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Suck the Cock said:
What legal leg does Nintendo have to stand on
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Copyright law
Suck the Cock said:
random organizers that have literally nothing to do with Nintendo
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The organizers are using a game and other IP which are owned by Nintendo or other companies. If the organizers went ahead and made their own platform fighter without using Nintendo's IP then Nintendo would be unable to do anything.
 
UNIXLover said:
Copyright law

The organizers are using a game and other IP which are owned by Nintendo or other companies. If the organizers went ahead and made their own platform fighter without using Nintendo's IP then Nintendo would be unable to do anything.
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Nintendo also has a reputation for strongly defending its properties to the point of going after its biggest fans and potential business partners.

Any hope of being surprised by this vanished in like... when did Nintendo sue Galoob (I think?) over Game Genie? Was that the late 80s or early 90s? My point is that this litigious reputation is likely older than many of the tourney's participants by a decade or two.
 
UNIXLover said:
Copyright law

The organizers are using a game and other IP which are owned by Nintendo or other companies. If the organizers went ahead and made their own platform fighter without using Nintendo's IP then Nintendo would be unable to do anything.
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Running a tournament has nothing to do with copyright law. Maybe there's some hidden level of advertising that crosses the line, having a banner with too many of the characters on it or something, but the closest any tournament comes to violating copyright is having a large crowd watching the gameplay, which is still less violating than streaming your matches on Twitch would be.

You think every LAN party has to get personal approval from each company for every single game that's played, to let people play their own video games in a somewhat more public space than usual? Because that's what a tournament is, all the players obviously have a copy of Melee of their own. Most of them bring their own controllers and CRTs because they're turbonerds like that. When's the last time you heard of any tournament having problems because the original copyright holder threw a fit? No, this is Nintendo trying to swing its dick around and control how its game is used in a world that's passed them by. Using vague laws and everyone's fear of being sued to try and control the narrative when they would lose any actual suit they tried to file. If they thought they could get away with just shutting these tournaments down entirely, they would, but they know they're more likely to scare people into not even looking at the law if they give them enough wiggle room.
 
Suck the Cock said:
Running a tournament has nothing to do with copyright law.
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Copyright law gives Nintendo control over how their game is used.

Perhaps an analogy to the movie industry would help. A movie theater cannot avoid paying proper licensing fees to get the needed licenses for movies by just holding "movie watching competitions" with a $20 entrance fee. Even if one of the participants happens to bring in a bluray of the movie.
Suck the Cock said:
When's the last time you heard of any tournament having problems because the original copyright holder threw a fit?
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Most other games have communities who already work with the publishers instead of being entirely grassroots.
 
UNIXLover said:
Most other games have communities who already work with the publishers instead of being entirely grassroots.
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and then any community that was grassroots were shrunken down to nothing because they've been declared bigoted by the corporate run communities, you cannot tell me with a straight face that a community that has an "official discord server" is any different than this shit
 
Man I'm pretty torn on the whole "guidelines" thing. On one hand, fuck Nintendo and their neurotic copyright bullshit, on the other, fuck the 40+ year old smelly groomers and creeps who won't let a 20 year old game (Ultimate is just fine, it's not Brawl, you fucking cry babies) just fucking die.

Melee isn't like DooM where the community keeps the game alive through new innovations and fresh levels every damn day. It's a stale game being played by autists who refuse to let go of their glory days of being good at a singular video game, that's base rules and content haven't changed in 20 years, and will never change. I get it "Melee has the best controls/speed", but for fuck sakes, move the fuck on already. It's as bad as being a fucking "gen wunner" with the Pokémon games.
 
Nick Gars said:
Melee isn't like DooM where the community keeps the game alive through new innovations and fresh levels every damn day. It's a stale game being played by autists who refuse to let go of their glory days of being good at a singular video game,
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So it's just like Doom then?
 
CptnSnshn said:
So it's just like Doom then?
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"New levels" and "new innovations" says otherwise. Doom's been around for 30 years and people are still finding new ways to work the engine and keep it fresh. There's a lot more to Doom, it's community isn't solely competitive like Melee's is, it's far more creative, and this also helps keep the game a timeless classic that finds news players constantly. That community is constantly finding new ways to get more out of the engine, improve the game, make new content, etc. It's a game that changes and evolves over time with its community and I would put money on it still having an active player base 20 years from now. There exists competitive aspects of the community, but rather than being the central focus, it's a component that works in tandem with the other aspects of the community instead of trying to be THE defining factor of it.

Melee is the same game it was 20 years ago, now narrowed down to a boring roster of a whopping 5 characters (technically 4, Fox and Falco are the same fucking character) and like 4 stages, and that's the entirety of the "game". Yes mods, more casual settings and shit like that exist, but they aren't the aspect of the game anyone actually cares about, all they care about is the competitive aspect, which has an alienating skill floor thanks to 20 year veteran turbo autists who don't want their personal sandbox to ever see any real innovation or change. 20 years from now, no one will give a shit about Melee and its autists will be too old and arthritis ridden to keep proping it up. The most that ever happens is some refinement to wavedashing or some other carpal tunnel inducing shit or one autist pulls a decent win with a low tier character every now and then, that's it. It's as stale as stale can be, and this is all on top of the fact Smash was never meant to be a tournament level fighter to begin with.


