Poll: Do you want sticker notifications back? - Not the score, just the notifications.

[Pierre D'Olnique]

Dear god, this thread is still going? Removing it was dumb and Null made a mistake but they are not coming back anytime soon so tough luck.

Yeah, I thought it'd die after Nöl said "nein". And it has eclipsed the furfag erp drama.

 

[DoNotFeedTheSneed]

Can we get this post to 20 scouters please

we did it reddit

 

[MadStan]

I've been using the forum per the Operators suggestion and it does indeed lead to a more controlled and targeted experience. I have to agree Null was right that the notifications were indeed sending me off into older threads and zip zapping around. Their removal has taken away some "reaction" posting from myself and I do like it better.

Vielen Dank, Herr Kommissar.

 

[JelloJerk]

The reaction score trained users to use the site wrong - to avoid posting. This is identical to the issue of the reaction notifications training users to use the site wrong - by clicking random notifications to navigate the site.

If the user experience favors (once again, let me save this to a fucking notepad or something) a completely arbitrary and random sequence of notifications about users liking any of your posts in any thread at any time regardless of what other events have transpired in that thread since you made that post, the design is broken. It is fundamentally fucking broken and it has encouraged people to use it wrong. If something is built to be used one way and people prefer clicking random fucking links flowing into your alert tray at complete random, then it is broken.

I think you're seeing this in a very black and white way. There is not just one exact way every user was using sticker notifications (and I don't know if anyone was really out here acting like Bossman and just logging into the site to click the pretty buttons). For me, I've always had everything enabled, Watched Threads, stickers, used bookmarks, etc. and I thought they complimented each other quite well as a reminder to check a thread and remember my place.

I have found that Watched Threads on their own are not as good. If I click the bell, and there's a bunch of them, but I only have time to read one, then I won't get anymore updates from the rest, and I might forget them. Stickers were a nice extra reminder. I guess the Watched Threads box is supposed to remedy this, but it would be more useful if there was a way to sort them rather than just showing the thread with the most recent activity at the top always. I would also prefer it if there was a way to move the watched thread box back to where it was or to remove it from there, but that's another thing entirely I guess.

I'm not trying to convince you to bring them back, I was just hoping to explain a little better the reasoning as to why some people said they used them for site navigation.

the only reason I don't disable them entirely because I loathe the SA habit of empty-quoting and 'agree' posts.

I was under the impression that you couldn't remove them entirely because of Xenforo limitations. Tbh I would prefer if they were gone completely. What's the point of clicking "I agree" if the other person can't see it? Like I know it sounds fucking stupid and the actual functionality is still there but logically, saying to a wall is just weird.

 

[PlasticOwls]

This is stupid. From the MATI faggots insisting on muh dopamine hits and how they are totally just pretending to be retarded and NOT owned when they get negrates. To the sticker spergs who keep rage crying to add shit back instead of leaving the thread and taking all of two seconds off their life to press an additional button so things don't get worse for them. To the homosexual pearl clutching people who insist on how they're the ubermensch "using the site properly" and would never make anything but the toppest quality content for everyone to admire (totally not dopamine-seeking behaviour btw!!!). And lastly, the people who have their lipstick smeared with Null's cum.

Of course, while thinking the other groups are the ones coming off like a bunch of gayniggers instead of doing some introspection.

Just use the reactions received page. At this point I use the site like I normally would but I just press one additional button instead. Also I remind the forum that it generally went from wanting more stickers like Political Sperging to wanting less stickers now. If this is the pinnacle of not knowing what you want I don't know what is.

See, I don't really get why you're this upset.

To be honest, not really sure why Null was this worked up about for days, either.

Poking into this thread is the most fun to be gotten on this site right now; it's a slow week.

 

[Oxyjen]

I'm not trying to convince you to bring them back, I was just hoping to explain a little better the reasoning as to why some people said they used them for site navigation.

I agree on the utility of the notifications, but I disagree that stickers should now go completely.
You can still tell someone you agree, or that they’re a retard, and they’ll still see it accumulate on their post while it’s visible on the most recent page (or the reactions page if they care enough to go there).
For people catching up with the thread later, they get to see what users thought of different comments at the time. Again it’s just a quick way of “reading the room”, or nodding in agreement. Many times it doesn’t feel appropriate to add a comment if the thread has moved on, and the stickers let you do that.

