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The Job Market Is Hell​

Young people are using ChatGPT to write their applications; HR is using AI to read them; no one is getting hired.

By Annie Lowrey

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Harris started looking for his first real job months before his graduation from UC Davis this spring. He had a solid résumé, he thought: a paid internship at a civic-consulting firm, years of volunteering at environmental-defense organizations, experience working on farms and in parks as well as in offices, a close-to-perfect GPA, strong letters of recommendation. He would move anywhere on the West Coast, living out of his car if he had to. He would accept a temporary, part-time, or seasonal gig, not just a full-time position. He would do anything from filing paperwork to digging trenches to build his dream career protecting California’s wildlife and public lands.

He applied to 200 jobs. He got rejected 200 times. Actually, he clarified, he “didn’t get rejected 200 times.” A lot of businesses never responded.

Right now, millions of would-be workers find themselves in a similar position. Corporate profits are strong, the jobless rate is 4.3 percent, and wages are climbing in turn. But payrolls have been essentially frozen for the past four months. The hiring rate has declined to its lowest point since the jobless recovery following the Great Recession. Four years ago, employers were adding four or five workers for every 100 they had on the books, month in and month out. Now they are adding three.

At the same time, the process of getting a job has become a late-capitalist nightmare. Online hiring platforms have made it easier to find an opening but harder to secure one: Applicants send out thousands of AI-crafted résumés, and businesses use AI to sift through them. What Bumble and Hinge did to the dating market, contemporary human-resources practices have done to the job market. People are swiping like crazy and getting nothing back.

Every time Harris logged in to LinkedIn or Indeed, he would see scores of gigs that seemed like they might be a good fit. He would read a posting carefully, scrub his résumé, tailor an introductory note, answer the company’s screening questions, hit send, hope for the best, and hear nothing in response—again and again and again.

Other job seekers described similar experiences. In suburban Virginia, a paralegal named Martine got laid off by a government contractor in April. (Like Harris, she did not want to dim her employment prospects by providing her full name.) She saw plenty of jobs being advertised at nonprofits, law firms, consultancies, and universities. She sent out dozens of applications. She even got to the second round a few times. But she never came close to being hired. “I have 10 years of experience,” she told me. “I would be happy if a person told me no at this point.”

For employers, the job market is working differently too. Businesses receive countless ill-fitting applications, along with a few good ones, for each open position. Rather than poring over the submissions by hand, they use machines. In a recent survey, chief HR officers told the Boston Consulting Group that they are using AI to write job descriptions, assess candidates, schedule introductory meetings, and evaluate applications. In some cases, firms are using chatbots to interview candidates, too. Prospective hires log in to a Zoom-like system and field questions from an avatar. Their performance is taped, and an algorithm searches for keywords and evaluates their tone.

Priya Rathod, a career-trends expert at Indeed, told me she understands why job seekers feel as if their résumés are “going into a void.” But she argued that the online platforms make it easier for people to find open positions and that AI can “get them to the next stage of the interview quicker,” if their applications fit an employer’s needs.

Still, a lot of job applicants never end up in a human-to-human process. The impossibility of getting to the interview stage spurs jobless workers to submit more applications, which pushes them to rely on ChatGPT to build their résumés and respond to screening prompts. (Harris told me he does this; he used ChatGPT pretty much every day in college, and finds its writing to be more “professional” than his own.) And so the cycle continues: The surge in same-same AI-authored applications prompts employers to use robot filters to manage the flow. Everyone ends up in Tinderized job-search hell.

For months, the economy has been in a low-hire, low-fire equilibrium; virtually every sector of the labor market except for health care has been frozen. The amount of time a worker has spent looking for a job has climbed to an average of 10 weeks, meaning that Americans are spending two weeks longer on the job market than they were a few years ago. The share of American workers quitting a job has fallen to its lowest level in a decade, because of concerns about rising prices and jitters about slowing growth.

The equilibrium now seems to be falling apart, and a full-on recession looks likely. Black workers have experienced a dramatic surge in joblessness, in part due to the Trump administration’s mass layoffs of federal employees. (The 154,000 civil servants who took the White House’s Fork in the Road deferred-resignation offer will receive their last paycheck this month.) More than 10 percent of workers under the age of 24 are searching for a job. “Performance-based and strategic layoffs are increasing,” Lydia Boussour of the consultancy EY-Parthenon wrote in a note to clients last week. “Cracks are increasingly showing.”

