Containment What will happen when Barb dies?

[Marvin]

Something of which I've wondered is if there is any extended family that would tend to Barb's funeral, estate, etc or would it go without any attention and effectively be taken over by the state.
If an extended family member stepped in for the funeral, would they then be caught up in Chris and feel compelled to take him in for find him state help.
I guess I'm kind of wishing for that, since while it may be amusing in it's own right, like many others I don't foresee Barb's death spelling well for Chris and him being able to take on some or any of the complications.

Maybe they could get Chris on food stamps or something.

 

[bigshot]

Chris needs McDonalds stamps or Lego stamps.

 

[Pony Horn]

I've slowly come around to the opinion that once Chris files for bankruptcy he'll do ok for at least a couple of years.

What he should do is get an off the books job walking someone's dog for $10-$20/day. The extra $200-$400 per month would give him some breathing room. Even he should be able to handle working one hour a day, 5 days a week.

With the Amiibos, I think that business dried up more because Chris wasn't selling the Amiibos people wanted. Most people want Sonichu, Chris or maybe Rosechu. (Would adding a pickle cost extra?)

But instead, Chris made like 20 amiibos of the same character, and it was some worthless character that no one wanted. Chris made what he thought was cool, not what the customer thought was cool.

I think he could probably sell at least a few medallions every month if he brought them back now. Especially considering the documentaries recently.

I don't even think the sales of those waned, now that I think about it. I think they were selling very well right up until Chris got overwhelmed with all the orders, pooped himself and gave up.

Yeah, I agree with Chris being able to sell a couple medallions a month. I think that's all he needs to sell in order to keep his head above the water.

I don't know much about the amiibos but it sounds like a waste of time. How much money could he be making after he buys 1 or 2 amiibos from a store and then pays for the shipping to a buyer? He's much better off sticking to the medallions where he nets more.

One smart thing he's done is not sell a lot of his original art. He can always fall back on that for awhile if his Patreon dies.

Edit: damn, dirty pocket posting

 

[Marvin]

I don't know much about the amiibos but it sounds like a waste of time. How much money could he be making after he buys 1 or 2 amiibos from a store and then pays for the shipping to a buyer? He's much better off sticking to the medallions where he nets more.

Yeah, the amiibos had a retardedly low profit margin.

 

[Done]

I think before even considering how to increase his income or manage the mortgage payments, Chris needs to learn how to spend and manage his money, he is clearly very addicted to shopping, there's no other explanation for him immediately buying the exact same stuff he just sold multiple copies of.

I can definitely see Chris spending all the Patreon money every month and saving nothing for the future.

 

[Used Coat Hanger]

chris has his midlife-crisis that looks oddly like a teenage girl's emo ddlg phase (oh yeah, that exists).

 

[idosometimes]

Yeah, the amiibos had a retardedly low profit margin.

Very few of his business endeavors actually make any money. Chris is not bright. He does not consider losses or gains. He lives in the now. He gave away hundreds of dollars worth of crap for his eBay contest scheme, but the actual sales that mattered were meager. He made his money on the shirt or some other piece of garbage. This is why he can't run a household on his own. Chris can pay bills if he gets them, but only if there is money. He does not understand money enough to manage it. Sonichu Entertainment of America has been hemorrhaging money since its creation. Chris only cares about having money when he needs it. How that happens is irrelevant. Chris is a child. A selfish child who is not very smart, but has people dumber than him throwing money at him.

Chris isn't a hoarder. I remember his room before the fire, it wasn't hoarder bad. It was child-with-a-messy-room bad. At worst, Chris is a child with a credit card. I've seen rich people's kids who are spoiled as badly as Chris and their rooms look pretty similar. Just with less blowup dolls and fanta.

Chris keeps garbage that is worth nothing to him. The reason that some stalker found all the old crap they threw out after the house burned down is because the Chandlers all thought holding on to worthless crap was important. He is not as bad as Ma Chandler, but he has decades to catch up. Chris is loath to get rid of anything that he likes. When he sells something, it is something that is not his or that does not mean anything to him.

Mebs this is because Chris wants to remember his good years, but he does not really seem to remember them. He remembers an idea of his youth and better days.

