Plummeting Birthrates Watch Thread - The horrifying implications of living in a Children of Men situation.

[Agares]

It's true the social pressure is still there but you said it yourself that it's delayed and weakened. Which isn't something I entirely begrudge because the Prime issue is the economics of the whole deal. We're asking the youth of the country to live in ghettos if they want kids.

And anyone with a lick of common sense will say "fuck no, that's not worth it". The powers that be fucked around and now they're finding out.

 

[The Ugly One]

there are plenty of people who don't want kids that aren't whores/manwhores or childish themselves. They just realize that they're not cut out for parenthood in this world.

I have yet to encounter any "childless by choice" types who have anything other than a childish outlook on life.

There's barely any social pressure not to have kids

This is false. There is enormous social pressure on young people, especially women, to not get married or have kids during their twenties, the time of life when their bodies are most suited to it. You're reinforcing this messaging when you claim women were desperately miserable back when they had families.

 

[Agares]

I have yet to encounter any "childless by choice" types who have anything other than a childish outlook on life.

I get it, you only see the world in black and white. Anyone who doesn't want kids is literally soyjak, etc. People like you are a dime a dozen these days.

Meanwhile a lot of the childless by choice people I've encountered were some of the most self aware people I've ever met. Not everyone is cut out for parenthood. Some people, for example, have hereditary mental illnesses that they don't want to pass on. Others realize that they aren't mentally cut out to take care of a tiny human who's totally dependent on them for almost 2 decades. That's not "selfish" at all, it's called being realistic. Having a baby doesn't magically turn someone into this ideal image of a responsible adult. It never has and it never will.

This is false. There is enormous social pressure on young people, especially women, to not get married or have kids during their twenties, the time of life when their bodies are most suited to it. You're reinforcing this messaging when you claim women were desperately miserable back when they had families.

Because most non-rich women in their 20s aren't in a good financial situation to have kids. And yes, barely making ends meet and having to raise a bunch of screaming kids is a miserable existence. Maybe if there were enough decent jobs for us men to go around, people would be more open to raising kids in their 20's again, but there clearly aren't. Wages haven't kept up with the cost of living.

 

[geckogoy]

And anyone with a lick of common sense will say "fuck no, that's not worth it". The powers that be fucked around and now they're finding out.

>deliberately being wiped out by kike propaganda program executed over generations

>it works, nobody is married

>haha fafo

Because most non-rich women in their 20s aren't in a good financial situation to have kids.

And yet income and number of children is still somewhat reverse correlated, as it has been through all of history.

 

[Agares]

>deliberately being wiped out by kike propaganda program executed over generations

>it works, nobody is married

>haha fafo


And yet income and number of children is still somewhat reverse correlated, as it has been through all of history.

So what's your solution then? Make everyone broke and desperate so your state has an infinite supply of cannon fodder?

Also if only whites and East Asians are being "targeted" as you say, then why is fertility dropping in places like India and Botswana too?

 

[geckogoy]

So what's your solution then? Make everyone broke and desperate so your state has an infinite supply of cannon fodder?

Not really but that would probably be preferable to extinction

Also if only whites and East Asians are being "targeted" as you say, then why is fertility dropping in places like India and Botswana too?

They are effected less, massively so. Hence, it is targeted.

I get it, you only see the world in black and white. Anyone who doesn't want kids is literally soyjak, etc. Meanwhile a lot of the childless by choice people I've encountered were some of the most self aware people I've ever met.

I didn't read this bit earlier, but saying they are the most heckin chungus wholesome selfawaremaxxers ever is possibly the most soyjak way to ever describe someone.

Doomed to perish from the earth as a phenotype, but hey at least they are self aware, gottem.

 

[galah]

Meanwhile a lot of the childless by choice people I've encountered were some of the most self aware people I've ever met. Not everyone is cut out for parenthood.

lol how can you claim in one breath that there's no social pressure not to have kids and then go and frame it like this? "We've just got to let young people figure out if parenthood is for them. That said, all the smart 20-somethings I know are choosing not to"

Edit: somewhat ninja'd by geckogoy

 

[Fascist Kirk]

We can't even import enough Ukrainians Ethiopians Mexicans and gooks to fudge the numbers any more? Bidenomics is great!

 

[Agares]

I didn't read this bit earlier, but saying they are the most heckin chungus wholesome selfawaremaxxers ever is possibly the most soyjak way to ever describe someone.

Doomed to perish from the earth as a phenotype, but hey at least they are self aware, gottem.

"How dare anyone have any introspection and self reflect on their own flaws!"
You know, for all your third world hate, the society you want to create is literally theirs, but white. Stagnant, miserable, no intellectual curiosity at all. You want to become the very thing you fear, but with a different coat of paint.

Inb4 "you heckin' love soyence XDDDD".
Just because the west's intelligentsia follows a self destructive ideology doesn't mean we should throw out all intellectual pursuits and advancements. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

You /pol/tard tradcons crack me up. The world has changed and playing by the old rules will get you nowhere.

lol how can you claim in one breath that there's no social pressure not to have kids and then go and frame it like this? "We've just got to let young people figure out if parenthood is for them. That said, all the smart 20-somethings I know are choosing not to"

Edit: somewhat ninja'd by geckogoy

I never said "all of them", just the ones who weren't having kids by choice. I have also known people in their late 20's/early 30's who had kids when they were financially ready and you know what? They're great parents.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

So what's your solution then? Make everyone broke and desperate so your state has an infinite supply of cannon fodder?