It’s a shame that the author now won’t see you doing that, but hell, why should anyone have a bit of enjoyment and community spirit, we should just be cold emotionless posting machines.

 

[Persian Carpet Salesman]

I agree on the usage of the notifications, but I disagree that stickers should now go completely.
You can still tell someone you agree, or that they’re a retard, and they’ll still see it accumulate on their post while it’s visible on the most recent page (or the reactions page if they care enough to go there).
For people catching up with the thread later, they get to see what users thought of different comments at the time. Again it’s just a quick way of “reading the room”, or nodding in agreement. Many times it doesn’t feel appropriate to add a comment if the thread has moved on, and the stickers let you do that.

It’s a shame that the author now won’t see you doing that, but hell, why should anyone have a bit of enjoyment and community spirit, we should just be cold emotionless posting machines.

If I use a sticker on a post it's to tell the person that I like the post without messing up the thread, it's not for the benefit of others and becomes rather pointless if the person who made the post doesn't know about it. I read every post on threads I look at and I'm not going to go down to the bottom of the post to look at the stickers to see if it's worth reading lol. I find that stickers are now kind of pointless.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

Null's autistic hissy fits are a force of nature.

Change sucks. Site still works. Watch threads is a godsend, use it.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

After reading some more of this thread it seems clear cut that:

THe majority of people who hated reaction notifications are low-impulse posters. They prefer fewer notifications and prefer to click more to find what they want to see. Which is odd because reaction notifications could be turned off before.

The majority of people who want the notifications back, were posters who used the notifications as a feedback loop to create better content, or use is a quick bookmark to threads they had posted in (this is why I liked them).

All talk of dopamine is reddit-level gay. The posters who use dopamine as an excuse to why the notifications should be turned off are reddit posters who are wanting to keep out other reddit posters.

TL;DR - good posters used reaction notifications in a positive way. Bad, reddit-tier faggot posters who don't like a mirror held up to their low-impulse, shit-tier updoot posts.

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All of that said, is there a reason why the sign-up date is now hidden?
If I was a tinfoil hat wearing maniac, I would see the lack of sticker notifications, the protection of the reddit-tier posters and removal of a sign-up date, are all used to encourage reddit-posters to sign up for the farms.

Many years ago, I sent an email to Null about how his mod staff had been comprimised by power-tripping mods that were looking to take down the site from the inside. Not long after a purge took place.

I think Null is looking to offload the site to another owner but needs to keep the balance between saying nigger and faggot, while increasing the user base and boosting the public image.

 

[RACISM]

I think Null is looking to offload the site to another owner but needs to keep the balance between saying nigger and faggot, while increasing the user base and boosting the public image.

10 years ago those reddit posters would go to 4chan and "ironically" write nigger and faggot, because it was "board culture" and never admit to it anywhere else. They will fit in fine just here.

 

[George Lucas]

I think this change makes the forum worse and I hope Null fixes it.

 

[Tsukasa Kadoya]

After reading some more of this thread it seems clear cut that:

THe majority of people who hated reaction notifications are low-impulse posters. They prefer fewer notifications and prefer to click more to find what they want to see. Which is odd because reaction notifications could be turned off before.

The majority of people who want the notifications back, were posters who used the notifications as a feedback loop to create better content, or use is a quick bookmark to threads they had posted in (this is why I liked them).

All talk of dopamine is reddit-level gay. The posters who use dopamine as an excuse to why the notifications should be turned off are reddit posters who are wanting to keep out other reddit posters.

TL;DR - good posters used reaction notifications in a positive way. Bad, reddit-tier faggot posters who don't like a mirror held up to their low-impulse, shit-tier updoot posts.

_____________________________________________________________________________

All of that said, is there a reason why the sign-up date is now hidden?
If I was a tinfoil hat wearing maniac, I would see the lack of sticker notifications, the protection of the reddit-tier posters and removal of a sign-up date, are all used to encourage reddit-posters to sign up for the farms.

