The Great Porn Debate - The Coomites vs Anti-Faparians

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Remove any and all IP protections for the porn industry. Since it's mostly a rent based industry this should kill the incentive for pornography to be produced.

No censorship required, just kill it at the supply level
 
Duke Nukem said:
Well to be serious for a minute, relationships and especially marriage are not the sexual paradise that incels believe them to be. Dead bedrooms are a thing, but that's not always because of porn, it's often because people change over time and sometimes attraction wanes as well. So sometimes guys get bored with the sex in their lives or the partners have different drives, and something needs to change.
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Well my friend said she complained to her Mother and her Mother said, "thats just what guys do"
 
Omen_Sulk said:
Well my friend said she complained to her Mother and her Mother said, "thats just what guys do"
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Not to mention they don't care about the difference between, I dunno, a couple of Playboys and some weird ass puppy play sex costume with accompanying videos.

For Christ's sake it's not like you're giving the guy any actual sex half the time, but that's what marriage devolves into for many people.

Just because you're "in a relationship" doesn't mean you're satisfied with it, or even attracted to the person, maybe you were at some point.
 
Duke Nukem said:
Not to mention they don't care about the difference between, I dunno, a couple of Playboys and some weird ass puppy play sex costume with accompanying videos.

For Christ's sake it's not like you're giving the guy any actual sex half the time, but that's what marriage devolves into for many people.

Just because you're "in a relationship" doesn't mean you're satisfied with it, or even attracted to the person, maybe you were at some point.
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I thing was another girl I spoke to was complaining her guy was chatting and paying a bunch Onlyfans girls. Apparently they had a huge fight over it.
 
namvata said:
Remove any and all IP protections for the porn industry. Since it's mostly a rent based industry this should kill the incentive for pornography to be produced.

No censorship required, just kill it at the supply level
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Some Hollywood production company would take it upon themselves to educate the gentile American public, and the world for that matter, by creating highly produced porn as a matter of "philanthropy". Remember that YouTube has been in the red for years. I don't think it's ever been profitable. Google looses millions by owning it. Only a fraction of a fraction of all billions of hours uploaded daily to YouTube ever even gets close to covering the cost of hosting it on their servers. But they clearly gain something else that money can't buy, and that's why it's worth it for them. See, if you still hold the old-fashioned and reductionistic view of companies as solely profit-motivated entities with no allegiances beyond that, the world doesn't make sense anymore.
 
I don't think it's right to ban pornography - ultimately, the state can't make you respect yourself and will never turn you into a temperate individual. The burden is on the individual to make the best decisions for their life, and on the parents to instill their values onto their children, and not give them smartphones.
 
Transphobic Climacus said:
I don't think it's right to ban pornography - ultimately, the state can't make you respect yourself and will never turn you into a temperate individual. The burden is on the individual to make the best decisions for their life, and on the parents to instill their values onto their children, and not give them smartphones.
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The citizens can and should vote in politicians that are representing their desires and put them in practice. What other reason for a state if not law, order, political representation?
If we're all just individuals I'm sure you can take care of yourself when you get pancreatic cancer and I'll demand that you pay me 500K for chemo and 1M for surgery, and talk to other medics to keep prices high. And you'll be fine dealing with the crack dealers that raped your daughter by yourself too.
Best of luck, based individual
 
Omen_Sulk said:
I thing was another girl I spoke to was complaining her guy was chatting and paying a bunch Onlyfans girls. Apparently they had a huge fight over it.
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Paying a bunch of girls to chat but not have sex when you have a girlfriend is weird addict behavior. Paying an actual prostitute for sex makes more sense and would freak the girlfriend out less.
 
AgendaPoster said:
The citizens can and should vote in politicians that are representing their desires and put them in practice. What other reason for a state if not law, order, political representation?
If we're all just individuals I'm sure you can take care of yourself when you get pancreatic cancer and I'll demand that you pay me 500K for chemo and 1M for surgery, and talk to other medics to keep prices high. And you'll be fine dealing with the crack dealers that raped your daughter by yourself too.
Best of luck, based individual
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Well said.

You know that someone is arguing in bad-faith when they pretend to be against the very idea of delegating power to a centralized government. Because the idea of having one is common sense. We need to do so to keep order. I was arguing a few pages back (17-18 ) with a couple of people who kept calling me names, that we need to protect the social environment which our children grow up in. If porn should not be banned, then what other solution do they offer, I asked. No proper answer, just straw-manning, name-calling and refusal to display any comprehension of what I was trying to say.

