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verissimus said:
Eww...Optimus Prime looks like crap with those colors.
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It's a shame the Godzilla x Evangelion one was kind of of disappointment too.
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I've only seen the first Rebuild movie, but I've seen the TV series and the End of Evangelion movie.

I love it, though it's not as important to me on a personal level as other animes like Cowboy Bebop, but it's definitely one of the best anime franchises out there.

I feel like Eva does right what a lot of woketards are trying to do these days and that's subvert your expectations while providing meta commentary on the genre, but Eva manages to work as an exciting science fiction action show at the same time, it subverts your expectations but still gives you what you want, it's actually incredible how balanced it manages to be despite how incredibly out there it gets.

Eva also deals with negative emotions in a really raw way that fews things dare to go as far into, the only other comparison that springs to my mind is Pink Floyd: The Wall.

albertbrown26 said:
Gunbuster paved the way for Evangelion to exist
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Gunbuster is way underrated, it really is like an 80s proto Evangelion and it's awesome, it also has a leg up over Eva in that it has more nudity.

Gainax in general used to be an incredible studio that put out some of the coolest stuff I've ever seen, it's a shame that they've now become a "in name only" work for hire studio, though their spirit lives on elsewhere with studios like Trigger.
 
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Dom Cruise said:
Gunbuster is way underrated, it really is like an 80s proto Evangelion and it's awesome, it also has a leg up over Eva in that it has more nudity.

Gainax in general used to be an incredible studio that put out some of the coolest stuff I've ever seen, it's a shame that they've now become a "in name only" work for hire studio, though their spirit lives on elsewhere with studios like Trigger.
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It really hurts knowing how much gainax would fuck over anno years later. He was suppose to get the rights to Gunbuster, PSG, and I think FlCl but executive meddling prevented anno from ever gaining them and consequently we got FlCl progressive and alternative from adultswim which are just...really bad.
 
doof said:
It really hurts knowing how much gainax would fuck over anno years later. He was suppose to get the rights to Gunbuster, PSG, and I think FlCl but executive meddling prevented anno from ever gaining them and consequently we got FlCl progressive and alternative from adultswim which are just...really bad.
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I've not been able to work up the courage to try to watch Progressive and Alternative because the idea that they brought back FLCL but it sucks is incredibly depressing to me, like it's just plain wrong to fuck up something like FLCL.

If you ask me Panty and Stocking marked the end of the "real" Gainax.
 
Evangelion is one of my absolute favorite anime series. I have to admit, it started out a bit slow for me, but as I started watching more and more of it, I just couldn't find myself able to stop. My expectations were subverted so many more times than I would've thought. The animation was really beautiful and the series (and its movie sequel) contained some of my favorite scenes I've ever seen in any anime series. Asuka's mind rape scene and the scene with EVA-01 going berserk still send shivers down my spine to this very day. Hideaki Anno, along with Hayao Miyazaki and Satoshi Kon, is one of my favorite anime directors and this is clearly his best work.

I, however, have not seen the Rebuild film series yet. What are your guys' thoughts on it? I've heard a lot of different things about it, some positive and some negative.
 
Megaroad said:
Xenogears did the Christian imagery thing with actual meaning, for better or worse depending on who you ask (with Saga really driving it home with Jesus).

In Eva it was all just used as something to set it apart at the time from other shows (and most of it is obscure jewish terms like the angel names) while its theme is more Buddhist (all returns to nothing, ect).

I do feel for sure Square was influenced heavily in the making of Xenogears and FFVII by Eva.
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Two of the writers for Xenogears worked on Evangelion (...which also explains why Xenogears is also so ridiculously convoluted), so the connection there makes sense, but not for FF7.

Marissa Moira said:
Shinji has to do battle with Cloud Strife.
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If it means I get to see Cloud chop Shinji up into more pieces than Mecha Frieza, then I'm game.

garakfan69 said:
It's isn't even a mecha thing.
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Ding ding ding. It really isn't a mecha anime. Seriously. Yes there are Mecha robots in the show sure, but do they actually matter? No, they don't. How could they when the point of the show is for the main characters to get over their internal conflicts? Evangelion suffers from the exact same problem as Big O does and yet people sing paeans for the former and forget the latter almost completely simply because they think the former is "deep" and "subversive". Yeah...a huh. I bet you thought the same thing about the Last Jedi.
 
