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Ah yes, railroading. Otherwise known as "I did no set up for my idea and my backstory doesn't support it but I want to do it and the GM's a meanie for not letting me." Granted, real railroading does exist but in most cases it's just players pissy they, like you said, need to do some legwork instead of rolling one or two skill checks. It's like how I've had players think that Sense Motive lets them read any character's mind.
 
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Because she's got a dex of 24, is a 10th-14th level fighter loaded with combat feats, the correct feats to transfer that to bonuses to hit, a +3 bastard sword of keen, the chainmail bikini has no max dex bonus, AND has deflection+3 and Heavy Fortification.

Basically, she'll eat them for lunch.

In 1E/2E, she's going to hack them to pieces in 4 rounds.
 
Because she's got a dex of 24, is a 10th-14th level fighter loaded with combat feats, the correct feats to transfer that to bonuses to hit, a +3 bastard sword of keen, the chainmail bikini has no max dex bonus, AND has deflection+3 and Heavy Fortification.

Basically, she'll eat them for lunch.

In 1E/2E, she's going to hack them to pieces in 4 rounds.
See I hear all of this and then:

"I cast destruction" comes from the Cleric's mouth.

Then again I tend to play 3.5, so Fighters suck shit in that edition.
 
See I hear all of this and then:

"I cast destruction" comes from the Cleric's mouth.

Then again I tend to play 3.5, so Fighters suck shit in that edition.
Everything that's not a Cleric or a Druid can go suck a dick in 3.5.

On the other hand, it's not like the Cleric is going to need any armor to begin with so why not put her in a chaimail bikini too?

If I'm remembering right, that cover is a solo module they did where you play Red Sonja.
Ding ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!

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You can see it on the copyright text at the bottom of the meme picture, too.
 
Because she's got a dex of 24, is a 10th-14th level fighter loaded with combat feats, the correct feats to transfer that to bonuses to hit, a +3 bastard sword of keen, the chainmail bikini has no max dex bonus, AND has deflection+3 and Heavy Fortification.

Basically, she'll eat them for lunch.

In 1E/2E, she's going to hack them to pieces in 4 rounds.

Combat...feats? That gal might have a nonweapon proficiency or two...
 
With talks of sending US troops to the Ukraine, I was thinking. Wasn't that how Twilight 2000 started?
 
With talks of sending US troops to the Ukraine, I was thinking. Wasn't that how Twilight 2000 started?
...dunno, but now I'm curious to go digging through my old PDF's to see...
 
know anyone else with a printer? because there are some nice minotaur STLs around someone might be willing to print (they even show up on etsy etc, but usually not worth the price). there are also some smaller shop or private guys that offer print services, but they usually don't do much advertising so harder to find (and most of the time just offer a small selection of stuff they have a merchant's license for), but at the same time there might be someone local around willing to do it when you can deal with them directly.

otherwise you could check reaper or wizkids, but imo outside bones where you can get it cheap in bulk not really worth it - to the point if you buy enough might as well just buy a printer, which would also would fix the problem of "I need X amount of Y" long term, and then would give you the ability to sell stuff yourself.

https://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=minotaur&type=things&sort=relevant (free)
https://www.myminifactory.com/search/?query=minotaur
https://cults3d.com/en/search?only_safe=false&q=minotaur

late follow up on this:
I've seen printed minis and they aren't quite there quality wise. The resin printers aren't bad but I understand are sort of a bitch to operate if you're doing it infrequently. I also understand they have leveling issues. But mainly I don't have a ton of space for another appliance since I'm in between garages at the moment. I got a friend to print me off some barn yard pals ( since that's actually really hard to find minis for) and you can see the print lines. Which is fine, its a one-off.

Plus minus digging up a free STL, there's usually a $5-10+ fee for the file and if I'm just getting a one-off, that's almost the cost of a mini right there.