Also if only whites and East Asians are being "targeted" as you say, then why is fertility dropping in places like India and Botswana too?

i am just going to add this stat for shit and giggles

Iran tfr-1.8
India - 2
Latin America & Caribbean
2021
1.9

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?locations=ZJ

if you go see the world map with tfr below replacement is basically the whole world besides africa and middle east thats it I follow this account on updates about demographics around the world , shit is grim everywhere. We are simple too many and we are reaching rat utopia point .

https://twitter.com/Aaronal16

 

[Agares]

i am just going to add this stat for shit and giggles

Iran tfr-1.8
India - 2
Latin America & Caribbean
2021
1.9

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?locations=ZJ

if you go see the world map with tfr below replacement is basically the whole world besides africa and middle east thats it I follow this account on updates about demographics around the world , shit is grim everywhere. We are simple too many and we are reaching rat utopia point .

https://twitter.com/Aaronal16

Latin America didn't surprise me too much, but IRAN? Crazy how not even fundamentalist countries are safe from falling fertility.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Latin America didn't surprise me too much, but IRAN? Crazy how not even fundamentalist countries are safe from falling fertility.

BOTH north korea and iran BEG their populance to have kids, iran has let in almost million afgani niggers to work in their agri low level jobs. Irans official statistics are 1,8 but considering the constant screeching about kids i would say is at least 1.6 or lower .

No amount of woman beating will help if your women all go to colleges btw and families have the final say in marriage, plenty of families refuse to marry their daughters for someone they perceive low class . You have no idea how much conservative culture kills marriage and kids. Its similar in my home country marriages and relationships ruined due to family meddling and disapproval.

I have seen women way above me in class and education ending up unmarried due to MIL ruining engagements over the petties shit or people meddling in the relationships with rumours and trashtalk.

Once the two kids becomes the standard and there is serious pressure to have no more than 3 kids in conservative culture the birth rate plummets lower and faster . South korea has the lowest out of wedlock births and yet their TFR is near zero same with china. All of these cultures and family oriented in term of filial piety and caring for your aging parents you would think people would have more kids and more marriage. Yet its the reverse happening.

 

[LillWeeb]

Latin America didn't surprise me too much, but IRAN? Crazy how not even fundamentalist countries are safe from falling fertility.

Outside of the ayatollah, and the revolutionary guard , some rural regions a lot of Iran society is very liberal especially younger people born after 1999 or so. A LOT of young people in Iran and the middle east, especially women are even woke.

 

[cybertoaster]

the end result is the same. It doesn't work.

I know, even wikipedia admits it.

That I didn't know.

The whole "3rd world women are trad" thing is a meme that gets spread around by people who have never even gone overseas, or even down to mexico. American cultural influence is too high and thanks to the internet it spreads faster than ever before, and the turbo feminism of the last 15 years has reached everywhere, the middle class women of the 3rd world all look up to these ideas, and you don't want to date a woman from a favela.

Though oddly enough, the so called Passport Bros, advise if you marry a foreign woman, don't bring her to the west.

So what? you stay over there living in an african shithole making shithole wages? come on now, and besides like I said she already has access to feminist propaganda over there. On the other hand many latinas in places like Miami are way more trad-oriented than latinas in LATAM countries because many of those countries have far-left governments where even mildly right-wing opinions are doubleplus bad, and many latino expats in Florida escaped those governments so they are very anti-left.

Point is, if she's not a feminist back home she's not going to magically turn when she arrives here. However that does not mean she's not, again, marrying you for a greencard and is going to dump your ass and take half your money once she gets it.

 

[Agares]

Outside of the ayatollah, and the revolutionary guard , some rural regions a lot of Iran society is very liberal especially younger people born after 1999 or so. A LOT of young people in Iran and the middle east, especially women are even woke.

It's almost like not even totalitarianism and religious police can artificially raise fertility.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Prove it.

Okay. Here you go.

Just a reminder of the groups of people that will dominate for the rest of the 21st century.
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[The Tall Man]

The GDP demands more meat.

 

[JackoVerde]

Russia and ukraine could be interesting
if there’s no post war baby boom after all the casualties. what will they have to do?
another problem is the skewed ratio of men to women with still no births.
i guess import other Eastern Europeans For work.

 

[cybertoaster]

And yes, barely making ends meet and having to raise a bunch of screaming kids is a miserable existence.

It was never easy, even childhood itself used to be sad if not even barbaric for current standards. People didn't just have many kids in case some died (which they did) but also to use them as free labor. Child labor only became illegal in the west a century ago or so, still legal in many other parts of the planet. For all the images of idyllic life of old the reality is that back then life for most people was a constant struggle with some bright spots that gave them hope, and that's it. Same reason they were so religious, they just couldn't afford the mental anguish of thinking that maybe that was all there is and there's no deliverance from the suffering at the end.

>haha fafo

I mean, they are finding out, guys like musk are saying what most of the overclass is thinking, the system will collapse if the birth numbers don't at least stabilize.

 

[Spud]

Also if only whites and East Asians are being "targeted" as you say, then why is fertility dropping in places like India and Botswana too?

You're asking this as if its a bad thing.