Opinion The Constitution Is America’s Bible - "Americans should be more like tyrannized foreigners and think liberty is something the government permits them." /s/A Canadian

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One of the inescapable conclusions that came from diving deep into the allure of originalism was the profound and uniquely American connection between theories of constitutional interpretation and methodologies of religious exegesis. Professor Jamal Greene writes that “[t]he American attitude toward the Constitution is frequently described in terms of worship, reverence, and fidelity.” Greene cites Max Lerner fretting all the way back in 1937 that “the very habits of mind begotten by an authoritarian Bible and a religion of submission to a higher power have been carried over to an authoritarian Constitution and a philosophy of submission to a ‘higher law.’ ” Lerner then pointed to the paradox wherein “a country like America, in which its early tradition had prohibited a state church, ends by getting a state church after all, although in a secular form.”

It’s impossible to separate the new, conservative affinity for treating text as sacred and the Supreme Court as oracular diviners of holy meaning from statistics showing a statistically significant correlation between Americans’ approval of originalism and their belief in the literal truth of the Bible. One of my favorite thinkers on the link between originalism and religion is Yale Law School professor Jack Balkin, Knight Professor of Constitutional Law and the First Amendment and director of the Information Society Project at Yale, whose new book, Memory and Authority: The Uses of History in Constitutional Interpretation, was published earlier this year. I spoke with him about the connection on the latest episode of Amicus, which we’ve excerpted below. The excerpt is condensed and edited for clarity.

Dahlia Lithwick: I would love for you to talk about religion, because there’s such a strong religious valence to so much of this much. You write this in your new book, Memory and Authority: “A distinctive feature of American constitutional culture is its quasi-religious veneration of its framers and founders.” I would love for you to tell me how this maps on to this very strange, fraught American religion of the Constitution?

Jack Balkin: Compare America to Canada: The Canadians have a constitution that protects rights and liberties and allows its government to do stuff. They don’t have the same kind of worshipful attitude toward the people who, over many years, created Canada. The French: They do have a revolutionary culture, the French Revolution—but the French don’t revere the revolutionaries as we do. (That’s because some of the revolutionaries are people like Danton and Robespierre, who are very complicated individuals.) What’s interesting about America is it’s a political revolution in a revolutionary culture, and it’s a revolution in which the country, the imagined people, the American people, and the nation all are supposed to have occurred at roughly the same time. And the people who make the Constitution are the people who make the nation and who constitute the people as a people.

This is a myth, by the way. This is not true—that it all happened at the same time. But in the myth, the people who did it are our heroes because they made our nation and our Constitution and we love them, right? So that’s very American, and you won’t find that combination, that magical combination, in a lot of other countries. It is, however, one reason why we venerate the founders. But we have a bunch of other cultural heroes too: Lincoln is a cultural hero, Martin Luther King Jr. is a cultural hero, and we have various others: Rosa Parks is a cultural hero. So we have all these culture heroes in America who stand for great things and who did wonderful things. But what’s so interesting is that the original cultural heroes are the founders, as a group. And then there are individual ones—the big six, you know: Washington, Hamilton, Madison, Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin. These are the big six. And they stand out as special kinds of heroes. So that’s America, that’s just American culture.

Now, religion. So as you know, the American culture begins with radical Protestants coming to America. And then they all split up into different religious sects. But what they all have in common is a belief that you should really be serious about religious texts and the Bible. And you should read them carefully, and you should interpret them on your own, and you shouldn’t be beholden to any special group of priests to tell you what it means. You should determine what Scripture means for yourself. This is also very American. It’s how Americans think about their Constitution and their declaration. People carry copies of the Constitution or the Declaration [of Independence] in their pockets. They pull them out and read them. You will not find people in other countries pulling out copies of their constitution and reading them like it’s Scripture. And that’s the religious tradition in America. And, by the way, it’s on the left and the right, it’s not just about conservatives, it’s liberals and conservatives.

