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The Vatican has released a new document challenging modern conceptions of gender identity.

The 31-page teaching guidance, released on Monday, is titled Male and Female He Created Them.

It speaks of an "educational crisis" and says the current debate can "annihilate the concept of nature" and destabilise the family institution.

The document, released during Pride month, has drawn immediate criticism from LGBT groups.

It was issued by the Congregation for Catholic Education as teaching instruction to those who work with children.

It is not signed by Pope Francis himself, but quotes him and scripture within its reasoning.

What does the document say?
The document calls for dialogue, but issues guidance on a number of topics including the transgender community.

Notably it criticises the modern understanding of gender as being more complex than the binary division of sexes.

It says current theories "move away from nature" and instead "towards an absolute option for the decision of the feelings of the human subject".

It also says moveable sexual identities are "often founded on nothing more than a confused concept of freedom in the realm of feelings and wants".

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Media captionLGBT Catholics in Italy are asking for the Church to better understand them
It goes on to say that gender is not decided upon by individuals but imputed by God: "The Holy Scripture reveals the wisdom of the Creator's design, which has assigned as a task to man his body, his masculinity and femininity."

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Analysis: Questionable timing
By Megha Mohan, BBC Gender and Identity correspondent

It came without warning and at questionable time - LGBT Pride Month. Which is also 50 years since the Stonewall riots of 1969 - one of, if not the, most pivotal moments in gay history.

The 31-page document was decisive in its definition of the gender binary, condemning any deviation. It states that a person claiming identity beyond cisgender (when personal and gender identity is the same as birth sex) are trying to be "provocative".

The document came as a blow to activists, who say that such a stance will only alienate vulnerable people from the Church in a time where a lot of modern society has acknowledged, embraced and are celebrating LGBT communities.

In 2019 there are new and crucial conversations to be had on those whose identity varies from their biological sex: bathroom facilities, women's shelters, even prisons. But with the release of this document, the Catholic Church seems light years away from that dialogue.

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The document says that institutions should teach coherently on "the true nature of human persons" on the basis of "clear and convincing anthropology".

However, it also says that children and young people should be taught to respect every person so that no-one suffers bullying or other discrimination.

New Ways Ministry, a US advocacy group for LGBT Catholics, has described the document as a "harmful tool" that will be used to "oppress and harm not only transgender people, but lesbian, gay, bisexual people, too".

Francis DeBernardo, executive director of the group, rejected the notion that people "choose their gender".

In a statement, he said the document will "confuse those who sincerely struggle with questions of gender identity and sexual orientation" and described the Vatican as being in the "dark ages" on this issue.

The Catholic Church remains based regarding troons.
 



The Catholic Church remains based regarding troons.

The reasoning behind that is to keep little boys, little boys. After all, if priests could fuck little boys who call themselves girls, what's to stop them from fucking actual little girls, or even WORSE, GROWN WOMEN.

It would literally be the end of the Catholic Church.
 
The document came as a blow to activists, who say that such a stance will only alienate vulnerable people from the Church in a time where a lot of modern society has acknowledged, embraced and are celebrating LGBT communities.
It shows perfectly why the LGBs have gotten fucked due to their association with the Ts. Gay marriage is allowed, stop fucking pushing for some amorphous ideal of progress without actually having any end goals in mind. Absolutely shocking to me that the Catholic Church is less likely to fuck over their movement than the goddamned troons at this point.
 
This seems oddly out of place from the reign of Pope Woke the Spazteenth
 
This seems oddly out of place from the reign of Pope Woke the Spazteenth

It's the Great Catholic Tradition of dressing up your beliefs to pretend to be the same as other to draw them, and then you make them believe what you actually want them to believe.
 
The document came as a blow to activists, who say that such a stance will only alienate vulnerable people from the Church in a time where a lot of modern society has acknowledged, embraced and are celebrating LGBT communities
How dare these bigoted catholics not change the fundamental tenets of their world dominating religion for headpats from a group who generally think they are scum.
 
Not really, it is a helpful suggestion but it isn't written in stone that would should obey them. We are responsible for our own well being.
If you don't want to be told how to live your life, don't be religious. A priest is there to tell people what their holy book of choice says to do. And in this case, being trans is saying that god was wrong with how he made you. Which sounds awfully sacrilegious.
 
If you don't want to be told how to live your life, don't be religious. A priest is there to tell people what their holy book of choice says to do. And in this case, being trans is saying that god was wrong with how he made you. Which sounds awfully sacrilegious.
It is true that people trip over their own words, saying that God does not make mistakes but then saying that homosexuality is an abomination, God loves Man no matter his flaws, God loves all of us equally.
 
I'm not religious, but isn't the Bible ordained by God and transcibed by Man? If I'm wrong correct me.

If I am right, seems like the transcriber can put in whatever shit they like.
 
I have a lot of Catholic friends who can't beileve the Church finally acted... well like the Church.

You are being ridiculous, the only job a priest has is to tell you how to live your life. Is this the new 'private corporations can do anything they like'?

Yes and no. A priest can only suggest you how to live your life. Catholics believe in Free Will and a chance for redemption if you fuck up. There are things that many Catholics don't agree with the Church and how to deal with it it's between every person and their Confessor, who, again, offers you a guidance.

In this case it seems that they're just pointing out the position of the Church on the matter.
 
Both of those things are written in the Bible. Do you know better than God?
I do not, but even man can see the contradictions in God's words. He says he loves us all equally yet hates homosexuality, thus not all men are loved equally. Making God not all loving, because he would love his children regardless of their sexually orientation.
 
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