Rowling Derangement Syndrome - "TERF/Woke Author Bad!!1"

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Sinner's Sandwich said:
Let's not pretend that Harry Potter isn't a knockoff.

Rowling didn't even invent the boy with glasses and magical powers who has a pet owl character - Neil Gaimann did that with Timothy Hunter in the Books of Magic DC comics. And neither did she invent magical schools (the Worst Witch, Wizards Hall, Earthsea, Unseen University...). Hell, the name Harry Potter apeared in a Monty Python sketch long before the HP books were written.

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Without these works Harry Potter wouldn't exist.
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Tranny argument, copying random setpieces and atomic design choices does not make it a knock-off
 
Jacknife said:
Tranny argument, copying random setpieces and atomic design choices does not make it a knock-off
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But Percy Jackson somehow is a knockoff then? The double standard is why I made the post in the first place. Percy Jackson gets called a knockoff here and no one bats an eye but god forbid someone mentions that Rowlings ideas aren't all original either.
 
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Sinner's Sandwich said:
But Percy Jackson somehow is a knockoff then? The double standard is why I made the post in the first place. Percy Jackson gets called a knockoff here and no one bats an eye but god forbid someone mentions that Rowlings ideas aren't all original either.
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You said your first language isn't English, so I think the problem here is a fundamental misunderstanding of what a knockoff is. Knockoff doesn't mean "not completely original," it means "cheap imitation of something popular."
 
Harry Potter at its core is just school stories with magic in. If you like Harry Potter, you should definitely have a read of some classic school stories. Charles Hamilton alone wrote at conservative estimate a hundred million words, most of them school stories.

Rowling clearly loves them.
 
Thank god Youtube transcripts because I wasn't about to watch two hours of this shit, even the 30 minute one is a little much. So to sum:

Sinner's Sandwich said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z7x7Gvgmzws
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Mad-Eye Moody = Scarred Veteran = but in a world with magic fixing, why isn't he perfectly cured???? Why doesn't he have a perfect magical eye instead??? Why isn't he boring basically
Lupin = Werewolf = Queer HIV Analogy (again)
Neville = ADHD = Ableism against awkward kids

But also, new ones I had not heard before
The Magic Hospital = Evil because people who go there are warehoused like a sanatorium, not cured. No magic wheelchairs, even thought the only people we see in there are those incapable of living on their own


Sinner's Sandwich said:
This is the second video about JKR's supposed "ableism". Here is the first:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oYgFHBXyVE4
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Squibs and Muggles = Disabled inferiors
Bloodlines with magic = Eugenics
Luna = Mocking Autistics
Werewolf = AIDS
Wizard Bloodlines = Eugenics
Mad-eye = bad because he's not perfectly normal

New ideas
Harry Himself = Doesn't show PTSD from his horrible life, which is also ableist somehow


This is the same stupid moralizing pattern recognition loop that all these tedious "media literacy" channels do:
Isolate a single aesthetic or narrative element (squib, eye, hospital) --> Abstract it from the story’s symbolic or functional context ---> Map it onto a modern political framework (ableism, eugenics, transphobia) ---> Condemn the author for not pre-emptively satisfying their standards ---> Collect views and clout from credulous idiots willing to sit through a 2 hour essay because they already hate JKR.

Ahistorical, entirely blind to symbolism or the concept that stories even have broader themes or narrative structure. There's no interest in how the work functions, the cohesive whole. Instad stories or art are just collections of tropes to pick apart to signify whether or not the work is pure enough for moral consumption. It is the absolute nadir of ways to engage with any work of fiction.
 
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Sinner's Sandwich said:
But Percy Jackson somehow is a knockoff then? The double standard is why I made the post in the first place. Percy Jackson gets called a knockoff here and no one bats an eye but god forbid someone mentions that Rowlings ideas aren't all original either.
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Come on, now, it's OK to like Percy Jackson, but let's not pretend that there is not a deliberate and obvious attempt to ape Harry Potter in the way the series is marketed, literally down to the font and styling of the logo, and even the naming conventions of the books themselves all being something like 'Percy Jackson and the...'
 
Mellow Malevolent said:
Ahistorical, entirely blind to symbolism or the concept that stories even have broader themes or narrative structure. There's no interest in how the work functions, the cohesive whole. Instad stories or art are just collections of tropes to pick apart to signify whether or not the work is pure enough for moral consumption. It is the absolute nadir of ways to engage with any work of fiction.
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And time was that they used to cite Harry Potter as a serious piece of literature which was a profound influence on their lives.

But instead of reading something else or more age appropriate, Even “A Song of Ice and Fire” would do, they still continue to try to impose a high minded intellectual standard onto Harry Potter.

And all because Harry wasn’t secretly trans or a metaphor for Trans experience.