It’s how Americans think about the texts that are constitutive of them. And the declaration is treated often as equally important, if not more important than the Constitution. As Lincoln says, It’s the golden apple, and the silver frame is the Constitution that surrounds it. And that’s also very American. And this goes all the way through American history. It’s not just the modern period, and that’s a distinctive feature of our culture. Indeed, I would just say: You can’t understand American constitutionalism without understanding American culture. The two are basically joined.

 
Now, religion. So as you know, the American culture begins with radical Protestants coming to America. And then they all split up into different religious sects.
Virginia was settled first of any colony and was not populated by radical Protestants. It was the largest and wealthiest colony by far, its institutions directly influenced the US government structure, and it was home to 7 of the country's first 10 Presidents. I really don't think the United States draws any cultural influence from the Quakers or Anabaptists so you must mean Puritans.

The influence of the Puritans is massively overstated and nothing but an advertising meme to sell turkeys and stuffing in November. They basically died out entirely in the early 18th century and their Congregationalist successors shared little of the same severity. The vast majority of the immigration to the Thirteen Colonies also happened after they died out and most of them never even settled in New England anyways.

It'd help if you actually understood the history of the country you're making stupid, insulting statements about.

The result of dozens of intelligent men deliberating for days on end. All of whom while upper class, were still relatively grounded individuals from multiple disciplines trying to futureproof a stable nation for free men as much as they reasonably could.
Most issues are due to bad, overly broad, or misguided amendments anyways, like the 14th, 16th or 17th. I guess people were really retarded in the first decades of the 20th century because they also passed the 18th not long afterwards.

Thankfully Prohibition was repealed but the damage to respect and trust towards government and law enforcement was already done.
 
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The Constitution is a contract between the People, the states, and the Federal government on what exactly the feds would be allowed to do. The power ultimately belongs to We The People. Unfortunately along the way the Supreme Court decided that the whole "unless a thing was expressly authorized for the Feds it was prohibited" didn't really apply. Between saying Congress effectively had unlimited spending authority, Wickard v Filburn, and the Chevron Doctrine (which hopefully will be gone soon), Congress could pretty much pass any law on any subject and it was kosher, regardless of what Art 1., Sec. 8 says.
 
Yet again, I post this:
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If the author doesn't like the Constitution, go ahead as pass an amendment. The US Constitution has a process so it can be as modern as you want it to be.
 
The Constitution is a contract between the People, the states, and the Federal government on what exactly the feds would be allowed to do. The power ultimately belongs to We The People. Unfortunately along the way the Supreme Court decided that the whole "unless a thing was expressly authorized for the Feds it was prohibited" didn't really apply. Between saying Congress effectively had unlimited spending authority, Wickard v Filburn, and the Chevron Doctrine (which hopefully will be gone soon), Congress could pretty much pass any law on any subject and it was kosher, regardless of what Art 1., Sec. 8 says.
I assume the Chevron one is why federal agencies like the CDC or OSHA have the power to make their own laws out of thin air and enforce them with criminal penalties. Thank God the SCOTUS overturned that vax mandate, what a disaster that would have been.

Thankfully it is already overturned at the state level in a few places and likely more to come but it needs to go at the federal level.
 
You will not find people in other countries pulling out copies of their constitution and reading them like it’s Scripture
i guess america is the only country that teaches civics still. The constitutions in other countries don't matter because the countries are corrupt, coup'd, or nonexistent. Haiti's constitution means fuck all right now.
 
The Constitution is a contract between the People, the states, and the Federal government on what exactly the feds would be allowed to do. The power ultimately belongs to We The People. Unfortunately along the way the Supreme Court decided that the whole "unless a thing was expressly authorized for the Feds it was prohibited" didn't really apply. Between saying Congress effectively had unlimited spending authority, Wickard v Filburn, and the Chevron Doctrine (which hopefully will be gone soon), Congress could pretty much pass any law on any subject and it was kosher, regardless of what Art 1., Sec. 8 says.
This.