I'm sorry to go on a tism rant here, but they just aren't the same.
 
Nick Gars said:
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I feel a more apt comparison (especally since it was also made by Nintendo) would be Mario 64, as even though the game is the textbook definition of "good for it's time", there is still a community of people who are doing everything they can do to make the game's engine work as best they can possibly make it without compromising on the ability to run on an actual N64 (they are ROM Hacks after all) and making far bigger and more impressive levels that even a lot of the bigger named speedrunners of the game has played, meanwhile the biggest thing outside of the competitive scene for Melee was the online mod (for the Dolphin Emulator, not the game lol) that's only really touted as having better netcode than Nintendo games.
 
Nauseated Courgi said:
So, someone made this tweet:
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I figured I share a couple of responses it got:
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I gotta be honest.I am really surprised nobody make pedo jokes in that tweet chain because by god if I had a twitter account I'd be making them left & right till they reported me. "The only game smash players universally enjoy is smashing kids." "Smash Brawl is just pedos fighting to see who gets to touch the kids next." On a more serious note, I'm kinda at the point where smash should just be managed just like competitive pokemon tcg tournaments. I may not like pokemon but that's one thing I like about pokemon over magic is that they had background checks for their judges in the first place. Literally do that for smash players at this point.
 
Just watched that "the smash Brothers documentary" again and it reminded me how viscerally cringy this community is.

The documentary is especially bad in how it tries to paint these people as badasses.

You feel like you can smell the rooms and most of the people in the documentary.
 
calling video games a sport is retarded. every top smash player has the body of an avocado.

melee was fun back in the day and I see people have been modding characters and stages into it. but I guess there's some contention with playing modded shit through slippi because reasons. if you niggers hate nintendo so much then why obsess over the initial roster of the game?

I do not want to give any video game companies or tourney fags money.
 
Seymour Glass said:
calling video games a sport is retarded. every top smash player has the body of an avocado.

melee was fun back in the day and I see people have been modding characters and stages into it. but I guess there's some contention with playing modded shit through slippi because reasons. if you niggers hate nintendo so much then why obsess over the initial roster of the game?

I do not want to give any video game companies or tourney fags money.
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That's because the industry treats niche stuff such as video games as "serious business," which explains bullshit like identity leftist politics and stuff which is why they're trying to collect BlackRock money
 
Suck the Cock said:
Running a tournament has nothing to do with copyright law. Maybe there's some hidden level of advertising that crosses the line, having a banner with too many of the characters on it or something, but the closest any tournament comes to violating copyright is having a large crowd watching the gameplay, which is still less violating than streaming your matches on Twitch would be.

You think every LAN party has to get personal approval from each company for every single game that's played, to let people play their own video games in a somewhat more public space than usual? Because that's what a tournament is, all the players obviously have a copy of Melee of their own. Most of them bring their own controllers and CRTs because they're turbonerds like that. When's the last time you heard of any tournament having problems because the original copyright holder threw a fit? No, this is Nintendo trying to swing its dick around and control how its game is used in a world that's passed them by. Using vague laws and everyone's fear of being sued to try and control the narrative when they would lose any actual suit they tried to file. If they thought they could get away with just shutting these tournaments down entirely, they would, but they know they're more likely to scare people into not even looking at the law if they give them enough wiggle room.
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Valve just did the same thing this year. They banned CSGU/CS2 tournaments from having monetary support or potential collusions with teams. Copyright law does affect some level of competitive play even through LAN tournaments with theoretically 0 valve support/assistance as Valve owns the license. Nintendo is just expressing their right as the copyright holder.
 
JamusActimus said:
Smash is a party game because it's aimed at children and easy to play,understand and execute.
If street fighter is a seinen then smash is shonen.
You can also look at the default rule set for the game which is 3 stocks with time and items which is incredibly uncompetitive.

However by the sheer power of autism and ego manchilds managed to create a niche community. Some autists always want to be the very best so they try to contrive the game to make it competitive luckly for them the engine's quirks allowed for some complicated mouvement options and cancelable moves. The sheer will of autism can greatly change the way a game is played. Look at chess, when it was created you played with a dice and it emphasized short term tactical plays rather than long term strategy and gameplans. However the sheer obsession of some made it in what it is today.

Nintendo doesn't approve the smash scene because the game is just a party game for them. They will only use the scene to promote new games and even then they will force them to play on their terms.
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Prophetic post right here from years ago lol, especially that last bit. Same problems from years ago with predators and sex pests still going on today too... God damn.
 
Happy Thanksgiving
Looks like EE decided to have Dr Alan on his podcast and reveal some things such as how Dr Alan was using his mom to pay for employees during the SWT controversy and how Ludwig was the final nail in the coffin that killed Panda Global. Twitter, of course, reacted viscerally to EE for "platforming" and tried to do a bunch of fail doxxes and bring up old controversies to shame EE but the episode came out regardless and it's pretty enlightening.
 
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