Here is a list of statements I just can't take seriously anymore.
  • Everyone should take care of themselves.
  • I don't want government in my personal life.
  • Solution to porn? Personal responsibility.
or variations thereof. We can't progress the conversation unless we get past this idea and acknowledge that pro-porn advocates aren't against the idea of having a centralized government, but that they don't want their government to ban porn, like it's banning drugs or prostitution or plenty of other things that are proven to harm people. The discussion should be: why shouldn't it ban porn? Isn't porn harmful enough? Not whether or not we should live in an AnCap society, lol.
 
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End Game said:
idea of delegating power to a centralized government
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It's not some arcane lolbert knowledge that governments are often corrupt, brutal and severely flawed, but these people act with incredible superiority as if they stumbled upon some divine truth arguing against it.
We just don't know what the fuck should we replace this form of state power/organizing with that's not worse. We do know that where the central authority is very weak, militias, personal armies, warlords and terrorism start to appear, and normal people that wanna work, have a family and live a quiet, productive life suffer tremendously. We've seen these all over Africa. And we've seen anarchy in parts of Europe/Asia too, it's not like wartime Bosnia or Chechnya were some sort of orderly havens for civilization.
If we find something that better than government, we will know as it passes the test of time, and manages successfully challenges from political enemies. For now, most of us prefer some stability, safe neighborhoods, decent paying jobs and a life that's not filled with fear of the feral proto-humans hunting you down.
 
End Game said:
Here is a list of statements I just can't take seriously anymore.
  • Everyone should take care of themselves.
  • I don't want government in my personal life.
  • Solution to porn? Personal responsibility.
or variations thereof. We can't progress the conversation unless we get past this idea and acknowledge that pro-porn advocates aren't against the idea of having a centralized government, but that they don't want their government to ban porn, like it's banning drugs or prostitution or plenty of other things that are proven to harm people. The discussion should be: why shouldn't it ban porn? Isn't porn harmful enough? Not whether or not we should live in an AnCap society, lol.
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Let me preface this. I'm an incorrigible statist with an "authoritarian personality" and many moralist logs up my arse.
The way I phrased my other comment was wrong. It's not about it being "right" or "wrong" to ban pornography - I think, morally, it would be right. Pornography is only a massive negative for the male population and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. But at present, I have serious practical concerns that the elites of Western oligarchies being granted further power to directly censor and influence content in the Internet or other means of communication could backfire, in many ways. I think it's bad enough as it is.

I recognise the power of governments to help the population flourish in a paternalistic manner - but in my current situation I do not think my government is legitimate or represents the interests of the population of my country. I have a strong belief that any hypothetical anti-pornographic campaign would inevitably be coupled with even further restrictions on the information sphere as to make the cure worse than the disease. Does that make sense? And if the current government is plutocratic, ran by rootless cosmopolitans with no real interest in societal well-being, the best course of action is for you to take care of your own life, that of your family, friends, community, etc..
 
Transphobic Climacus said:
I recognise the power of governments to help the population flourish in a paternalistic manner - but in my current situation I do not think my government is legitimate or represents the interests of the population of my country. I have a strong belief that any hypothetical anti-pornographic campaign would inevitably be coupled with even further restrictions on the information sphere as to make the cure worse than the disease. Does that make sense? And if the current government is plutocratic, ran by rootless cosmopolitans with no real interest in societal well-being, the best course of action is for you to take care of your own life, that of your family, friends, community, etc..
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You are right. I also have this concern when it comes to my government. Our politicians are scum, and the corrupt power-grabs that they legalize are getting more and more transparent. A firewall would end up being abused, for sure.
Personally, I believe that this can only be solved at a cultural level, and by taking a bottom-up approach. I'm just not sure how.
Large companies that push porn on society must be countered by people working together in large organizations and institutions, not by disjoint individuals.
 
End Game said:
You know that someone is arguing in bad-faith when they pretend to be against the very idea of delegating power to a centralized government.
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Some tasks can only be done by a central government. Namely protecting borders, having a standing army and regulating foreign trade. If you don't delegate those task, you don't have a country. But I fail to see how this means we also need a central government to regulate porn, drugs or whatever other vice we can come up with?
Is your argument that all questions of morality and good living should be regulated by the central government?
End Game said:
that we need to protect the social environment which our children grow up in. If porn should not be banned, then what other solution do they offer, I asked.
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I know you hate the very idea of personal responsibilty but that doesn't stop me from making that argument. It is primarily the parent's responsibility to police their children and not the central government. May I remind you that a lot of western governments are currently pushing literal castration of children so to invite them to help me raise children doesn't sound very helpful to me.