What is a worker supposed to do? Martine and Harris and millions like them are still trying to figure that out; she keeps on applying, whereas he is doing landscaping and volunteering. Rathod said that she recommends old-fashioned networking: asking recruiters out for coffee, going to in-person job events, and surveying friends and former employers for leads.

Such strategies might work if employers begin hiring again. But if not, millions more people might be left pitching their CVs into the void.
 
Jerome warned us 2 years ago that he was going to cool inflation by slowing down the job market via high interest rates. It's the only lever the fed has to pull anymore.
I feel like I'm watching the wheel of history turn round, only things have gotten even more shitty and gay. Like this paragraph:
He applied to 200 jobs. He got rejected 200 times. Actually, he clarified, he “didn’t get rejected 200 times.” A lot of businesses never responded.
Is straight out of a 2011 Great Recession article. Though I do feel a little bit for zoomers, because at least during the Great Recession, AI wasn't a thing and the Indian menace, though it was and had been a thing, wasn't as apocalyptic as it is now. But I'm beginning to wonder now much of this is corpos trying to fool investors, keep line going up, and hide a shitty economy behind new bells and whistles. The price of food and gas look awfull reminiscent of the Millennial Bad Times as well. But there's no way it could be happening again, it's all just the Chatgpt bubble, don't worry about it and keep building your Dutch Bros and Whattaburgers!
 
I feel that I really lucked out with the job I got into. However I'm kind of stuck and I really want to leave where I am since there's nothing out here in this dying area. :story: I looked at similar jobs with the state and other state jobs but it'll be very hard and time consuming to get into like this job was with how long it took. When I think about it though,I really am lucky since lots of jobs here left in the late 1980s and early 90s before I was born.
 
I'm in the middle of this shit since getting axed from my cushy laptop job last year. I'd say about 85% of the recruiters that contact me are Indian, and most of the time it's for positions I never applied for. Their accents are SO thick I can barely understand what they are saying. Even visual voicemail can't figure it out lol.

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Initially, I was ignoring emails/calls from any Indian sounding names, but now I simply can't afford to do so. I have a call with a Poojeeta scheduled today. Wish me luck bros....
 
the process of getting a job has become a late-capitalist nightmare
Capitalism is when every Fortune 500's hiring department becomes a sprawling DEI army of GloboHomo commissars, too incompetent and focused on pronoun training to actually hire.

Thank you, Annie Lowrey, wife of Ezra Klein, communist by way of Harvard, Vox, and The Atlantic, whose parasitic ideology directly create the situation she's now kvetching about.

Trump should do everything he can to nuke the DoJ's "Civil Rights division", all the policies that make HR departments mandatory, and all the incestuous relationships between government and corporations.
 
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why I became a corporate terrorist
I have a dozen examples of shit like this but I recently had a situation where I almost lost my place of living. Luckily I had savings to pay rent and what not but I ended up due to the mishandling of a contract with me being a contractor costing me almost 2 months pay.

One of the biggest issues that we have with any corporate entity is the fact that they do the aforementioned act of demanding experience in a field where you would only get said experience by getting hired to work in said field. This means it consistently I encounter people that are supposed to be supervising me or working above me that have absolutely no clue how to do the job that they were hired to do as a bachelor's degree doesn't prepare you to work with people, especially with people I work with.

Recently while working my way up the ladder in my field I had an automated system threaten me because I had halted some schooling I was doing to complete some State required training. Their shitty robot then had the gall to talk down to me about how though it understood what I was doing was important to maintain my employment that they had standards. Yet the last time I checked they can't legally kick me out of the program if I am actively participating until literally the first of next year. So their systems are even going against what they are knowing to be legal or are putting in their policies and no one cares. Secondarily I've seen that corpo webspaces have just become complete dog shit due to the fact that they're being maintained by one person, and everyone in the corporate side of things thats using it have just decided to give up and use broken software. All the while brow beating anyone else and claiming that there's nothing wrong with said software.

If you have any understanding of how middle management works and where we were 20 years ago versus where we are now you'd see that the collapse has already occurred. We're just walking around pretending like things are still being held together by duct tape and now the magical notion (and even worse implementation) of AI. Like you could absolutely crash major companies right now by just watching their computer systems fail to be maintained. The best thing any of you can do right now if you are in middle management is to ignore glaring computer issues until they crash the entire system. Let the people at a corporate level above you figure out that relying on computers for the past 30 years wasn't exactly the best option when it comes to maintaining employees or running a business.

