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What are your expectations for the EU5 release?


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Lmao, Ukraine is a corrupt shithole which it's literal western half was polish, hungarian and romanian in the 1930s and annexed by stalin afterwards, and it's eastern half was a russian imperial colonial settlement with germans, jews and russians in the 1700s, Kiev was one of the main nucleous of russian national identity in the 1300s, crimea was russian administered until ukraine born khruschev gave it to the ukranian ssr in the 1950s.
Just because if America collapsed in the 1990s and virginia suddenly became a country, it wouldn't mean it actually it is de facto, and if trump wanted to re-annex it, why the fuck europe and britain would need to go bankrupt to save it?
It's baffling to a outsider seeing europe commiting economical suicide to prop up a jewish led country which has to use neo-nazi impressed militia to defend itself from a war it basically provoked when their democratically (although very corrupt) elected pro-russian goverment was ousted in a coup with cia support and started banning russian languages and shooting up and burning up people who spoke out against it.

A country which unlike russia or the baltics or even poland, refused to democratize, reform it's economy from soviet industrial parks owned by oligarchs, refused to reform it's judiciary and probably federalize to avoid minorities in the west and east and in crimea from chimping out, a country which tried to play both sides (Russkies and europe) at the same time.
A country which was so corrupt and unstable, both NATO and Russia in 1993 basically intervened and forced them into giving their nuclear weapons at basically gunpoint with vague promises of "we might help you and recognize your sovereignty in the future".

I don't care about Ukraine and neither should have you cared about it or poland in the 1930s, the price of risking nuclear war or economic collapse, because your green party led coalitions banned nuclear power whilst designed your entire post 1991 energy supply on russia and their client state of azerbaijan almost exclusively is not worth it saving a corrupt tiny state which it's main exports before 2014 was CP and truck drivers and oligarchs who bought soccer teams.
Same shit for Poland, going for Poland in 1939 ended up with it and half of europe being under the bootheel of communist totalitarians for 50 years, a complete collapse of the french and british economies and their empires and subsquent subservience to US interests

Too bad if you're a ukranian i guess, or a polack in 1939, but again, you were led or are being led by retarded leaders who think your newly minted nation can take on their largest dictatorial army neighbors and win or even survive.
If europe said fuck off lol to ukraine in 2022, or threatened putin with nuclear warheads immediately after the start of the war, it would had ended by march 2022 and far less people would be dead in both sides and ukrainian men wouldn't be extinct with their women in dubain or paris and half their country wouldn't be riddled with fiber optic cables and bomb craters.
 
What happens is that you set your Urban Areas buildings to use a production method for lighting, which provides the Services Good to the local market. Wood, Gas and Electric streetlights are just different mutually exclusive options to pick from.

I got the example wrong I'm sorry but V3 does have goods substitution, if i understand this right
 
Is EU V any good currently? What little I've read since launch paints a grim picture. I seethed and dropped it after repeated crashes during the twentieth phase of the hundred years war. Felt like it was taking a really long time to actually get into the period I was looking for and the hundred years war was gay. I don't care about France and if the French holdings weren't half of my income then I'd just give them up on the first day. Uniting the crowns feels like it'd be winning the game before 1500. There's no chance a paradox AI could ever meaningfully challenge a united England and France. Are pike and shot enjoyers doomed to play the same two WDS games for the rest of time?
 
Is EU V any good currently? What little I've read since launch paints a grim picture. I seethed and dropped it after repeated crashes during the twentieth phase of the hundred years war. Felt like it was taking a really long time to actually get into the period I was looking for and the hundred years war was gay. I don't care about France and if the French holdings weren't half of my income then I'd just give them up on the first day. Uniting the crowns feels like it'd be winning the game before 1500. There's no chance a paradox AI could ever meaningfully challenge a united England and France. Are pike and shot enjoyers doomed to play the same two WDS games for the rest of time?
Short answer, no. Not yet, imo anyway.

They been slowly fixing their shit (so 1.2 is actually a marked improvement over 1.0 in terms of shit actually working as intended), but they repeatedly stepped onto rakes of their own making because of various issues that cropped up from their overzealous balancing. The latest shitpile you have to deal with now is ahistorically low population growth that stemmed from them making diseases deadlier but not adjusting pop growth to compensate.
 
What DLC's are interesting for Stellaris? There seems to be a billion of them now, and some friends are wanting to play a campaign together. Last time I played you still picked your FTL method for your race, but it seems like that and planet management got totally overhauled.
 
but they repeatedly stepped onto rakes of their own making because of various issues that cropped up from their overzealous balancing.

That's the only real bitch I have too. Mechanically the game is great, but Johan needs to stop being a faggot and balancing the game for multiplayer when almost nobody plays PDX games for that. I shouldn't have the population being pissed for lack of coffee when nobody should know it exists, I shouldn't have the entire HRE declare me a mortal enemy because I took a province or two, I shouldn't be in danger of losing PU seniority because I don't have a navy because I have no use for one.
 