I ended up finding Gors for $28 and decided that was low enough and said fuck it; They're goat-like minotaurs. Accept it, you fucking racists.
 
late follow up on this:
I've seen printed minis and they aren't quite there quality wise. The resin printers aren't bad but I understand are sort of a bitch to operate if you're doing it infrequently. I also understand they have leveling issues. But mainly I don't have a ton of space for another appliance since I'm in between garages at the moment. I got a friend to print me off some barn yard pals ( since that's actually really hard to find minis for) and you can see the print lines. Which is fine, its a one-off.

Plus minus digging up a free STL, there's usually a $5-10+ fee for the file and if I'm just getting a one-off, that's almost the cost of a mini right there.

I ended up finding Gors for $28 and decided that was low enough and said fuck it; They're goat-like minotaurs. Accept it, you fucking racists.
quality is pretty damn close when dialed in properly - of course won't beat a cast or SLA print under a macro lens, but given most of us are oldfags and nerds with poor eyesight not many people will notice that anyway (even a 2k you can get for 100 bucks can do the jobs just fine churning out armies and monsters. heck some are happy doing it on fdm). if you don't print every day you just need to keep your resin out of UV light and properly stir before printing, then it's not much different from storing it in a bottle.
of course it also depends on the mini, "modern" minis have details out the ass, in part due to being designed on a computer and not sculpted by hand (for example compare modern GW to 20-30 years ago), but given the boom of selling digital minis there's usually someone covering every niche. just look at these two (couldn't fine a clean render for the second one):

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personally I prefer simpler models, but that also in part of me being lazy and them being easier to paint (castnplay and artisan guild for example, prolly one reason they rake in insane money each month).

granted process is still annoying with handling resin and shit (temperature etc), but that's also part of getting used to and also affects painting. right now what annoys me the most is the waste of supports the process requires, at least there's bio-resin you can (theoretically) just dump on the compost pile, but it's more expensive and not as widespread, which means a good third of the resin people use ends up in a landfill somewhere (not to mention the horde of retards who mishandle the resin in the first place and just dump it down the drain uncured, especially with MUH WATER WASHABLE). but with proper handling, it's not that big a deal imo with a properly set up wash/cure station etc; there's also inkjet printing which doesn't need supports, but that's still industrial grade and since it's proprietary most likely will never reach consumer level. for now best hope is to know someone working at a printfarm that's running a $200k+ mimaki color printer).

price for the minis itself in comparison is pretty much nil, especially if you know where to look. otherwise thingieverse is all free and has some ok-great sculpts if you need some, most patreons are around 10 bucks a month for around 12-15 minis, sometimes more and bigger ones too. where prices tend to be shit is trying to get those monthly releases for a sane price afterwards, they need to neck themselves asking SEVENTY bucks for the same release, which even with a "patreon reward" 50% off bonus is still over three times what it would cost otherwise (and that doesn't even include any loyalty reward anyway). the only ones I know of (granted I've only really checked the ones I'm interested in) who aren't complete asshats about it are again artisan guild: their monthly releases are $30-36 on MMF, which with half off is _acceptable_ imo. some patreons run 70% off sometimes (still overpriced since it's calculated of their overprice monthly release or worse FIFTEEN BUCKS FOR A SINGLE STL), and some don't go higher than 40%. fuck off with your FOMO (especially looking at you heroes infinite with your exclusive shit).

also it seems someone at AG has read your post, just noticed this one is next month's release:
 
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quality is pretty damn close when dialed in properly - of course won't beat a cast or SLA print under a macro lens, but given most of us are oldfags and nerds with poor eyesight not many people will notice that anyway (even a 2k you can get for 100 bucks can do the jobs just fine churning out armies and monsters. heck some are happy doing it on fdm). if you don't print every day you just need to keep your resin out of UV light and properly stir before printing, then it's not much different from storing it in a bottle.
of course it also depends on the mini, "modern" minis have details out the ass, in part due to being designed on a computer and not sculpted by hand (for example compare modern GW to 20-30 years ago), but given the boom of selling digital minis there's usually someone covering every niche. just look at these two (couldn't fine a clean render for the second one):

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personally I prefer simpler models, but that also in part of me being lazy and them being easier to paint (castnplay and artisan guild for example, prolly one reason they rake in insane money each month).