verissimus said:
Ding ding ding. It really isn't a mecha anime. Seriously. Yes there are Mecha robots in the show sure, but do they actually matter? No, they don't. How could they when the point of the show is for the main characters to get over their internal conflicts? Evangelion suffers from the exact same problem as Big O does and yet people sing paeans for the former and forget the latter almost completely simply because they think the former is "deep" and "subversive". Yeah...a huh. I bet you thought the same thing about the Last Jedi.
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I believe Freezing suffers a similar problem. But a lot of people thankfully don’t talk about that show except for the skin and boobies.
 
verissimus said:
Ding ding ding. It really isn't a mecha anime. Seriously. Yes there are Mecha robots in the show sure, but do they actually matter? No, they don't. How could they when the point of the show is for the main characters to get over their internal conflicts? Evangelion suffers from the exact same problem as Big O does and yet people sing paeans for the former and forget the latter almost completely simply because they think the former is "deep" and "subversive". Yeah...a huh. I bet you thought the same thing about the Last Jedi.
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This is one of the reasons I really enjoyed the original epsiodes 25 and 26 so much. Even if eoe is a really amazing movie and kinda helps finish the "mecha" storyline I liked how the tv finale wrapped up as best as they could shinjis conflict and also going into the minds of the other characters and seeing more of their perspective.
 
doof said:
This is one of the reasons I really enjoyed the original epsiodes 25 and 26 so much. Even if eoe is a really amazing movie and kinda helps finish the "mecha" storyline I liked how the tv finale wrapped up as best as they could shinjis conflict and also going into the minds of the other characters and seeing more of their perspective.
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...yes only in regards that I would rather go with the original over the movie (although that's pretty much a matter of choosing between the lesser of two evils for me), but no in general. Among my main gripes for the franchise...(why is this even a franchise) is why not just have had the original show just be some kind of tour de force specifically on Shinji's issues (maybe Asuka too, but not the rest of the characters)? Why bother distracting us with so-called Angels that the characters are told they have to fight, prevent the literal apocalypse from happening, etc. if the point of the show is for us to sympathize with the main characters interpersonal issues (and that's whether they get over them or not)? As far as I'm concerned ./hack sign approached this general theme from a better angle since we knew the "game world" didn't matter from pretty much the get-go.
 
ｃｈｌｏｒｉｎｅ said:
Evangelion is one of my absolute favorite anime series. I have to admit, it started out a bit slow for me, but as I started watching more and more of it, I just couldn't find myself able to stop. My expectations were subverted so many more times than I would've thought. The animation was really beautiful and the series (and its movie sequel) contained some of my favorite scenes I've ever seen in any anime series. Asuka's mind rape scene and the scene with EVA-01 going berserk still send shivers down my spine to this very day. Hideaki Anno, along with Hayao Miyazaki and Satoshi Kon, is one of my favorite anime directors and this is clearly his best work.

I, however, have not seen the Rebuild film series yet. What are your guys' thoughts on it? I've heard a lot of different things about it, some positive and some negative.
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1.0 is a perfectly adequate adaptation of the first 6 eps with a nice upgrade for best girl Rami-chan. 2.0 differs from the anime in that it focuses heavily on Rei and Shinji's relationship while more or less sidelining Asuka, who's now a played-straight tsundere minus her character-defining tragic backstory. I've even read that at some point in the development process they were debating whether or not to include Asuka at all, and ultimately put her in because of how iconic she is to the franchise... but I don't have a source for that on hand, so take it with a grain of salt. Personally I'm alright with this since the anime still exists if I want a story that focuses more on Shinji and Asuka. And while it would've been nice to get a more-or-less straight animation upgrade of the anime (god knows some of the animation has aged poorly), I'm not opposed to the idea of telling a new story using the same characters.

3.0 is... complicated. It throws a fuckton of questions at you and introduces a ridiculous amount of half-explained lore while not really answering anything, having characters acting seemingly extremely OOC, and not giving everyone's favorite waifu Mari a single ounce of character development. I personally don't like it all that much, but the movie's production history sheds some light on WHY 3.0 is the way it is. Namely, it was originally intended to be released as a double feature alongside 4.0, each about 40-50 minutes long. Meaning, there's a good chance that the original plot of 3.0 was literally written with the intention of it being half a movie. Now, obviously the double feature thing never panned out, but it still wouldn't have been too big an issue had 4.0 released when it was intended to, a year or two after 3.0. But we're at 8 years and counting, which is way too much time to hyper-analyze a movie where most of the answers boil down to "we just don't fucking know, there's just not enough information".