Our country can function with both California and Texas in the same wildly diverse nation because the constitution and its amendments are interpreted textually. It's not just a suggestion or guidelines, but a contract between our states, our citizens and the federal government.

Btw I do think dem states are much worse than gop states but I wouldn't rule out gop states getting up to goofy shit if they were so empowered. Gridlock in congress and state's rights are features of our Federalist system, not bugs.
 
Desperate situations require drastic measures. Keep reciting those platitudes from civics class, like a good little boy.

By the way, we have strongarm measures on out history, namely Abraham Lincoln who violated the "human rights" of people in Maryland and elsewhere who supported secession or even expresses sympathy for the idea.

Lincoln was a tyrant. He rolled in the army, arrested and imprisoned a State's whole government, and installed a puppet government to do his bidding, all because he was worried that State would secede. Not because they had threatened to secede or informed DC that they were going to secede, but merely because Lincoln was worried they would and DC would be completely surrounded by CSA States.
 
Lincoln was a tyrant. He rolled in the army, arrested and imprisoned a State's whole government, and installed a puppet government to do his bidding, all because he was worried that State would secede. Not because they had threatened to secede or informed DC that they were going to secede, but merely because Lincoln was worried they would and DC would be completely surrounded by CSA States.
Maryland at the time was very pro-CSA. It wasn't at all an unreasonable concern.
 
And the loyalist states were okay with it since they didn't try to impeach him over it or even send a non-official rebuke.
 
Constitutional discussions suffer from arguers' importing a host of shorthand references that actually have a number of interpretations and not setting out the assumptions the arguer has baked into the terms being used. So I have questions.

Abraham Lincoln who violated the "human rights" of people in Maryland and elsewhere who supported secession or even expresses sympathy for the idea.
To which actions specifically are you referring?

Our country can function with both California and Texas in the same wildly diverse nation because the constitution and its amendments are interpreted textually.
Are you advocating textualism or originalism?

Right or wrong, his methods worked, and it shows what a fraud sentimentalism about the Constitution is.
How do you mean "fraud" and "sentimalism about the Constitution" here?
 
Right or wrong, his methods worked, and it shows what a fraud sentimentalism about the Constitution is.

I disagree. Lincoln has nothing really to do with the Constitution as it was drafted and intended by the Framers. I'd argue that if more people had held the Constitution to high esteem then they would not have allowed Lincoln to abuse his power like he did. It is because they were willing to compromise and overlook the limitations placed upon Government "for a greater good" that Lincoln was able to do most of the heinous shit he did "in the name of the Union" and we now have the bloated government willing to abuse their power and ignore their Constitutional obligations that we do today.
 
There's nothing really wrong in the article. It's a foreigner looking at a culture foreign from his own and declaring that it's different.

That said, I do agree that the modern concensus that the constitution and the founders were holy and we should view them in a religious frame is odd. I understand this little bit of indoctrination was required to bind the American people together under a common framework, but with present circumstances it's just a millstone around the neck of any movement trying to save the country from it's death spiral. Every time an incident gives light to Plato's noble lie of government, the average American's eyes glaze over until it passes and they pretend it never happened. If they do bother to acknowledge it, they simply chant "Real constitutionalism has never been tried. Real constituionalism has never been tried..." over and over again.

The founders were smart men, but they weren't omniscient saints, and the constitution isn't a holy document. Ignoring the idolatry, it was just the founders being forced to stay after class and redo their homework (i.e. the article of confederation.) And all they really did was copy Montesque's work without understanding what really makes divided government actually work. Hint: it's a class system.
 
You disagree that Lincoln won the Civil War and.let the Union together? Nothing else matters. And most revere him, just as most dummies think Chruchill was a swell guy.

No, I disagree with the other part of your post. Your statement about sentimentality towards the Constitution. I think we need more of that. The price of liberty is constant vigilance. Because of people's lack of vigilance, Lincoln was able to be a tyrant and paved the way for the oppressive government we have today.
 
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