granted process is still annoying with handling resin and shit (temperature etc), but that's also part of getting used to and also affects painting. right now what annoys me the most is the waste of supports the process requires, at least there's bio-resin you can (theoretically) just dump on the compost pile, but it's more expensive and not as widespread, which means a good third of the resin people use ends up in a landfill somewhere (not to mention the horde of retards who mishandle the resin in the first place and just dump it down the drain uncured, especially with MUH WATER WASHABLE). but with proper handling, it's not that big a deal imo with a properly set up wash/cure station etc; there's also inkjet printing which doesn't need supports, but that's still industrial grade and since it's proprietary most likely will never reach consumer level. for now best hope is to know someone working at a printfarm that's running a $200k+ mimaki color printer).

price for the minis itself in comparison is pretty much nil, especially if you know where to look. otherwise thingieverse is all free and has some ok-great sculpts if you need some, most patreons are around 10 bucks a month for around 12-15 minis, sometimes more and bigger ones too. where prices tend to be shit is trying to get those monthly releases for a sane price afterwards, they need to neck themselves asking SEVENTY bucks for the same release, which even with a "patreon reward" 50% off bonus is still over three times what it would cost otherwise (and that doesn't even include any loyalty reward anyway). the only ones I know of (granted I've only really checked the ones I'm interested in) who aren't complete asshats about it are again artisan guild: their monthly releases are $30-36 on MMF, which with half off is _acceptable_ imo. some patreons run 70% off sometimes (still overpriced since it's calculated of their overprice monthly release or worse FIFTEEN BUCKS FOR A SINGLE STL), and some don't go higher than 40%. fuck off with your FOMO (especially looking at you heroes infinite with your exclusive shit).

also it seems someone at AG has read your post, just noticed this one is next month's release:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pS3iGuV5K2U

I think I'm just in the bad part of the bell curve to justify a printer. And I currently lack the time and space to git gud at printing.

I have all the D&D big-box boardgames, and did some kick starters, and I don't war game, so in general I'm set on minis. I just have an occasional gap that I can't or don't want to reskin. (i.e. I'm proxying wolves for the Gnoll's hyenas) and dropping the cash on something that's going to sit idle isn't a good value proposition for me right now vs. waiting and seeing if something better comes out.
I.e. printers keep getting incrementally better, and they've got ones now that will do multifiliment, so maybe in 5 years there will be a printer that will give me some basic-color minis with no painting, or maybe advancements in filiment will let me print them with no supports, etc.
Also, the Minotaurs are a definite oddity for me. Usually the only thing I'm mini-hunting for is a PC, and you definitely want something HQ for that. The Minotaurs would probably be alright getting printed since I doubt I'll get to painting them before they're needed.

My future needs for physical minis are also severely reduced: I don't warham, and I've moved to a lot of digital table top. To not get too deep into it, but I am unlikely to be doing any physical gaming for a while once my current campaign wraps up (in about 2-3 years, provided it doesn't implode). I still might do one-shot/megadungeons, but those I'd just build around my current collection. Everything else would be VTT.

I did learn a not exactly local LGS offers BYOSTL printing services - no idea on what they charge, and I might just leverage them in the future. But again, $5 for an STL plus maybe $5 for printing.....I'd be better off buying a cast mini, or even spending a futher extra couple bucks to get an Iron Winds metal one.
 
IIRC, the USSR invaded West Germany but the East German Army stayed home.

Oh boy you done done it now. Gentlemen, ready your :autistic: ratings.

Twilight 2000 came out in like 1985/86, and the average joe on the street was about as educated in long term geopolitics as was the fire hydrant he was standing next to and despite self aggrandizement and overestimation of IQ, that goes for tabletop gamers (and designers) as well. So the guys at GDW couldn't predict that in less than a decade, the USSR would be out of business and not much of a threat to anyone except hostage schoolchildren.