This may sound weird but I encountered a cashier the other day that literally couldn't do math and it was refreshing. I am so sick of running into cashiers that obviously used to hold some job that they enjoyed that was nice and cushy and now they just hate the world because they have to work for $23 an hour bagging groceries. Yet the dude that I encountered yesterday had maybe a room temperature IQ and was happy as shit. It really puts on display how many jobs before covid were pure bullshit and probably created by HR specifically for dei
 
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The smartest kids, for multiple generations, were told to go into tech, which now only hires H1B foreigners. They got rugpulled. And trades faggots say "just be a plumber," as if that's working out so well for them as they struggle through a 20 year union apprenticeship where yet another boomer exploits them. Honestly? If you're a smart kid, look into how to make bombs.
 
Can anyone here verify that you have to apply for hundreds of jobs at a time, to get no response? Is this exclusively for computer touchers and other office drone jobs where you probably have the population of India applying at a time? Whenever I read it I just assume the person doing the applying has some huge character flaw or some other reason they aren't being hired, and are blaming the cyber-jeet for it.

Can't say I've ever experienced anything like the described, I work in engineering (more hands-on than sitting at a desk) so perhaps there aren't so many applicants even though the pay is good.
 
Harris started looking for his first real job months before his graduation from UC Davis this spring. He had a solid résumé, he thought: a paid internship at a civic-consulting firm, years of volunteering at environmental-defense organizations, experience working on farms and in parks as well as in offices, a close-to-perfect GPA, strong letters of recommendation. He would move anywhere on the West Coast, living out of his car if he had to. He would accept a temporary, part-time, or seasonal gig, not just a full-time position. He would do anything from filing paperwork to digging trenches to build his dream career protecting California’s wildlife and public lands.


Well another issue here that this journonigger refuses to acknowledge is that Harris is a white boy name. Given he wants to do public land management, it means he is probably trying to work for the State of California, who went “Harris is a white boy name, lose his application”. Could he sue the skin off them if he could prove it? Yes. He can’t prove it though.

I’ve seen the same thing at various large firms I’ve worked at in the past 8 or so years: when I was interviewing entry level candidates for a male dominated job role, the white male candidates used to be a like 2/3 of the candidates, now they’re like 1/10. HR is clearly discriminating against white men, but they have the plausible deniability to cover their ass.

Total HR Death.
 
Can anyone here verify that you have to apply for hundreds of jobs at a time, to get no response?
For some positions literally yes there are positions I'm absolutely qualified for that I have applied for repeatedly and I get no response. There in particular was one for the county in the area I live in that involved basically just upgrading computer systems and it specifically required my skill set of having multiple legacy computer systems and their integrations memorized.

Zero response.

I went down to the office where they had posted the listing from managed to get a hold of the HR manager that supposedly posted the listing and what do you know: she literally had no clue about the jobs position or its posting and referenced a third party company that they outsource their hiring through.

After looking this company up guess where they're located. Fucking India. So basically they have a third-party company that's contracted by the government in this case that hides postings so that they can only hire h1B visas.

When you run into shit like this it's not even a question as to why people get pissed off about these hiring processes. I point this out specifically because what they were paying for this job was about 10 grand higher than what I would consider the job being worth. And that's because that job was never geared towards an American citizen it was posted as a way to help someone with an H1B visa get a foothold in America.

If you want to create job postings like that because you have some political stance or social stance whatever that's your prerogative. But when literally every tech job is posted like this come on dude. You're not being realistic you've gotten your jobs via some form nepotism or extreme niche necessity.

The medical industry alone in hiring is bat shit insane: we have a deficit of records and database analysts or maintainers yet no one will pay a living wage where I live for these jobs so they sit empty. Literal jobs where having a bachelor's degree on paper would absolutely help. And if you go and talk to the people that are jobless right now where I live I guarantee you more than half of them are overqualified to be some type of database analyst and then the ones that do have schooling are far overqualified to be a sysop for what amounts to Oracle.
 
Yet the dude that I encountered yesterday had maybe a room temperature IQ and was happy as shit.
If it wasn't for the shit pay I wish I could do that. Just say fuck it all to what im currently doing and just bake bread at my local grocery store. No responsibility beyond making a loaf and greeting customers
 
Whenever I read it I just assume the person doing the applying has some huge character flaw or some other reason they aren't being hired, and are blaming the cyber-jeet for it.
Yes, being white is a liability now.
 
