sorry, they can’t just let him have it even if it’s already cooked. He lumbers outside, maybe there’s change in the van for garlic knots at least. But there’s also the highway.. speeding cars filled with jerks probably going home to have dinner with their families..
He just has to step out..

Still not buying a suicide. I think he's too much of a coward and too self-involved with his internal fantasy world, which provides a pretty big buffer to reality: these are actually protective factors although narcissistic injury is a possibility and in genuine narcissists can lead to suicide (Chris is not, despite having narcissistic--and solipsistic--characteristics at times, a clinical narcissist; narcissists have an "inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others", Chris certainly has USI, he has or had autistic delusions of the admiration he got but what he does is more for self-fulfillment than for attention and admiration although those are secondary benefits, real or imagined. Chris has no empathy because of autism, not potential NPD.) He's has shown borderline-ish behavior with friends and sweethearts before, but that could be mostly chalked up to autism as well. He does have a disordered personality, but more "type A" (schizoid/schizotypal) who tend towards delusion and withdrawal with some type "B" (where narcissism and emotional lability come in) traits making him probably diagnosable as PDNOS (not PDDNOS, pervasive development disorder, but rather personality disorder, not otherwise specified in the DSM.) Such people like almost all psych/behavioral disorders (including autism) are at elevated risk for suicide, although the suicide risk in autism is disporportinately female.

The infelicity of homeless living will be a wrench in the gears, and will be totally fucked up, but I could actually see it being a good thing in the end, after a period of chaos, as I mentioned elsewhere. I don't see him taking the coward's way out, because he's too much of a coward to do even that. I could see him getting it together a little bit enough to maybe monetize some Internets, if he were to wind up in a supportive environment (challenging him to a degree but not too much, getting meds and a little bit of human contact.)

However, in depression, the riskiest time for suicide is when the patient is actually getting a little better (on meds, typically) and has the energy to off themselves but is still depressed.

 

[Mason Verger]

Still not buying a suicide. I think he's too much of a coward and too self-involved with his internal fantasy world, which provides a pretty big buffer to reality: these are actually protective factors although narcissistic injury is a possibility and in genuine narcissists can lead to suicide (Chris is not, despite having narcissistic--and solipsistic--characteristics at times, a clinical narcissist; narcissists have an "inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others", Chris certainly has USI, he has or had autistic delusions of the admiration he got but what he does is more for self-fulfillment than for attention and admiration although those are secondary benefits, real or imagined. Chris has no empathy because of autism, not potential NPD.) He's has shown borderline-ish behavior with friends and sweethearts before, but that could be mostly chalked up to autism as well. He does have a disordered personality, but more "type A" (schizoid/schizotypal) who tend towards delusion and withdrawal with some type "B" (where narcissism and emotional lability come in) traits making him probably diagnosable as PDNOS (not PDDNOS, pervasive development disorder, but rather personality disorder, not otherwise specified in the DSM.) Such people like almost all psych/behavioral disorders (including autism) are at elevated risk for suicide, although the suicide risk in autism is disporportinately female.

The infelicity of homeless living will be a wrench in the gears, and will be totally fucked up, but I could actually see it being a good thing in the end, after a period of chaos, as I mentioned elsewhere. I don't see him taking the coward's way out, because he's too much of a coward to do even that. I could see him getting it together a little bit enough to maybe monetize some Internets, if he were to wind up in a supportive environment (challenging him to a degree but not too much, getting meds and a little bit of human contact.)

However, in depression, the riskiest time for suicide is when the patient is actually getting a little better (on meds, typically) and has the energy to off themselves but is still depressed.

Interesting, but that’s a lot of clinical precedence to put on somebody I consider a bit of an outlier. Everything that’s giving him any happiness and security in the world is contained within the 4 walls of 14 BLC right now, and that’s a sandcastle built on the tide line. But you mention him making even the tiniest strides to getting better despite the fact he has done nothing but decline since he was discovered. While he does have a massive ego, he does get very, very depressed. And not just in his shrieky pantomiming of what he thinks sad people look like. All I know is, when the witch is dead, this whole chris forum is going to go into suicide watch mode. And it’s going to be really obvious why. And everybody is going to say “I knew it! I knew it! I’ve been calling this for years!”.

 

[Spooky Bones]

Interesting, but that’s a lot of clinical precedence to put on somebody I consider a bit of an outlier. Everything that’s giving him any happiness and security in the world is contained within the 4 walls of 14 BLC right now, and that’s a sandcastle built on the tide line. But you mention him making even the tiniest strides to getting better despite the fact he has done nothing but decline since he was discovered. While he does have a massive ego, he does get very, very depressed. And not just in his shrieky pantomiming of what he thinks sad people look like. All I know is, when the witch is dead, this whole chris forum is going to go into suicide watch mode. And it’s going to be really obvious why. And everybody is going to say “I knew it! I knew it! I’ve been calling this for years!”.

