🐱 Virginia eliminates confederate holiday

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The Virginia House of Delegates voted on Thursday to approve a bill that would eliminate Lee-Jackson Day and replace it with an Election Day holiday. It is now almost guaranteed to be signed into law.
The bill, which came soon after Democrats took majority control of the House, marks a major blow against supporters of Confederate memorialization, who were already losing ground in the debate over monuments in public spaces. In recent years, cities such as Charlottesville and Richmond have elected to ignore the state celebration. And Gov. Ralph Northam, in part to atone for the blackface scandal that nearly forced him out of office last year, has vocally committed to fighting against symbols of racism with the rest of his term. Already he and the legislature have set their sights on a number of bills that would shift funding away from honoring Confederate figures and toward recognizing black activists and heroes in the state’s history.


Lee-Jackson Day, honoring the Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, has been celebrated in Virginia for more than 100 years. Previously, it had been celebrated on the same day as Martin Luther King Day (Alabama and Mississippi still celebrate Robert E. Lee day on the federally mandated MLK holiday). But in 2000, the state voted to move it to the Friday before MLK Day, in what was seen by some as a very small step toward progress.

According to local media, the bill is virtually identical to one passed by the state’s Senate last month. The two chambers will now have to agree upon a final version before Northam can sign it into law.

Election day is already an official holiday in several states, including Delaware, Hawaii, Kentucky, and New York. Proponents of the idea have argued that giving state employees the day off would boost voter turnout. Critics have noted that many of those who already struggle the most to vote, such as low-wage shift workers, will not benefit. Because voter turnout is a number affected by multiple and often unmeasurable factors, it’s hard to know if any of the state election holidays have had any real effect and whether Virginia’s proposed Election Day will increase turnout significantly.
The national reckoning over symbols of the Confederacy began in 2015, when a white supremacist killed nine black worshipers in a church in South Carolina. In response, South Carolina removed the Confederate Flag flying at its statehouse. But as opponents of Confederate symbols grew in numbers, their supporters became more vocal and found allies with other far-right groups. In 2017, the arguments came to a head in a violent clash between far-right hate groups—including neo-Confederates—and counterprotesters in Charlottesville. The Unite the Right rally ended tragically when an avowed neo-Nazi drove his car into a crowd, killing the counterprotester Heather Heyer.

Since that weekend, the city has been fighting to remove the statue of Robert E. Lee that sparked the protests in the first place. After the rally, the city draped the statue with a black shroud, and the city council voted to remove the statue. Opponents sued to stop the city, claiming it violated state code, and a judge has since issued an injunction against the shrouding and the statue’s removal, ruling that the statues did not send a racially discriminatory message. The city has said it will appeal the decision.


While Virginia and North Carolina (the home of Silent Sam) have experienced active debates over these symbols, other states have made less progress on shifting the conversation. A number of Southern states celebrate official and unofficial Confederate Memorial Days and Robert E. Lee Days (or, in the case of Alabama and Mississippi, Robert E. Lee/MLK Day). Alabama has a bonus holiday just for Jefferson Davis’ birthday. Tennessee recently declared a Nathan Bedford Forrest Day, honoring a slave trader and early KKK figure.

Virginia towns have celebrated Lee-Jackson day with wreath-laying ceremonies, a Civil War parade, a ball, and the placing of Confederate flags in cemeteries, according to NBC12. The Virginia General Assembly has historically also held floor speeches to mark it.


Now that the state’s legislative and executive branches are now controlled by Democrats, it seems possible that the Confederate statues in the state Capitol and the statue of Lee representing Virginia in the National Statuary Hall may be the next targets. Some Democrats have also voiced support for the removal of a statue of Democrat Sen. Harry Byrd, a giant of Virginia politics who engineered the state’s opposition to desegregation.

Virginia has more confederate monuments than any other state. Defenders of Confederate monuments have argued that the statues are meant to honor the state’s history. In Virginia, the birthplace of both Lee and Jackson, that battle has often felt more deeply entwined in the state’s self-image than in other Southern states. But most of the monuments dedicated to Confederate generals and soldiers were erected by propagandists pushing a “Lost Cause” mythology meant to paper over the Confederacy’s overt motive of preserving slavery and present its leaders as driven by honor and states’ rights—an ideology they had not possessed at the time.