 

[Marvin]

Very few of his business endeavors actually make any money. Chris is not bright. He does not consider losses or gains. He lives in the now. He gave away hundreds of dollars worth of crap for his eBay contest scheme, but the actual sales that mattered were meager. He made his money on the shirt or some other piece of garbage.

No, this is incorrect. Almost all of Chris' business endeavors make profit. There are exceptions, and they're prominent and hilarious, but they are not the majority.

When Chris begins a business venture, he does the simple arithmetic where he calculates how much it will cost, how much he has to list it to to make money, and he goes and does it. Most of the time, he makes a small profit.

Chris can pay bills if he gets them, but only if there is money. He does not understand money enough to manage it.

This isn't true. At the beginning of the month, Chris receives his tugboat. He knows he has to pay certain bills every month, like internet, phone and insurance. It's not just a matter of a chance occurence that the money is in his account when the bill arrives. Chris actively plans for the end of the month, in the beginning of the month.

So if he's got a reoccurring bill for $X that comes on the 25th, Chris has that bill in mind when the tugboat arrives on the 3rd. Every month, Chris remembers that he needs to have a balance of at least $X by the 25th.

Chris has been doing this since Bob died.

Chris keeps garbage that is worth nothing to him. The reason that some stalker found all the old crap they threw out after the house burned down is because the Chandlers all thought holding on to worthless crap was important.

It's fairly normal to save things like school papers and report cards from childhood.

Since it barely takes up more than a box or two, people's parents will stick them (along with yearbooks and similar trinkets) in the basement and forget about it. It's not unusual.

Chris is loath to get rid of anything that he likes. When he sells something, it is something that is not his or that does not mean anything to him.

No one likes to get rid of things they like. Chris' standards for what he likes are like a spoiled child who has never had to get rid of anything.

Furthermore, in response to greater financial pressure, Chris is willing to get rid of more and more things. Nothing is particularly exceptional about Chris' attitude towards his possessions.

 

[Done]

Furthermore, in response to greater financial pressure, Chris is willing to get rid of more and more things. Nothing is particularly exceptional about Chris' attitude towards his possessions.

I think only one aspect stands out to me as exceptional: His valuation of his various "assets", or to be more precise, it *should* stand out as exceptional, but people are actually paying the prices he quotes in most cases.

 

[Marvin]

I think only one aspect stands out to me as exceptional: His valuation of his various "assets", or to be more precise, it *should* stand out as exceptional, but people are actually paying the prices he quotes in most cases.

His audience is certainly fucking with his ability to accurately price his offerings.

But he's been on ebay for awhile and he goes to pawn shops and things like that. (That is, he was selling crap on ebay before his infamy started to crank up the prices on the crap he was selling.)

And even with his infamy, lots of his listings don't sell, or they sell for valid market prices and we don't hear a peep from him when it happens. At best, he just relists the item a few times, makes another video advertising it, and eventually gives up.

I really think that many times when he lists random crap, it's a hail mary. He's happy when it sells, but I think he's very aware by this point that it's a gamble.

(Of course, this is all in a context where, even if not everything sells for his insane prices, at least some of it does, it's just not predictable. So it'll be interesting when he can't sell anything at all for the crazy prices anymore.)

 

[asperhes]

Nothing is particularly exceptional about Chris' attitude towards his possessions.

I don't know how you could say this after looking at all the photos of his old room. I guess if you want to judge him by the standards you'd assign to a 10-year-old, then I guess you could say that he has a normal attachment to plastic shit. Otherwise no.

 

[Done]

I don't know how you could say this after looking at all the photos of his old room. I guess if you want to judge him by the standards you'd assign to a 10-year-old, then I guess you could say that he has a normal attachment to plastic shit. Otherwise no.

Yeah, but it's clear that:
1) His room is somewhat ordered (apart from the floor clutter), he clearly likes to label his items and arrange them on shelves and whatnot.

2) As recent events have attested, he is perfectly willing to sell stuff, sure, he may have bought some of it again because :autism:, but keep in mind that he sold over 500 Pokemon cards and bought only 2-3 new packs, and so on. Barb however cannot part with a single item, to the point where she threatened her disabled son and elderly husband with suicide over it.