Oh, there's definitely an affective component. I think he has a mood disorder and at the very least also becomes hypomanic at times and is often depressed. He's definitely an outlier. I think every psychiatric diagnosis on him would end in "Not Otherwise Specified." Now NOS actually went out together with Asperger's in the DSM-V (which is shit; they also got rid of functional-impairment diagnosis criteria which was an enormous mistake), but that doesn't really mean anything. Psychiatric illnesses are not little boxes to put people in but rather they are descriptors of certain ways of behaving, being, and relating. It's a taxonomy and a descriptive language, quite unlike diagnosis in conventional medicine which is definitive. That's why I'm saying "traits" and "NOS" quite a lot in describing a very unique "patient." You're right that he isn't "getting better," but becoming homeless might actually function as catharsis. Part of the issue has been, for a lifetime, distance from the consequences of his actions, but many that have been put off will be coming home to roost. This is optimistic. It's entirely possible he will spiral downwards into institutionalization and an early death. I won't be suicide-watching, though.

 

[Mason Verger]

Oh, there's definitely an affective component. I think he has a mood disorder and at the very least also becomes hypomanic at times and is often depressed. He's definitely an outlier. I think every psychiatric diagnosis on him would end in "Not Otherwise Specified." Now NOS actually went out together with Asperger's in the DSM-V (which is shit; they also got rid of functional-impairment diagnosis criteria which was an enormous mistake), but that doesn't really mean anything. Psychiatric illnesses are not little boxes to put people in but rather they are descriptors of certain ways of behaving, being, and relating. It's a taxonomy and a descriptive language, quite unlike diagnosis in conventional medicine which is definitive. That's why I'm saying "traits" and "NOS" quite a lot in describing a very unique "patient." You're right that he isn't "getting better," but becoming homeless might actually function as catharsis. Part of the issue has been, for a lifetime, distance from the consequences of his actions, but many that have been put off will be coming home to roost. This is optimistic. It's entirely possible he will spiral downwards into institutionalization and an early death. I won't be suicide-watching, though.

Third theory: shits pants, does nothing.

Sorry, we were having far to polite and nuanced discussion for the Chris forums haha.

It does strike me as funny, that none of the therapists in whatever podunk clinics he’s been forced to go to ever found Chris as clinically interesting as literally thousands of other complete strangers that have been inexplicably following him for over a decade. Are they that jaded, or is Chris really that annoying that none of them ever wanted to crack that coconut and get their names out there. Patient fucking zero for the dawn of the millennial man-child and they can’t seem to wait to clear his docket.

 

[Marceline]

Really, Chris loves himself too much to slit his wrists, but don't underestimate his lack of foresight.

THIS.

Barb really seems unwell and on the last days recently, but what if she's one of those cases where the person is off their rocker and somehow lives to 99? I wonder if Chris would exploit his mother when/if she turns 99 he definitely would

 

[MC Ride]

This man sliced his fucking taint open on a whim. He's crazy enough to do anything if he really puts his mind to it.

 

[Spooky Bones]

It does strike me as funny, that none of the therapists in whatever podunk clinics he’s been forced to go to ever found Chris as clinically interesting as literally thousands of other complete strangers that have been inexplicably following him for over a decade. Are they that jaded, or is Chris really that annoying that none of them ever wanted to crack that coconut and get their names out there. Patient fucking zero for the dawn of the millennial man-child and they can’t seem to wait to clear his docket.

This is a curious one. I think you're on it when you say Chris is really that annoying. Unfortunately annoying patients, especially the most viscerally annoying patients, often get worse clinical care period, but perhaps it's worst in mental health. There is an unfortunate tendency to just do a cursory appointment, prescribe meds (if we're talking about doctors) and then get on with your day. He hasn't seen a clinician for some time, though, since everything went goddess and merge. Today though I'm not sure he'd be able to refrain from talking about it. I think that would get a bigger reaction from a clinician than the general autistic shit about Sonichu. Now, if a clinician were to read up about him online, I have no idea what they would do. I have no idea what I would do in that situation, other than trying to wean the patient off the goddamn internet and getting some meds in him, stat.

 

[Mason Verger]

This is a curious one. I think you're on it when you say Chris is really that annoying. Unfortunately annoying patients, especially the most viscerally annoying patients, often get worse clinical care period, but perhaps it's worst in mental health. There is an unfortunate tendency to just do a cursory appointment, prescribe meds (if we're talking about doctors) and then get on with your day. He hasn't seen a clinician for some time, though, since everything went goddess and merge. I'm not sure he'd be able to refrain from talking about it. I think that would get a bigger reaction from a clinician than the general autistic shit about Sonichu. Now, if a clinician were to read up about him online, I have no idea what they would do. I have no idea what I would do in that situation, other than trying to I HAVE AUTISM PLEASE LAUGH AT ME the patient off the goddamn internet and getting some meds in him, stat.