The writers of Twilight 2000 posited that China would continue to become more laze faire capitalistic through the 90s, and the USSR would stay open for business, and eventually the on-again/off-again tsundere relationship would come to a caustic boil. The Chinese in 1994 looked to Siberia and said "Gibs me dat" and the USSR said "fuck off", and suddenly brigade-level battles broke out, that morphed into divisional level combat, and that graduated into a full-scale war.

The USSR and China fought back and forth for most of a year, the Chinese had no tech but massive manpower reserves, the USSR had tech (comparatively) but (again, comparatively) no manpower reserves. So, in the name of International Socialism, the USSR started stripping WarPac nations of divisions to send into the meatgrinder that was the far east theater. The west was delighted: the two biggest communist countries in the world were on the verge of destroying one another. However, China had the raw manpower and the proximity to Pac Rim consumer goods manufacturing that the US and other allies started to do lend-lease to China to tip the balance.

The war ground on, with 100k troop casualties on both sides on a monthly basis, in battles over mere kms of terrain that made the Somme look like a Sunday tea outing. The USSR stripped out division after division, telling Bulgaria, Poland, Romania, etc. "Pay up, or else". The East Germans had no illusions about what was going to happen to their own kinder: in 1996 the E. German military petitioned the West German government to intervene. When the call-up went for East German troops, the krauts arrested all of the security battalions and held them in confinement in quarters, and the West Germans rolled in and sang "Reunited (and it feels so good)".

The Soviets now had a war on two fronts: the US, Canada, Belgium, the Netherlands, Turkey, and the UK and Spain (and IIRC Portugal) went all in on kicking the USSR when it was down. Italy, France and Greece immediately left NATO because this was an offensive action and NATO's purpose was ostensibly to protect against Soviet aggression, not invade Eastern Europe. NATO pulled out of those nations and continued the war.

A "Free Polish In Exile" government sprang up, and Poland became a confused mess, some Polish forces fighting for NATO, some viewing German troops invading Poland as being a wee bit too soon since the last time, so they backed the Soviets. With understrength Soviet divisions backing now understrength Warsaw Pact divisions, from 1996 onward the Pact suffered huge losses in Europe.

Finally, to the outside world, it looked like the USSR was in total retreat on both fronts. The Chinese mounted a huge pursuit offensive in the spring of that year, chasing phantom Pact divisions onto highways, railways, and plains...but it was a trap. The Soviets spent a large part of their nuclear arsenal just absolutely fucking deleting entire Chinese army groups, cities, ports, infrastructure, manufacturing. Counterforce, countervalue, it didn't matter, they shot nukes at it. Cities, army bases, whatever, if it had more than two Chinese people on it, it got hit.

The "fleeing" Pact divisions were sent in a rapid but orderly fashion into Europe and started kicking NATO ass. These guys were battle-hardened, well-equipped, and created from Category-A units that had survived in the Eastern theater for two years against the best the Chinese could throw at them.

Still, NATO had the initiative and momentum and despite the Soviets using more of their nukes on NATO railheads and ports along the Baltic coast, NATO rolled onward until fall of 1997. When NATO had troops in Latvia, Ukraine, etc., the USSR had had enough and used most of its remaining strategic stockpile hitting counterforce and counter-value targets in the CONUS, the day after Thanksgiving. This caught a lot of people on the highways, in between cities, etc., right at the start of a cold winter. The US retaliated and, the USSR's infrastructure being essentially a (poorly maintained) 1960s affair, it broke their back.

But the war ground onward anyway.

For the next couple of years, remnants of the US Navy conducted surface operations and mopped up the last Soviet surface and submarine forces. Remember Italy and Greece? They declared for the Pact, and closed the Med. to US Navy operations, ganging up on a large amount of reinforcements headed to the Balkans.

Not, mind you, that things were hunky-dory for the US. The attacks there had caused a rift. The death of a lot of congress, the President, and much of the immediate line of succession led the JCS to claim there was no legitimate government left, and a census would have to be conducted for new congressional reps to be elected, then once that was in place, a new national election of a President. The Military Government (MilGov) continued to try and support the dwindling armies fighting the Pact remnants around the world. The Civilian Government (CivGov) did the same...with units of the military that stayed loyal to them. There's a de-facto cold war in the US between these groups that sometimes goes hot.