EU4 had same problem. If you don't play meme tag (some random ugabuga tribe on island in middle of nowhere ) you would usually win the game after 100-150 years
If they can get the AI to develop itself semi-competently and give the occasional black death/religious civil war/ruled by a lupus retard crisis that rapes you, it could alleviate that a bit. I remember seeing a lot of complaints on launch about the crisis events, so I'm expecting that they'll be gaslit by youtubers into making the game easier. The start date was a mistake. I want the Dutch revolt and I want it now.

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Just looked at the store page and saw they released a Byzantine DLC. It's over.
 
The start date was a mistake.
Disagree heavily. 1337 was a far more interesting start date because it was a period when things all around the world were on the precipice and the start of the transition to the Early Modern period. In 1444, most of the circumstances by then had begun to become inevitable due to inertia, the Ottomans WERE going to conquer the Byzantines and take over the Balkans, France WON the Hundred Years' War, the Ming HAD won and would be stable for centuries to come, the Timurid Empire WAS imminently collapsing, the Delhi Sultanate WAS dead in the water, the Aztecs HAD conquered the valley of Mexico, Poland HAD won the conflict it had with the Teutons and WOULD unite with the Lithuanians, the Haspburgs WERE going to take over Hungary. The Germans HAD lost the Ghibellines and Guelphs wars. The only iconic states of that era that don't feel inevitable are the "Inca Empire", Mamluks, and Mughals, because it was still the piddly Kingdom of Qosqo, still very healthy and powerful militarily, and a circumstance of an adventurous prince, respectively.
 
In 1444, most of the circumstances by then had begun to become inevitable due to inertia
Those circumstances ushered in two centuries of war and politicking that depopulated entire regions. My initial England run ended with me about to win the HYW, when I gave up due to crashes and frequent patches changing things. I was debating whether or not to finish France off or sell/give continental possessions back. The HYW would restart the same year the truce was up and almost every phase played out the same. Eventually my gobbling up of their territory outpaced France's ability to centralize their vassals and every subsequent war was one-sided. In a century I'd basically put myself in a position where the snowball was unstoppable. I don't know if this is the case now, but at release the AI was pretty stagnant. Most of the map looked the same as game start and there was no powerful rival empire rising up to face me. The snowball effect is a problem in every GSG, but I was especially disappointed that my game felt like it could essentially be solved by the time I was getting to the period I bought the game for. I put a lot of time into it too. Because of the frequent wars I was constantly having to drop speed. All of this is based off of the game at release, so maybe it's changed. I'd pay 9.99 for a 1492 start date. I wouldn't even creamapi it. It's far enough along to be worthwhile and is on the eve of a series of massive wars that would pull in most of the European powers, then you have the discovery of the New World and the potential to start colonizing. Most importantly, the Netherlands are under Habsburg control. One of the most contentious aspects of the dev diaries was the new start date. I'd rather them milk this in classic Paradox fashion then have to put 160 years into the game to get to a 1500 that won't even have a quarter of the political situations that were actually going on.

Edit: Apparently new start dates were announced two weeks ago (no specific dates)
 
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Those circumstances ushered in two centuries of war and politicking that depopulated entire regions.
My point is that I would rather have the gameplay decide the shape of the world from the start-date rather than it being pretty much the same every time. I have never played a single EU4 game where the pistachio blob in the Balkans didn't expand like crazy unless you went out of your way to gimp them early on. But the Ottomans can fail by gameplay alone in EU5, which I really appreciate. I have seen Karaman win the Rise of the Turks scenario before, which would be a simple impossibility compared to EU4's overdetermined world.
 
gameplay decide the shape of the world from the start-date
There's still hundreds of years after 1444 for that to happen. You're going to have a date of deviation from IRL history and what you want it to be is going to depend a lot on which time period you're interested in. For me, obviously, it's early colonial and the wars of religion. I almost entirely play in Europe too. A lot of people playing CK want to play in the high medieval age. The Charlemagne start was so unpopular partially because of how uncommon it was to get a Europe that even remotely resembles ours by the time 1066 rolled around. It's a shame I never liked EU IV, so it's not like I can just go back to that. I put some time into MEIOU and Taxes, which was good, but it's clear that the modders were making the game do things it was not designed to do. They were sticking systems onto the game with tacks. I also played the pops mod on CK III but I think that's dead.
 
There's still hundreds of years after 1444 for that to happen.
But it DOESN'T is my problem, either due to gameplay or the fact that they are just factually too powerful, EU4 tends to end up looking the same in every single playthrough without player intervention. As said, unless you choose some meme tag, you will win, because the non-meme tags were the states that won the Early Modern period.
 
