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Put America first: Support Ukraine​

Supporting Ukraine’s effort to defeat Russia is in the U.S. national interest. Unfortunately, recent comments by leading Republicans call into question whether the U.S. should continue to help Ukraine get what it needs to defeat Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In a response to a questionnaire from Tucker Carlson of Fox News, Republican Governor Ron DeSantis first referred to the war as “a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia,” noting that “checking the economic, cultural and military power of the Chinese Communist Party” is vital, but later walked back the comments regarding the Ukraine war. In his response to Carlson’s question on Ukraine, former President Donald Trump said that opposing Russia was not a vital national strategic interest for the U.S., although it is in the interest of the Europeans.

There are certainly Republicans who are in favor of helping Ukraine, and congressional funding of Biden administration requests for sending Ukraine aid reflects that. But the fault lines in sustaining funds for Ukraine are there. The administration and others must continue to address why U.S. support for Ukraine is the right policy.

The premise of those who call into question our support of Ukraine is that “American interests must come first.” The U.S. should remain steadfast in aiding the Ukrainians precisely because, in so doing, it is putting U.S. interests and values first. Regarding interests, if Putin defeats Ukraine, it would have a dramatic impact on U.S. national security, emboldening him to attack his neighbors at will and further strengthening Russia’s relations with China. This, in turn, would affect U.S. economic interests as well. Finally, Putin’s success would undermine support for democracy, human rights and personal liberty, which are fundamental U.S. values.

The Biden administration reinstituted a policy of working with our allies and friends in common cause through NATO, the European Union, other international organizations, and bilaterally. That was not the approach of the previous administration, and it undercut trust in the U.S. as a reliable partner. There is still some skepticism about whether the U.S. can be counted on over the long term. European political leaders wonder if the Biden administration is an interregnum or whether the Trump administration’s unilateral and often antagonistic attitude toward them was a passing phase.

That matters because, if allies and friends believe that U.S. support for essential national security policies such as assisting Ukraine will not be sustained, they could doubt the utility of maintaining a close working relationship with the U.S. Trump indicated he would consider pulling out of NATO, according to John Bolton, one of his national security advisers. NATO works because its members trust each other, and NATO amplifies U.S. military strength and reach.

Russia understands that violating the territorial integrity of a NATO nation means it will be confronted with the military capability of all its members. This has been integral to the U.S. and allied approach to supporting Ukraine. The idea that the U.S. might stop supporting Ukraine and leave NATO is right out of the Putin playbook.

DeSantis and others have said the administration should focus on confronting China, not on the war in Ukraine. Again, pulling back from Ukraine is not only what Putin wants; it is what Chinese leader Xi Jinping expects. Xi recently visited Putin in Moscow to underscore the special relationship without conditions between the two countries. China helps keep the Russian economy afloat by buying Russian oil, and there is concern that China will supply Russia with much-needed military equipment to support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

In addition, Xi is likely keeping a close watch on what the U.S. does with regard to helping Ukraine and what that might mean to his stated willingness to use military force against Taiwan as part of a reunification effort. If the U.S. pulls back from Ukraine, China will take this as a green light to help Russia and make a possible attack against Taiwan more likely.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine has had a profound economic impact globally. A recent United Nations report lays this out clearly: “The economic impact of the war is reverberating worldwide, contributing to inflationary pressures, and impeding the post-pandemic recovery. The war led to elevated energy prices and exacerbated food shortages in many regions. The repercussions of the conflict are being felt both in developed economies, especially in Europe, which has been confronted with skyrocketing energy prices, threats to its energy security, and inflow of the Ukrainian refugees, and in developing countries, especially those with high shares of grains in their food consumption basket.”

If the U.S. pulls back in its support for Ukraine, the conditions described in the UN report could worsen, and Russia and China will gain the upper hand in responding to the global economic crises that the Ukrainian invasion has created. An articleby scholars Liana Fix and Michael Kimmage points out that Russian success in Ukraine, which can be measured in various ways, would have profoundly negative economic consequences: “The United States and Europe will also be in a state of permanent economic war with Russia. The West will seek to enforce sweeping sanctions, which Russia is likely to parry with cyber-measures and energy blackmailing, given the economic asymmetries.”