MilGov, needing POL, mounted an invasion into Mexico with US troops. Division Cuba, including a few brigades of Soviet "advisors", counterinvaded the US southwest along with Mexican troops, and holds a lot of Arizona and New Mexico as well as Southern California. Soviet expeditionary forces hit Alaska, and all the way into Western Canada, although they are underequipped and very poorly supported by the remnants of their OWN government. It's still enough to keep both CivGov and MilGov off-balance, fighting on effectively two domestic fronts as well as multiple world fronts.

In Europe, CivGov is trying to force its way in to the USSR via the Balkans, while MilGov is still fighting a big show in Central Europe. By mid 1999, things have broken down into local fighting. There's some strategic and tactical air, but in Europe there's hardly zero fuel to fly. Tanks and other ground vehicles can run on alcohol, so those are still going. But you're more likely to find a "Tank division" that has two working M113s and everybody else on foot or horseback than not. In the Summer of 1999, MilGov and the remnants of NATO mount one final offensive in to Poland for three (well, three, and one secret) reasons: One, drive out/destroy the last Soviet forces there. Two, secure the Baltic coast for its fisheries and agriculture, three, secure shale oil production facilities there to get German industries up and running again. The fourth is...well, I've gone on enough about this as to the fourth.

During the offensive things get off to a good start, the Pact troops don't expect a thing. But the Soviets have an ace-in-the-hole: a prewar strength Tank division they throw in on the 3rd day. While most of it is destroyed, so is the entirety of the main NATO thrust centered around the US V Division, which consists of US, UK, Canadian, Free Polish, German and Belgian troops. The result is that NATO offensive capability in Poland is crippled. Soviet forces overrun US divisional command, and as they breach the defensive perimeter, the last thing the characters hear on the radio net from HQ is "Good luck, you're on your own." That starts the "Escape from Kalisz" module where the whole campaign can kick off from.
 
Fucking aye!

Just reading that reminded me of breaking open the box and reading all of it.

Gotta say one thing about those old games: It might be fucking wacko to read, but at least the cause and effect is there.

It's really a very good game. GDW tried to update the timeline to match the end of the cold war by having the 1992 coup actually succeed, and just move the timeline forward a few years, but honestly it fell flat. By 1991/92 people were heartily sick and tired of wondering if/when the missiles were going to fly, tanks were going to roll across the Fulda, etc., and so Twilight 2000 fell by the wayside. There was a 3rd edition that had a dumb, I mean really phenomenally dumb backstory. I am told there is a 4th edition by the company that made Tales from the Loop but I haven't looked at either of those games (new Twilight 2000 or tales from the loop) so I don't know if they kept the storyline for Twilight 2000, merged it with their own game, or what.

My copy is in storage, I want to go get it now and see if anyone from college I still know wants to play...of course I am moving south soon so probably not.
 
It's really a very good game. GDW tried to update the timeline to match the end of the cold war by having the 1992 coup actually succeed, and just move the timeline forward a few years, but honestly it fell flat. By 1991/92 people were heartily sick and tired of wondering if/when the missiles were going to fly, tanks were going to roll across the Fulda, etc., and so Twilight 2000 fell by the wayside. There was a 3rd edition that had a dumb, I mean really phenomenally dumb backstory. I am told there is a 4th edition by the company that made Tales from the Loop but I haven't looked at either of those games (new Twilight 2000 or tales from the loop) so I don't know if they kept the storyline for Twilight 2000, merged it with their own game, or what.

My copy is in storage, I want to go get it now and see if anyone from college I still know wants to play...of course I am moving south soon so probably not.
When we got tired of playing AD&D, we'd play T2K. It was kind of funny because we did the "why the fuck go home?" attitude.

One adventure we ran was the ASP at Meiningen West Germany never got the doors open, which was a complete power balance changer.

We played the shit out of that, Cyberpunk 2020, Shadowrun, and AD&D 1/2E.
 
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