Many years ago, I sent an email to Null about how his mod staff had been comprimised by power-tripping mods that were looking to take down the site from the inside. Not long after a purge took place.

I think Null is looking to offload the site to another owner but needs to keep the balance between saying nigger and faggot, while increasing the user base and boosting the public image.

Literally anyone he sells the site to will data mine the users and their comments to then be handed off to the varying government agencies. "I got control of the site and doxed all the evil nazi transphobes! Please give me internet brownie points!"
As much as Null hates us and abuses us, he is the only person keeping this site from being seized by the glowies.

 

[Oxyjen]

I think Null is looking to offload the site to another owner but needs to keep the balance between saying nigger and faggot, while increasing the user base and boosting the public image.

Boosting the public image could certainly be part of what’s going on - I don’t see how taking scores and notifications away plays into that, but as a general point I do think KF is trying to become more civilized and shake off its boogeyman image.

And there are signs that’s working - case in point I just accidentally discovered (in the tranch thread) that KF links are now the top results on Google, if you search for tenacious unicorn ranch.

Is he looking to unload it… who knows. It could well be part of the move plan though. He’ll have to lay out a lot more money to just exist in the US, never mind support a family. That means getting a real job and/or a lump sum. Or be allowed to accept card payments for subs.

 

[Seventh Star]

I'm more mildly annoyed because this is a 180 from adding the political sperging sticker back in 2021 to keep /pol/tards away from the site. Its schizoid ass social engineering where no one can decide whether stickers are good for enforcing site culture or they are making the reddit almonds activate. If anything if you want to pretend redditors are going to invade the site just top hatting them will get them to leave if it works like that.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Boosting the public image could certainly be part of what’s going on - I don’t see how taking scores and notifications away plays into that, but as a general point I do think KF is trying to become more civilized and shake off its boogeyman image.

He's removed neg-rating. Posts can't be neg rated because the ratings have no score.
He's removed a join date so newcomers who have dumb opinions won't be scared away by accusations of being a newfag or by mass neg-ratings.
Saying whatever you want in a thread is now fire-and-forget; there's no repercussions for driveby shitposting.

How any of that is supposed to increase user engagement is beyond me. The "hurr durr just click two menus to see your reaction score" has the same energy of banning plastic bags to save the environment, then bringing them back and charging money to buy one.
Either it's good and we use it or it's bad and the option, including stickers, should be removed completely.

Doing both half-arsedly is beyond autism.

There is another explanation and that's that null has some high-class pussy riding him everyday telling him to change the forum.

FWIW Null can do whatever he wants with his website, it's just a goddamned shame when owners fuck themselves over by not listening to the feedback. We've all seen good websites we enjoy posting on, get shut-down or disappear up its own arsehole. Many such cases.

 

[eatler]

Oh hey the sites super slow for me anyone else getting this?

 

[Teghern]

He's removed neg-rating. Posts can't be neg rated because the ratings have no score.
He's removed a join date so newcomers who have dumb opinions won't be scared away by accusations of being a newfag or by mass neg-ratings.
Saying whatever you want in a thread is now fire-and-forget; there's no repercussions for driveby shitposting.

The formerly privileged caste of venerable elder users and reaction score brahmins have had their sacrosanctcy taken from them and resent this, the only consequence of the changes is the seething provoked.
Mechanically nothing is different you just don't like it that your magic mana points are gone and you know this but have the IQ to know how petty it looks and so are coming up with nonsense to make it make sense.

 

[SIGSEGV]

The notifications were annoying and I turned them off within like two weeks of making my account because they served no purpose other than to clog up my alerts with inane bullshit.

 

[Seventh Star]

Oh hey the sites super slow for me anyone else getting this?

I will say that one good thing to come out of this is that the site has been fast. That's as much consolation as removing posting altogether and saying things improved because the site is super fast now, but I'll take not being stuck for 2 minutes trying to post in a thread. So no, I don't know why it's slow for you.

 

[Abbadon's Gate]

Mechanically nothing is different you just don't like it that your magic mana points are gone and you know this but have the IQ to know how petty it looks and so are coming up with nonsense to make it make sense.

POV you give a shit about stickers