As historians pointed out, these statues were for the most part erected during the enactment of Jim Crow laws and later during the civil rights movement, indicating their placement was meant to send a message during times of racial tensions rather than to honor the dead.

Some defenders of the Lee-Jackson day have also argued that the generals were men motivated by a love of their homeland rather than racism. But as some have noted, Lee was a cruel slave master, and during the war, led an army that conducted “slave hunts” and commanded the massacre of black Union soldiers who attempted to surrender. Jackson, whose reputation has fared better than Lee’s, owned slaves and went to war to uphold the institution of human bondage.
 
It's been so surreal to see the change from the times of Dukes of Hazzard which was a TV show about a couple of southern boys driving around in a car called the "General Lee" with a huge dixie flag on top and nobody gave half a shit to today where apparently the Confederacy now has the same status as Nazi Germany? It's been such a big part of the culture of the south for a long time and it seems like in the past decade there's been this artificial push to make it taboo.

Honestly I'd take some southern hick who flies the confederate flag with pride over some northeast liberal who thinks the stars and stripes are a symbol of worldwide oppression.
 
Opinions on the governor aside, I like this move, I completely despise the whole "everyone's a winner" hippie crap we say in school these days. Second place deserves no special prizes, swim or sink bitch.
 
It's been so surreal to see the change from the times of Dukes of Hazzard which was a TV show about a couple of southern boys driving around in a car called the "General Lee" with a huge dixie flag on top and nobody gave half a shit to today where apparently the Confederacy now has the same status as Nazi Germany? It's been such a big part of the culture of the south for a long time and it seems like in the past decade there's been this artificial push to make it taboo.

Honestly I'd take some southern hick who flies the confederate flag with pride over some northeast liberal who thinks the stars and stripes are a symbol of worldwide oppression.
Indeed. It's almost like saying 'the DEMONRATS supported slavery [in the 1860s]' is a really stupid argument.

It's not quite as stupid as saying 'Lincoln talked about sending blacks back to Africa so the Republicans [150 years later]' are F**ING BASED. But it's up there.
 
They should have replaced Lee-jackson Day with Sherman Day.

Good comfy sleeps will come to you tonight but ONLY if you say "Do it again, Bill!"
 
If the confederacy never happened, then I guess slavery never happened either. Blacks can finally stop bitching and harping over it now lol.
 
The Civil War's legacy is perhaps the most disgraceful thing in this entire country. Not because of its consequences (though many of them are bad) but its reputation. You have the single most dynamic and sociopolitically/economically meaningful conflict in the nation's entire history and it's been boiled down to revisionist bullshit by dumbfucks of every aisle.

For that reason, I view the dismantling of the Confederacy's cultural footprint to be fucking stupid. Though Lost Causers (who are revisionist themselves) and racists obviously are """"enabled"""" by it, the leaders of the Confederacy are still fucking notable historically and impressive in their own ways.

Even past the Lost Cause, the Confederacy still represents an incarnation of southern culture that the north has painted over with "muh slaves"- a politicised tactic that has been perfected since its inception in the mid 19 century.

And if "muh slaves" is so bad then why have Colombus day and yadda yadda. "Because the Civil War was about freeing da slaves!" But why did the north want to do that? "Uh, they're the good guys?" OK.

So, yes, even if its most outspoken proponents are preaching a false narrative, at least there's more than one- that's closer to the geniune truth. It is sad that this is the best we can ask for.
The flag of a failed rebellion that fucking lost.
Nigger, the Confederacy had every disadvantage on the face of the planet. I hate this brainlet take. It's astonishing they made any millitary gains, forced the Union into a lot of what they did, and were on the offensive.
 
The Civil War's legacy is perhaps the most disgraceful thing in this entire country. Not because of its consequences (though many of them are bad) but its reputation. You have the single most dynamic and sociopolitically/economically meaningful conflict in the nation's entire history and it's been boiled down to revisionist bullshit by dumbfucks of every aisle.

For that reason, I view the dismantling of the Confederacy's cultural footprint to be fucking stupid. Though Lost Causers (who are revisionist themselves) and racists obviously are """"enabled"""" by it, the leaders of the Confederacy are still fucking notable historically and impressive in their own ways.