There are several cases made that the Harry Potter story took place in Harry’s head as his reality was being severely mistreated by the Dursley’s.




I would enjoy it thoroughly if JK lent into this theory and said that Harry wound up growing to be trans after all, due to all of the abuse.
 
Gian-Luca Caluga said:
'Sorry' is one of the most powerful words of aggression we have. If your missus begins a sentence with 'Sorry, but I just think that...' then you are fucked. It's essentially a signifier meaning 'what I'm about to say is going to upset you, but I don't actually care.'

This is because us here on TERF Island hate confrontation, conversation, people being physically present etc., so we constantly use icy politeness to tell people how much we hate them without actually inviting a conversation about why.

It's awful.
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I’m sorry you feel that way.
 
I always thought harry potter was a good series of novel for children with the kind of worldbuilding a non-japanese woman would make and a set of mediocre to awful adaptattions that makes Berserk 1997 look like masterclass.
Mellow Malevolent said:
Rowling is also an ableist
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It's quite pathetic to look at people grasping for straw instead of just doing Occam's razor on this shit:
If JK Rowling didn't bothered to write down a magic system that makes sense and feel balanced, do you think she bothered to also think about all the wizarding world in the details?

But no, you cannot understand because Harry Potter was their childhood, it can't be nonsense and if you insult their favourite book series in a way they don't approve, you are an evil transphobic nazi.
FinnSven said:
But instead of reading something else or more age appropriate, Even “A Song of Ice and Fire” would do, they still continue to try to impose a high minded intellectual standard onto Harry Potter.
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They probably don't want to read something that was written by a man because they don't find it affirming enough.
If I were to suggest them something a woman did write and its both timeless, enjoyable and had both a choerent worldbuilding and a magic system, I'd be telling them that Fullmetal alchemist exists.
 
Strangolapreti said:
They probably don't want to read something that was written by a man because they don't find it affirming enough.
If I were to suggest them something a woman did write and its both timeless, enjoyable and had both a choerent worldbuilding and a magic system, I'd be telling them that Fullmetal alchemist exists.
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How do you know George R.R. Martin, is a man you transphobic bigot!
 
Shakira Flabbergasted said:
You said your first language isn't English, so I think the problem here is a fundamental misunderstanding of what a knockoff is. Knockoff doesn't mean "not completely original," it means "cheap imitation of something popular."
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I said some pages back about how Percy Jackson seemed like an obvious knockoff of HP due to the following:
☆Similar premise of boy with bad normal homelike discovering he has magical/supernatural heritage that allows him to escape his normal existence
☆ Goes to an institution (school/camp) with other similarly gifted children to learn how to harness their powers
☆ has two best friends, one boy one girl
☆ Big bad they must defeat through the Power of Friendship
But instead of Arthurian fantasy, it's Greek mythology. Not helped by the fact it was written less than ten years after the first Potter book broke out.
 
The whole "JKR plagiarized X" was already a thing when they books were still being released back in the mid 2000s. And we all concluded people just wanted some of the money she was making or were mad that she got that popular and were contrarian.

"JKR plagiarized Fred and George from Merryn and Pippin, reeeeee"

Authors take references from other works, sometimes subconsciously. Someone found a character called Cho Chang from a TV show I'm certain Jo never watched, yet, she exists as a character.
 
Mellow Malevolent said:
Instad stories or art are just collections of tropes to pick apart to signify whether or not the work is pure enough for moral consumption.
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This is what happens when social justice activists see characters as representation. Luna the character turns into a representation of autism (even tho she doesn't even have the tism) and since people treat her badly (because she is annoying) she is bad autistc representation and therefore ableist. And because it's ableist the author is a bad person.

And then the next social justice activist comes and claims another character is bad fat/poor/gay/etc. representation.

And then the next, and then the next.
 
AltisticRight said:
Literally the ONLY reason I started following HP again in adulthood was because of troons.
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FinnSven said:
But instead of reading something else or more age appropriate, Even “A Song of Ice and Fire” would do, they still continue to try to impose a high minded intellectual standard onto Harry Potter.
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This completely sums up how I feel about rds, prior to troons going berserk over Rowling I honestly had barely thought about the books since middle school and I wasn't into the movies, theme park, etc. I basically went from never thinking about it to seeing arguments over the most mundane of fandom bullshit.

In middle/high school I moved on to binge reading the more age appropriate Tamora Pierce and Madeleine L'Engle and I wouldn't really be hurt in the slightest to discover theirs ~problematic~ views because I'm now too busy just reading adult books.

Strangolapreti said:
If I were to suggest them something a woman did write and its both timeless, enjoyable and had both a choerent worldbuilding and a magic system, I'd be telling them that Fullmetal alchemist exists.
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Prior to the romantasy boom we had this, now women authors feel the need to shoehorn smut into everything to try and catch the audience that never matured past Twilight.
 
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