Though I do feel a little bit for zoomers, because at least during the Great Recession, AI wasn't a thing and the Indian menace, though it was and had been a thing, wasn't as apocalyptic as it is now.
I remember a local fast food place that opened a year or two ago choosing to import jeets (somehow they did it even though it's bumfuck nowhere) to work for them, but then they all got deported a couple months after Trump was inaugurated. They still refuse to hire local high schoolers.
Zoomers are mostly useless anyway. They can't think for themselves, won't show any initiative, don't take responsibility and aren't interested in learning. They also get offended when told they're doing a bad job, because never in their lives were they told "This is not good enough", so they think you're being mean and rude when you confront them over poor performance.
Participation Trophies really did a number on these kids.
Some are like that, but the majority are normal (somewhat). I would say around 20-30% are unemployable based on what I've seen IRL

Every time Harris logged in to LinkedIn or Indeed, he would see scores of gigs that seemed like they might be a good fit. He would read a posting carefully, scrub his résumé, tailor an introductory note, answer the company’s screening questions, hit send, hope for the best, and hear nothing in response—again and again and again.
LinkedIn can go fuck itself, especially after we were all forced to get it for class. It took the others a lot longer than I did to find out that it was useless except for hearing how Abhishkek Subharjeet motivated himself to work harder while earning 10 cents an hour
 
I work in IT for my current employer for a while now and I can verify that they all think AI is a fucking miracle tool.
The one jeet in my department (because ofcourse) loves his co-pilot.
Gave wrong info multiple times to customers expecting others to fix his shit.
He tried to reason why he uses AI instead of the knowledge he got in school: "It is the future why should I not use it?" Which is not totally wrong but if he keeps making accidents he cannot keep thinking this.
A jeet is unable to think for himself, he needs the computer to do it for him, as jeets will crumble without the support of AI.
Eventually everyone will use their own custom gpt to write or best case: everyone is done with that shit and even a smallest typo in a mail would be considered respect as it confirms they are speaking to a real person.
 
No responsibility beyond making a loaf and greeting customers
What if I told you the average cashier being able to do math was always a dei HR inspired pipe dream where they wanted to pretend that our school systems were providing enough attributable education as to prepare people to tackle the monumental task of quarter nickel dime penny?

Back when it was a mom and pop shop yeah you bet your ass you better know how to do math or you'll lose money. Big box retailers have always accepted the cashiers were new/untrained and that's why a lot of them used automated coin dispensers. I was even perverted by the logic when I was younger by thinking that when there was an automatic coin dispenser that meant that the person was stupid. And that's not the case. That was just the company going "well we understand that the education level has dropped dramatically in most Western nations let's automate something to keep us from losing money."

So when you look at it in that light you can see that those positions were always supposed to be filled by the individual you described. Someone who is happy to help the customer so that if there was an error their demeanor alone disarmed the situation.
 
Zoomers are mostly useless anyway.
Even if true, zoomers aren't the only ones trying to find work in Current Year.

There are plenty of capable people with years of experience who can't even get a look-in because a company would rather hire a handful of jeets who can't speak English but know how to ask ChatGPT to write code for them and that's good enough for management so long as the product works (until it doesn't).
 
This is actually very true, anecdotally I was technically hired and got the job but the HR people had to do my onboarding and I didn't have any direct means to contact the supervisor/recruiter that hired me, the contact wall being the front office and the directory to the HR with basically means no way of contacting the inner-staff(the guys who actually do shit) so I was stuck in a two week limbo of the HR ignoring my emails and not doing their end of the onboarding process until one of them spent more than five seconds when I finally got them on phone to look at the fact that I was hired and they had to do my onboarding and you could hear their auditory distress, I finally got my email sent and the onboarding carried onto the next phase in which stalled again because they spent two days not emailing me the relevant information to complete my onboarding and ignoring my subsequent email in which i had to spam phonecall the direct office to get into the directory back to the HR office in which a separate HR person finally took my call and then auditorially distressed and made sure the previous person actually finish my process so I basically spent two weeks and a few days unpaid because of that, I still don't know what those people actually do besides fingerwag people about the latest irrelevant jargon.
Meanwhile, whatever you were supposed to do, assigned to me and other already-overworked employees.

I've learned when the HR ppl claim they are "going to bring in some extra people to help"--good God, batten down the hatches.

They have no idea what "help" means and it always means extra work for us, not less.

They are a pain in the ass at their best, a total catastrophe at their worst.
 
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