My point is that I would rather have the gameplay decide the shape of the world from the start-date rather than it being pretty much the same every time. I have never played a single EU4 game where the pistachio blob in the Balkans didn't expand like crazy unless you went out of your way to gimp them early on. But the Ottomans can fail by gameplay alone in EU5, which I really appreciate. I have seen Karaman win the Rise of the Turks scenario before, which would be a simple impossibility compared to EU4's overdetermined world.
The main problem people have with EUV, aside from the self-inflicted Tinto balancing issues, is that EUV almost never quite recreates even half of the historical states that we see in 1444. (Bohemia stays strong, Ottoblob often leaves BYZ alive despite their strong buffs, Hungary stays powerful, Netherlands (or the Burgundy state) will almost never form without player intervention, the Russian states never quite shake off the Tatar yoke and consolidate, etc). And a lot of this has to do with how the AI currently handles the game.

I'm fine with having gameplay (and randomness) dictating how the world flows. But as it is now, EUV is crippled by the fact the AI doesn't know how to play the game they made, and does not make decisions that would make sense historically, or gameplay wise.
 
Is EU V any good currently? What little I've read since launch paints a grim picture. I seethed and dropped it after repeated crashes during the twentieth phase of the hundred years war. Felt like it was taking a really long time to actually get into the period I was looking for and the hundred years war was gay. I don't care about France and if the French holdings weren't half of my income then I'd just give them up on the first day. Uniting the crowns feels like it'd be winning the game before 1500. There's no chance a paradox AI could ever meaningfully challenge a united England and France. Are pike and shot enjoyers doomed to play the same two WDS games for the rest of time?
Stability and performance are improving every patch, but the AI is way too retarded to be even slightly interesting to play against in singleplayer. Multiplayer is very fun, however, probably the best Paradox game in that regard. As for the start date, I think they've said they're going to add more at some point.
 
Just because if America collapsed in the 1990s and virginia suddenly became a country, it wouldn't mean it actually it is de facto, and if trump wanted to re-annex it, why the fuck europe and britain would need to go bankrupt to save it?
This is actually a decent comparison that I make: Ukraine is sort of to Russia what the South is to America: it's the oldest part of the country, the actual core of it (fight me faggots), but it grew to be distinctive enough to have its own national identity in opposition to the rest of the country. (Of course way more so in Ukraine's case, actual notably different dialect.) And Donbas and Luhansk is like the situation of Appalachia where you've got countersecession from secession.
 
Somehow i feel like others get away with much worse.


A few days ago, while streaming, Bo went on a tirade, which boiled down to the Allies during WWII should have, instead of doing the Yalta Conference (in which the US, UK, and USSR split up Nazi Germany and its allies into their respective spheres of influence), they should have taken Nuclear bombs and destroyed Moscow and other populated areas. He also stated that the Russian populace deserves "how retarded the Russian Population is for not, like, doing anything against their fucking dictator and authoritarian regimes". This tangent was said during a live game, with other members of his group, including his editor, Braun, who was commenting on his spiel, and popular member and fellow streamer GoldenSpatula, trying to get him to simmer down.

Based! lol

World history, esp western history would have went so differently without the soviets bankrolling and masterminding the intellectual, ideological, political, ethical and moral subversion of it.. destruction of it. To say nothing of world politics and affairs in general.

There was actual legitimacy in doing so. Beyond all the murderous crap, empire building, genocide and other crap. The fact that they spent the build up to the war and beyond trying to become the 4th member of the axis powers, helped start the war by invading Poland along side the Nazis, and supplied them right up to the morning of the german attack.


Welcome back General Patton.

If only.
 
A few days ago, while streaming, Bo went on a tirade, which boiled down to the Allies during WWII should have, instead of doing the Yalta Conference (in which the US, UK, and USSR split up Nazi Germany and its allies into their respective spheres of influence), they should have taken Nuclear bombs and destroyed Moscow and other populated areas. He also stated that the Russian populace deserves "how retarded the Russian Population is for not, like, doing anything against their fucking dictator and authoritarian regimes". This tangent was said during a live game, with other members of his group, including his editor, Braun, who was commenting on his spiel, and popular member and fellow streamer GoldenSpatula, trying to get him to simmer down.
Finally decided to go on Grishas server and Holy-fuckin' shit have I forgot how brown coded slavs are towards each other in this general sense borat tier behavior garbage I wouldn't be surprised if multiple of these countries just start just breaking out into civil war like when the arab spring happened in 2011 just as the icing on the cake (including Russia) since most have sub 90 iq and can only think about how much shit their neighbor has. Hiter was 100% right about slavs , they can't think for themselves , they can't act peacefully , they just rape and murder. I don't even think general plan ost was real and generally speaking think that russia lies and has about the same kike tier mentality as America (only some genuinely retarded larpers like them it seems) so yeah who the fuck cares if they murder each other 1000x1000 over for a piece of fucking farmland or gas station in ukraine. it's fucking gay and we should have nuked them after ww2
 
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