Even past the Lost Cause, the Confederacy still represents an incarnation of southern culture that the north has painted over with "muh slaves"- a politicised tactic that has been perfected since its inception in the mid 19 century.

And if "muh slaves" is so bad then why have Colombus day and yadda yadda. "Because the Civil War was about freeing da slaves!" But why did the north want to do that? "Uh, they're the good guys?" OK.

So, yes, even if its most outspoken proponents are preaching a false narrative, at least there's more than one- that's closer to the geniune truth. It is sad that this is the best we can ask for.

Nigger, the Confederacy had every disadvantage on the face of the planet. I hate this brainlet take. It's astonishing they made any millitary gains, forced the Union into a lot of what they did, and were on the offensive.
Also, the irony of the largely constructivist left going "THIS SUBCULTURE'S PERCEPTION OF WHAT HISTORICAL FIGURES REPRESENT IS WRONG AND SHOULD BE REMOVED BECAUSE IT MIGHT ENCOURAGE BAD ACTORS" is rich.
 
Reminder that Virginia sold out to the democratic party and get what they deserve along with the NRA cucks and VA GOP. Looks like West Virginia got the better end of the deal as they still retain their culture.

Now if any state GOP ignores this development and sell out to corporate America, they deserve mass immigration in exchange for losing everything.

We didnt sell out. We were invaded.
 
Nigger, the Confederacy had every disadvantage on the face of the planet. I hate this brainlet take. It's astonishing they made any millitary gains, forced the Union into a lot of what they did, and were on the offensive.
Yes, I'm impressed that they were re-tarded enough to pick a fight with a superior army over a vain and ridiculous cause.
At the end of the day the raised their flag and literally ripped the nation half apart for something unfathomably stupid. They deserved to be remembered but not as some champion underdogs or some other bullshit but instead as a punchline.
 
Yes, I'm impressed that they were re-tarded enough to pick a fight with a superior army over a vain and ridiculous cause.
At the end of the day the raised their flag and literally ripped the nation half apart for something unfathomably stupid. They deserved to be remembered but not as some champion underdogs or some other bullshit but instead as a punchline.
It was hardly "picking a fight." Though they fired the first shot, it was already a done deal. Once they seceded, the expansionist tendencies of both at the time made conflict nearly inevitable.

Also, LIBTARD
 
Yes, I'm impressed that they were re-tarded enough to pick a fight with a superior army over a vain and ridiculous cause.
At the end of the day the raised their flag and literally ripped the nation half apart for something unfathomably stupid. They deserved to be remembered but not as some champion underdogs or some other bullshit but instead as a punchline.

There was no such thing as an American nation in 1861. Our modern concepts of such a thing only really started to emerge in the lead up to world war 1. Before that things were very much a local affair and the Federal Government was that thing that put a tax on Alocohol. The leadership of the southern states certainly had their economic motive to preserve slavery but the hundreds of thousands of men who fought for the confederacy did so out of loyalty to their own individual nations. Which were their states.
 
Yes, I'm impressed that they were re-tarded enough to pick a fight with a superior army over a vain and ridiculous cause.
At the end of the day the raised their flag and literally ripped the nation half apart for something unfathomably stupid. They deserved to be remembered but not as some champion underdogs or some other bullshit but instead as a punchline.
You are proving his point.
 
There was no such thing as an American nation in 1861. Our modern concepts of such a thing only really started to emerge in the lead up to world war 1. Before that things were very much a local affair and the Federal Government was that thing that put a tax on Alocohol. The leadership of the southern states certainly had their economic motive to preserve slavery but the hundreds of thousands of men who fought for the confederacy did so out of loyalty to their own individual nations. Which were their states.
Just because they fought a war out of loyalty still does not mean it wasn't exceptional. Loyalty means nothing at the end of the day if isn't tied to cause that means something. A lot of people were loyal to a lot of stupid governments and ideologies.
 
Just because they fought a war out of loyalty still does not mean it wasn't exceptional. Loyalty means nothing at the end of the day if isn't tied to cause that means something. A lot of people were loyal to a lot of stupid governments and ideologies.
Fighting to avoid your entire livelihood being changed or for the very foundation of your government is not a meaningless cause.
 
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