 

[idosometimes]

No, this is incorrect. Almost all of Chris' business endeavors make profit. There are exceptions, and they're prominent and hilarious, but they are not the majority.

When Chris begins a business venture, he does the simple arithmetic where he calculates how much it will cost, how much he has to list it to to make money, and he goes and does it. Most of the time, he makes a small profit.

This isn't true. At the beginning of the month, Chris receives his tugboat. He knows he has to pay certain bills every month, like internet, phone and insurance. It's not just a matter of a chance occurence that the money is in his account when the bill arrives. Chris actively plans for the end of the month, in the beginning of the month.

So if he's got a reoccurring bill for $X that comes on the 25th, Chris has that bill in mind when the tugboat arrives on the 3rd. Every month, Chris remembers that he needs to have a balance of at least $X by the 25th.

No, they don't. Run the numbers. Chris does not consider costs. He knows how much money he needs to make for whatever purpose, but that is it. This is not even considering the "extra" stuff he never ends up using. With his Amiibos he had unsold stock (unwanted by anyone, as you note above) and not-yet-mangled amiibos because (sigh) he cannot create right now.

He was offering those t-shirts with his "character" on them at cost plus shipping, which means he would lose money after fees and shipping costs that he paid to get them (if he actually could afford to buy the shirts when he would try to fulfill orders later on). Some of his scams are not even attempts to turn a profit; sometimes he is looking to score some quick cash to hold him over. His two successful scams were the pay for videos (no cost to him) and the patreon. The patreon is less profitable than it should be because he offers too much for his "fans." The store probably made money too, but only because Chris took orders and never fulfilled them.

The low-cost high-profit options are ignored because they are too stressful. He won't make medals because the process is too much work. He won't draw commissions because he would rather play his games. He is late with video commissions that he puts no effort into.

Some basic figuring would put Chris on easy street. He lives like his mom though. He is not planning for the future. It is all about right now. That is what made his $250,000 rainy day fund such a joke. Chris needs a lifelong sponsor to have any shot at the life to which he has become accustomed.

 

[Trilby]

No, they don't. Run the numbers. Chris does not consider costs. He knows how much money he needs to make for whatever purpose, but that is it. This is not even considering the "extra" stuff he never ends up using. With his Amiibos he had unsold stock (unwanted by anyone, as you note above) and not-yet-mangled amiibos because (sigh) he cannot create right now.

He was offering those t-shirts with his "character" on them at cost plus shipping, which means he would lose money after fees and shipping costs that he paid to get them (if he actually could afford to buy the shirts when he would try to fulfill orders later on). Some of his scams are not even attempts to turn a profit; sometimes he is looking to score some quick cash to hold him over. His two successful scams were the pay for videos (no cost to him) and the patreon. The patreon is less profitable than it should be because he offers too much for his "fans." The store probably made money too, but only because Chris took orders and never fulfilled them.

The low-cost high-profit options are ignored because they are too stressful. He won't make medals because the process is too much work. He won't draw commissions because he would rather play his games. He is late with video commissions that he puts no effort into.

Some basic figuring would put Chris on easy street. He lives like his mom though. He is not planning for the future. It is all about right now. That is what made his $250,000 rainy day fund such a joke. Chris needs a lifelong sponsor to have any shot at the life to which he has become accustomed.

Kinda makes you think Chris was better off taking Marketing at PVCC!

 

[Marvin]

I don't know how you could say this after looking at all the photos of his old room. I guess if you want to judge him by the standards you'd assign to a 10-year-old, then I guess you could say that he has a normal attachment to plastic shit. Otherwise no.

It's not about attachment. It's about motivations and financial freedom. Chris doesn't have a particularly strong attachment to his plastic crap that adults don't have to their possessions. Chris just has substantially more disposable income than most working adults do.

If other working adults

With his Amiibos he had unsold stock (unwanted by anyone, as you note above) and not-yet-mangled amiibos because (sigh) he cannot create right now.