I am sympathetic with parents to an extent. Today it is certainly very difficult to monitor what your children do online. But difficult is not impossible and if we use that argument a lot of stuff has to be banned outright. And sooner or later they have to grow up anyways and that includes learning to cope with the real world and the pitfalls that come with that.
End Game said:
We can't progress the conversation unless we get past this idea and acknowledge that pro-porn advocates aren't against the idea of having a centralized government, but that they don't want their government to ban porn, like it's banning drugs or prostitution or plenty of other things that are proven to harm people.
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It wouldn't progress the conversation in a way you agree with. I am also not a pro porn advocate because I don't think porn is great. My position is simply fuck the government as much as possible without descending into total anarchy. Because the government's track record is just that bad.
 
im5!XxhO said:
It wouldn't progress the conversation in a way you agree with. I am also not a pro porn advocate because I don't think porn is great. My position is simply fuck the government as much as possible without descending into total anarchy. Because the government's track record is just that bad.
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Well you can call it whatever you want if the word 'state' doesn't appeal to you. A nation and a people has the right to exist free from the influence of poisons and it has the right to communally organize itself to forcibly eject such poisons from its body. When a community rallies together to, say, shoot on sight all drug dealers, whether by some militia of sovreign citizens or by an institution internationally recognized as a state, it is an expression of the liberty of self-governance. It is a good thing in either case. 'State' doesn't really have anything to do with it.
 
ITK said:
Well you can call it whatever you want if the word 'state' doesn't appeal to you. A nation and a people has the right to exist free from the influence of poisons and it has the right to communally organize itself to forcibly eject such poisons from its body. When a community rallies together to, say, shoot on sight all drug dealers, whether by some militia of sovreign citizens or by an institution internationally recognized as a state, it is an expression of the liberty of self-governance. It is a good thing in either case. 'State' doesn't really have anything to do with it.
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I found no reason to allow pornography for any consensus, any exposure to lust can corrupt a person's mind even if they reject it at first becuase temptations of lust can seriously erode moral boundaries and give people an incentive to not just become coomers but also human traffickers. To avoid power leveling speaking from experience myself, You can find dozens of people on the internet who openly admit their mind has been corrupted by pornography even if the exposure was minuscule. Especially in a world where controversy sells (ex. 2 girls 1 cup reactions), the average age someone is exposed to porn is 11. These people also admit being uneasy around children and vulnerable people as their minds constantly tempt them to violate such people. Even worse is that a series of elsagate videos on YouTube and YouTube's poor ability to handle it has led a bunch of children exposed to this garbage to become elsagate content creators themselves. Nearly every pornographic work is meaningless garbage and even the rare ones that suggest something more based, I still cannot trust it to be in the consensus due to the extremely liberal use of rancid visuals. (ex. There are many things I like about Cream Lemon such as it's excellent character design and interesting 80s aesthetic, however it's a very corrupting work I tend to avoid because there is a lot of bad things about it and I cannot recommend it to anyone). I also tend to blame pornography for one of the factors of the downfall of anime.

Now contrary to the belief that Liberal countries that allow pornography would do nothing about this (and it might be entirely true in the future with ever increasing political correctness). There are still at least many people in the government factions who are dedicated to controlling pornography and cracking down on human trafficking. People in the United States and Canada who are caught jerking off to Child Pornography end up getting arrested and made examples of so the public gets an incentive not to trust them. in 2008, Canada banned many works of Hentai including Cool Devices considering it as over exploitation of Sex. However the country still allows many hentai works considering them "wholesome" and the points get even more contradicted when works that are even worse than Cool Devices are still completely legal in Canada. Even worse is that countries that ban pornography have a seriously hard time controlling porn sites.

The only possible way someone can view pornography is through extremely vigilant research with extreme precautions and that is if it's essential only related to a topic or event. However, if they are tempted, they should seriously abandon it and focus on something else. Pornography shouldn't be protected under freedom of expression as that dogma only serves to further corrupt the population. Pornography is also one of many contributions to increasing crime rate as these works (as well as their minds corrupted by it) tempt them to do violent things.
 
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Shart Attack said:
American violent and property crime rates have decreased at the same time access to porn has increased. Not saying there's a connection, just saying you're wrong.
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I got you here. This is what really happened.
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The golden age of porn happened from 1969 - 1984. During this time, crime rate climbed almost continuously and has peaked near the end of the era. Once that era was over, Crime rate almost continuously dropped. The peak in 1992 for the contiguous US was a result of gang related issues in California such as the LA riots. America has never recovered to pre-1970 levels, the time in which porn was a taboo.
 
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