He was seeing one last year, court ordered, just as the merge stuff was really heating up. He even claimed he told them about it and they, I don’t know, cleared it? Liked it? Obviously bullshit, but he was actually photographed in the waiting room in full goddess regalia, so he certainly wasn’t hiding much. I’m sure a sound strategy to working in the mental health field is “don’t take your work home”, but I can’t imagine resisting a quick google. And oh the sights they’d see..

 

[Spooky Bones]

He was seeing one last year, court ordered, just as the merge stuff was really heating up. He even claimed he told them about it and they, I don’t know, cleared it? Liked it? Obviously bullshit, but he was actually photographed in the waiting room in full goddess regalia, so he certainly wasn’t hiding much. I’m sure a sound strategy to working in the mental health field is “don’t take your work home”, but I can’t imagine resisting a quick google. And oh the sights they’d see..

Sorry about that, brain fart on my part. Was thinking that the court ordered shit was older than that. He's certainly worse now than he was then though. Yeah, still. I think that since he's at once court-ordered, annoying, and neither a total schizophrenic nor a drug addict, there's a tendency to just ignore him and shift him along thinking of him just as an eccentric. IME generally psych people don't googling patients without good reason (use of social media for research into your patients is actually a kind of still open ethical question in psychiatry) like determining dangerousness or whatever, and Chris definitely projects harmlessness, haplessness, and eccentricity. I think that in an overworked clinic there'd be a tendency to underdiagnose and undertreat someone with that presentation, which is too bad, but I can see it happening.

 

[AnOminous]

That was informal. When it comes to actually losing legal autonomy, it's a much more difficult process.

Unless Chris develops something more serious, like schizophrenia, it's very unlikely Chris is going to lose his status as a legal, "functional" adult.

He might end up desperate enough to admit he's a total tard and needs help if he ends up homeless. He is a soft piece of shit and homelessness is probably more than he could cope with.

Eh... I'd agree with you if he didn't make an attempt to go visit Chris. If he was actually in a room alone with Chris, I think there's a decent chance he'd try to fuck him.

Cockless is goddamn crazy. If he ever ends up in the same room as Chris and some roofies Chris is getting his anus savagely raped over and over.

 

[Spooky Bones]

That was informal. When it comes to actually losing legal autonomy, it's a much more difficult process.

Unless Chris develops something more serious, like schizophrenia, it's very unlikely Chris is going to lose his status as a legal, "functional" adult.

It can absolutely happen with an arrest. Virginia's policies on NGRI misdemeanors. One can be kept up to a year (that would likely be unusual but as I've said reading these documents is only of limited help as actions on the ground do not line up perfectly with policy, but rather organically work within, and sometimes without, it.)

He does not need to be a schizophrenic to get mental health care. He just needs to be arrested in a situation with enough pressure to make him act really funny to the police and to psychiatric examiners working for the courts.

He also has little chance of "developing" schizophrenia at his age. There's a lot of labels that can be applied to him, that's not one, although I wouldn't be shocked if someone did diagnose him with it on examining him in a correctional setting after an arrest.

 

[AnOminous]

It can absolutely happen with an arrest. Virginia's policies on NGRI misdemeanors. One can be kept up to a year (that would likely be unusual but as I've said reading these documents is only of limited help as actions on the ground do not line up perfectly with policy, but rather organically work within, and sometimes without, it.)

He should be locked up just to protect his anal virginity from the Satanist psycho who is going to penetrate him viciously, over and over, if he ever gets in the same room.

 

[Cardboard Box Mountain]

True. Rate me optimistic but I don't think Chris to be really capable of a serious suicide attempt, though. Crisis in his life may prove me wrong but he just doesn't seem like the type. Of course, if his autistic pride and elevated self-image were seriously damaged, through something like "narcissistic injury", maybe. But self-harm or a suicidal gesture like swallowing a handful of pills? He would absolutely post about it for pity points...I hope for his sake he would not give a repeat of the Taint incident and wait too long. Taking fifty Tylenol and going without treatment within 12-24 is a very ugly death, for instance. Most other pills not so likely to kill. I don't see him slicing his wrists all that deep as far as that goes, he's too averse to pain, but I can see him making some scratches as a gesture. I can't imagine him hanging or shooting himself or jumping in traffic or something like that.

I suppose all the other medications he already takes would make liver failure even more likely.

 

[AnOminous]

What happens when Barb dies depends on whether I feel like fucking her again.

 

[Mason Verger]

I suppose all the other medications he already takes would make liver failure even more likely.

Come to think, I wonder if Chris is still slugging straight Smirnoff like he was during the idea guy saga. Because that reacts really well with Valium. The side effects are pretty much one to one on what Chris describes as his daily life. Seriously, the only ones I can knock off the list are coma and death:

What are the Effects of Mixing Valium and Alcohol?

Because both alcohol and Valium work on GABA receptors in the brain, they induce similar effects, especially at high doses.

www.alcohol.org