With that batch of Amiibos, if they were sold, would make at least a small profit. That's what I said: Chris did the math for each amiibo, considering the raw materials, and priced them so they'd make him money overall.

He was offering those t-shirts with his "character" on them at cost plus shipping, which means he would lose money after fees and shipping costs that he paid to get them (if he actually could afford to buy the shirts when he would try to fulfill orders later on).

The tshirt debacle was one of the occasional, hilarious flubs he made that weren't profitable. But those aren't the majority. There were the medallions, the amiibos, the commissioned drawings and his patreon (where he gives out printed copies of his comics; each patron above a certain amount gets a comic, and the amount is above the cost of printing the comic).

Some of his scams are not even attempts to turn a profit; sometimes he is looking to score some quick cash to hold him over.

What do you mean? If he's going for quick cash but he's not making a profit, then he's not really getting quick cash, is he? How would that work?

Chris needs a lifelong sponsor to have any shot at the life to which he has become accustomed.

Oh, Chris isn't going to sustain this life. Not by a long shot.

 

[January Cyst]

What do you mean? If he's going for quick cash but he's not making a profit, then he's not really getting quick cash, is he? How would that work?

Because he is getting the money right now and might not have to fulfil the order until later (like he did with the medallions).
If he offers something for 20$ and receives say 15$ after eBay and pp take their cut, but the stuff including shipping costs him 18$ he still has 15$ NOWNOWNOW.
Kinda like when Unkle Adams goes to the hardware store and buys power tools on credit just to turn around to sell them for less through craigslist.
Quick cash redneck style.

 

[Marvin]

Because he is getting the money right now and might not have to fulfil the order until later (like he did with the medallions).
If he offers something for 20$ and receives say 15$ after eBay and pp take their cut, but the stuff including shipping costs him 18$ he still has 15$ NOWNOWNOW.

Oh yeah. Heh, he's done that before, but I don't think he really noticed because profit from other sales compensated for the loss there.

 

[idosometimes]

What do you mean? If he's going for quick cash but he's not making a profit, then he's not really getting quick cash, is he? How would that work?

He took in money with promise of sending goods or services later on. If he was doing any accounting, he would have liabilities, but he does not bother with such nonsense. Instead, he hopes that people forget about him having an outstanding obligation to them. It works out as a loan. He gets the money he needed, but he now obligated time and money to someone. This scam system killed off his various stores in the past. His enthusiasm for fulfilling orders and promises is very low. He goes in with grand goals, but reality quickly kills them. One his money needs are met, he will do it eventually... maybe. The shirts were another example. He wanted to bring in hundreds on his exact likeness in skylanders now with the promise of shirts, cards, and figures in the next few months.

There is no accounting of any type going on. He does not keep the already "spent" money separate: he spends the money earmarked for buying shirts (or gives it to mommy), for example, and then hopes that future money will be there to buy shirts weeks or months later. He considers $100 this month on something that cost hundreds over the fast few months a profit. Tracking the money is too stressful. You know, because running quickbooks or excel is so strenuous.

Profits come from no costs (videos) or no value items sold for crazy money. His business plan is not there. He has no idea what the future means.

 

[Done]

This scam system killed off his various stores in the past.

"Scam system", we're talking about Chris here, the only systems he ever heard of have "Sony" or "Nintendo" written on them.

I think Chris does it more out of laziness and incompetence rather than anything else. He gets the money, immediately spends it, then he goes "hmm, now I have to make a medallion? and deliver it TOO?", he is getting a bit better at delivering, but he's still very bad at serving his customers, even now you can find people complaining on his Patreon or eBay about various snafus.

In addition, he is a very disorganized person, as evidenced by his very messed up sleeping patterns, so he needs someone to tell him how to organize his work flow and store so he doesn't drop or delay things too much, not to mention said person supervising him constantly to maintain Chris's discipline.

 

[Marvin]

One his money needs are met, he will do it eventually... maybe. The shirts were another example. He wanted to bring in hundreds on his exact likeness in skylanders now with the promise of shirts, cards, and figures in the next few months.

Are you using the shirts as an example of a situation where he didn't go forward and spend the money to fulfill his obligations?

He bought the shirts. He spent $700+ on them.