This knowledge gives me hope that 4.0 may pay off on 3.0's ideas in at least a somewhat satisfying way, because it suggests that the two movies were planned as two parts of one story, unlike say the Disney SW movies where JJ introduced meaningless plot points with the hope that Rian Johnson would figure out something to do with them and retroactively make them important, with JJ and the audience equally in the dark as to how the story is going to end. Thus, I'm going to hold off judgment on it because most of my gripes with 3.0 stem from a lack of clear information and context rather than any plot points in particular I find inherently objectionable. If 4.0 manages to PROVIDE that context, then I think it'll retroactively improve 3.0 just by giving it the conclusion it sorely needs. I'm willing to give Anno the benefit of the doubt here because it's not like he's purposely fucking with fans - I highly doubt HE feels good about 4.0's endless delays. That gives me hope that 3.0 feels unsatisfying and incomplete not for some pretentious artistic reason, but simply because it's part 1 of a two-part film whose latter half got stuck in production hell.
 
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Gar For Archer said:
1.0 is a perfectly adequate adaptation of the first 6 eps with a nice upgrade for best girl Rami-chan. 2.0 differs from the anime in that it focuses heavily on Rei and Shinji's relationship while more or less sidelining Asuka, who's now a played-straight tsundere minus her character-defining tragic backstory. I've even read that at some point in the development process they were debating whether or not to include Asuka at all, and ultimately put her in because of how iconic she is to the franchise... but I don't have a source for that on hand, so take it with a grain of salt. Personally I'm alright with this since the anime still exists if I want a story that focuses more on Shinji and Asuka. And while it would've been nice to get a more-or-less straight animation upgrade of the anime (god knows some of the animation has aged poorly), I'm not opposed to the idea of telling a new story using the same characters.

3.0 is... complicated. It throws a fuckton of questions at you and introduces a ridiculous amount of half-explained lore while not really answering anything, having characters acting seemingly extremely OOC, and not giving everyone's favorite waifu Mari a single ounce of character development. I personally don't like it all that much, but the movie's production history sheds some light on WHY 3.0 is the way it is. Namely, it was originally intended to be released as a double feature alongside 4.0, each about 40-50 minutes long. Meaning, there's a good chance that the original plot of 3.0 was literally written with the intention of it being half a movie. This wouldn't have been too big an issue had 4.0 released when it was intended, a year or two after 3.0. But we're at 8 years and counting, which is way too much time to hyper-analyze a movie where most of the answers boil down to "we just don't fucking know, there's just not enough information".

This knowledge gives me hope that 4.0 may pay off on 3.0's ideas in at least a somewhat satisfying way, because it suggests that the two movies were planned as two parts of one story, unlike say the Disney SW movies where meaningless plot points are introduced with the hope that the next writer will figure something out with them and retroactively make them important, with the writers and the audience equally in the dark as to how the story is going to end. Thus, I'm going to hold off judgment on it because I honestly think that if 4.0 is good it will retroactively remove most of my gripes with 3.0, which stem more from a lack of clear information and context rather than any plot points in particular I find inherently objectionable.
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Thank you! I'm going to give 1.0 a watch probably by the end of the month. Sucks that Asuka got sidelined though because she's one of my favorite characters (alongside Shinji, Misato, and Kaworu).
 
Useless fun fact, going by the 80m height of the models used in the Rebuilds (the only consistent source, since the size varies wildly in the anime), the scale between an Evangelion and a human is roughly the same as the scale between a human (175cm) and a Lego minifigure (4cm):

80 / 1.75 ~= 45.7 175 / 4 = 43.75

which means a minifig-scale Evangelion unit would literally be human-sized. That should give you a pretty good idea of just how fucking massive they are.

However, compared to some real-world large vehicles, they're actually not unreasonably huge. An Eva is roughly a fourth the size of an aircraft carrier (~330m, $4.5-6B), 2/3 the size of a Navy frigate (~130m, $100-150M), less than half the size of a Navy destroyer (~190m, ~$4B) and just a bit bigger than a Boeing 746 (~75m, ~$200M). This suggests that a single Evangelion unit, plus armaments and spare parts, lands solidly in the hundreds-of-millions-of-dollars range, which while undoubtedly expensive, is not unreasonably so, especially considering NERV is implied to have an absolutely absorbitant amount of money thrown its way. While I was originally watching the show I thought the logistics of the Evangelion program was kind of ridiculous, but it's actually a lot more reasonable than I thought as long as you don't think too hard about it - they're at least in the ballpark of plausibility.
 
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