The recent meeting between Putin and Xi in Moscow stressed the economic ties between their two nations, as the New York Times reported: “President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and China’s top leader, Xi Jinping, declared an enduring economic partnership on Tuesday, promising to bring more Russian energy to China and more Chinese companies to Russia as the two leaders sought to insulate their countries from Western sanctions and other consequences of the war in Ukraine.” If Ukraine is forced to agree to Russia’s terms on ending the war — made much more likely if there is a lack of support from the U.S. — the Xi-Putin economic axis would become more formidable. China would be buoyed to ignore Western sanctions and related economic efforts against itself and Russia.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued a warrant for Putin’s arrest for war crimes, including the kidnapping of Ukrainian children. His attack on Ukrainian civilians is another example of Russia’s war crimes. The Ukrainian people are victims of an unprovoked war they did not seek or incite. Putin has underscored the fact that he will do anything, including murder of women and children, as part of his strategy to subjugate the Ukrainian people. In addition, he and the Wagner Group, a militia fighting alongside the Russian military in Ukraine, are using Russian recruits as cannon fodder. Putin has shown disregard for the people he is supposed to represent. If the U.S. withdraws its support for Ukraine, Putin will prosecute his atrocities with impunity.

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Those in the U.S. who question the administration’s support for Ukraine because it’s not in America’s interest need to look at the facts: That simply is not true. If the U.S. pulls back, it not only helps Putin, who has shown he will do anything to prevail, but also helps Xi by confirming his belief that the U.S. has a feckless foreign policy and failing political system.

Putting America first is about understanding that helping Ukraine is unequivocally strengthening American interests and championing American values.
 
Attention all American Patriots:

The Ghost of Kyiv is in great danger, and he needs your help to wipe out all the russian orcs in Ukraine.
But to do this, he needs a bunch of tanks and a couple of fighter jets.
To help him, all he needs is your credit card number, the three digits on the back, and the expiration month and year.
But, you gotta be quick so that The Ghost of Kyiv can secure our democracy and achieve TOTAL... VATNIK... ANNIHILATION...
 
Then put down your iPhone and pick up a rifle. Fight your own damn wars, chickenhawks.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: leftists literally don't believe in unintended consequences. If anything unexpected happens as a result of their policies, it's someone else's fault for maliciously gaming the well-intentioned system they implemented.
You can't expect people to always do what they're supposed to, c'mon I figured this out in middle school, why can't an allegedly full grown adult person...
Then put down your iPhone and pick up a rifle. Fight your own damn wars, chickenhawks.
But I AM fighting the war. Every time I repost a meme or a hashtag, God kills a Russian.💙💛 🇺🇦
I think Ted Nugent actually said it best today
“I want my money back! I didn’t authorize any money to Ukraine for some homosexual weirdo!”
I find it deliciously ironic that people actually believe that homosexuality is widely celebrated in Ukraine. I always see these flags side by side I swear to God it's baffling 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦
Attention all American Patriots:

The Ghost of Kyiv is in great danger, and he needs your help to wipe out all the russian orcs in Ukraine.
But to do this, he needs a bunch of tanks and a couple of fighter jets.
To help him, all he needs is your credit card number, the three digits on the back, and the expiration month and year.
But, you gotta be quick so that The Ghost of Kyiv can secure our democracy and achieve TOTAL... VATNIK... ANNIHILATION...
Sadly, all the stolen credit card numbers I bought off the dark web are expired so I can't help financially. But would you accept a shipment of rainbow glitter, anal lube, and various types of dildos? We get a lot of leftover items from every corporate pride merch season.
 
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Supporting Ukraine is the exact opposite of putting America first. We aren't anywhere near Ukraine (or Russia for that matter).
nah, the ukraine war does serve the interests of america as a major player on the world stage
you could argue for isolationism, for a complete retreat from international affairs, but that would set the stage for pretty negative developments which would come back to bite america in the ass in a major and painful way in the not so distant future
 
nah, the ukraine war does serve the interests of america as a major player on the world stage
you could argue for isolationism, for a complete retreat from international affairs, but that would set the stage for pretty negative developments which would come back to bite america in the ass in a major and painful way in the not so distant future
Nobody cares. We already fucked ourselves harder than any foreign nation could ever hope to do outside of direct nuking/bombing. People say this shit acting as if we're still in our Cold War prime.

Nope. The decay has set in. All that realpolitik stuff and we ended up knocking ourselves out anyways.
 
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Defend your rights: get robbed by thieves


Hey, this is fun!
 
So you said patriotism and nationalism were bad, but you want us to use it now to support a foreign country? Go fuck yourself. I hope this is End of Empire for America and its hegemony dies. Fuck you.
 
If the U.S. pulls back, it not only helps Putin, who has shown he will do anything to prevail, but also helps Xi by confirming his belief that the U.S. has a feckless foreign policy and failing political system.
China doesn't need Ukraine to prove that when they have over 60 years of US foreign policy blunders and backstabs confirm it.
Regarding interests, if Putin defeats Ukraine, it would have a dramatic impact on U.S. national security, emboldening him to attack his neighbors at will and further strengthening Russia’s relations with China.
HOW?
This, in turn, would affect U.S. economic interests as well.
HOW?

Finally, Putin’s success would undermine support for democracy, human rights and personal liberty, which are fundamental U.S. values.
Non-American countries have the sovereign right to not support democracy as their citizens' will.

That matters because, if allies and friends believe that U.S. support for essential national security policies such as assisting Ukraine will not be sustained, they could doubt the utility of maintaining a close working relationship with the U.S. Trump indicated he would consider pulling out of NATO, according to John Bolton, one of his national security advisers. NATO works because its members trust each other, and NATO amplifies U.S. military strength and reach.
NATO is nothing but a subsidy to the Europeans and their welfare states.
The idea that the U.S. might stop supporting Ukraine and leave NATO is right out of the Putin playbook.
Really? Where can I get a copy of the 'Putin playbook'? Might make for a fun read.

Or, maybe Putin is to you what America is to Iran.
 
At this point Ukraine simping annoys me far more than Israel simping. Maybe because the pro Israel agents don't try to pretend Israel is some progressive vanguard and "look, they're teaching kids about diversity and lgbbq under fire!"

Though really, that's mostly because that wouldn't be a lie for Israel. Have you seen Tel Aviv's pride festival?
 
Nobody cares. We already fucked ourselves harder than any foreign nation could ever hope to do outside of direct nuking/bombing. People say this shit acting as if we're still in our Cold War prime.

Nope. The decay has set in. All that realpolitik stuff and we ended up knocking ourselves out anyways.
TBF, it's that we forgot how realpolitick worked rather than its application. An entire generation raised by soft people made it so the US starts stupid wars that get absolutely nothing instead of semi-intelligent ones where the US maintains sovereignty at the end of it.
 
It's how world powers naturally operate. If it wasn't the US, it would be another group of powerful individuals controlling another country doing the same, if not worse. If the US suddenly collapsed, the very people pulling the strings would just go somewhere else and do it again.
Pick your poison because there's no way out of it.
I know a way out but it's literally fedposting.
 
America first isolationism when
"isolationism" is a strawman term used by chickenshit armchair hawks to smear and discredit anyone who thinks that global empires are not good for people at home. What these people refer to as "isolationism" is actually just the radical idea that we should deal with other nations in trade and diplomacy instead of threats and violence, but what do those filthy isolationists know right???? It's not like this kind of policy is paying off for China right now

Actual isolationism involves protectionism and autarky, which sanctioning and embargoing entire nations seems to resemble infinitely more than anti-interventionism
 
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"You should give your money to Zelensky cause American Values or something

No i'm not a patriot and i have nothing but contempt for your backward values and beliefs

So yeah, this argument wouldn't work on me but maybe if i use it on you you'll do what i want"
 
So you said patriotism and nationalism were bad, but you want us to use it now to support a foreign country? Go fuck yourself. I hope this is End of Empire for America and its hegemony dies. Fuck you.
I'm at the point that I will gladly give up the global empire if it removes the entrenched, sham "Our Democracy™️" oligarchy with it and returns us to an actual representative republic.
 
Typical Glow Nigger. Manufacturing consent. Imagine you actually voted for Biden. Did you vote for this?

This is a non partisan issue. Every American should be pissed at this. 100 billion dollars. Imagine what could be done to fix the roads, homeless shelters, medical assistance. Nope, we gave it to the most corrupt country in Europe, for a proxy war.
 
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