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ALBANY — The National Rifle Association is being skewered in newly-minted state legislation that calls for the organization to be booted off the list of entities authorized to certify handgun instructors.

The bill, filed by Sen. Sean M. Ryan, D-Buffalo, is one of several new pieces of gun legislation to emerge since New York’s system for issuing pistol permits was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court in May.

‘EXTREME POLITICAL AGENDA’

Ryan argues in the legislation that the N.R.A., the nation’s leading gun rights group, has embraced an “extreme political agenda focused on overturning gun safety laws here in New York and across the nation.”

Offering his justification for having the N.R.A. canceled from the roster of groups and individuals authorized to certify pistol instructors, Ryan says in the legislation: “Through its conduct as an organization, the NRA has proven to no longer be an authority on gun safety.”

The legislation goes on to propose that the state Division of Criminal Justice Services, a state executive agency that is now part of the administration of Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Ryan political ally, should take over the duty of certifying instructors for small arms training.

OFFICIALS PUSH BACK

Reacting to the bill, Tom King, a member of the N.R.A.’s national board and the president of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, questioned the constitutionality of Ryan’s legislation and scoffed at the suggestion that DCJS should run the certification effort for small arms instructors.

“They don’t have the wherewithal to do it, nor do they have the people with the knowledge to do it,” King said.
King also said the N.R.A. has a long record of promoting gun safety, Since 1988, the gun rights group has run the Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program. The organization says it has trained 32 million children how to stay safe if they find a gun.

In his legislation, Ryan brands the N.R.A. “an extremist organization that prioritizes political advocacy at the expense of safety.” He also says that since the mass shooting at Columbine High School in 1999, a total of 331 schools have experienced gun violence.

State Conservative Party chairman Gerard Kassar said he sees the new bill and other measures filed by Democrats offer no benefit to public safety while targeting law-abiding gun owners.

“They should focus on who is committing the crimes rather than blaming an inanimate object that is not going to do anything to anyone unless there’s bad intent from a human being,” Kassar said.

The Supreme Court ruling that went against the Hochul administration came in a case brought by the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association. The Democratic-controlled Legislature, in response, passed new requirements for pistol permit applicants, although that legislation remains the subject of ongoing litigation, also involving King’s group.

Gun control was a contentious issue in the governor’s race this year, and Ryan’s bill suggests the issue will continue to play out at the statehouse when lawmakers return in January.

OTHER BILLS

Another bill filed this week, growing out of the controversy over the pistol permit law, would allow individuals to carry firearms, rifles or shotguns in designated “sensitive places” for ceremonial purposes such as historical re-enactments and 21 gun salutes.

Some ceremonial events were canceled this year due to concern that participants could be charged with illegal carrying of a firearm into a sensitive area.

The bill, filed by Sen. John Mannion, D-Syracuse, would give a green light to the possession of firearms at such events provided there was advance approval by local municipalities. “This legislation will afford all that understand the sharing of traditions and honoring those that have served in a formal manner,” Mannion states in the bill.

Still another new bill, also responding to the latest firearms law, would exempt shooting instructors and wildlife control specialists from being charged with criminal possession of firearms in a sensitive area.

The measure, sponsored by Sen. Jeremy Cooney, D-Rochester, notes a number of camps offer firearms training and shooting ranges. He argues the camp rangers need to be armed on occasion due to potential encounters with rabid animals.

Critics of New York’s new gun law argued lawmakers and sportsmen’s groups should have been given more time to study the bill before it was rushed through both houses of the Legislature.

Cooney notes in his bill that the new law has resulted in “lingering uncertainty” as to its impact on previously approved firearms usage.

The NRA came up with the 4 basic rules of gun safety, retards. They know their way around a gun better than you or Bloomberg's lackeys ever will.
 
Law is obviously unconstitutional

The butthurt seethe law trying to ban gun possession on basically all private property already got btfo in court earlier this week
 
The idea is to keep lobbing crippling hits at gun culture until nobody wants to bother. Even if the law's overturned, the idea is to drag it out.

The people who push these laws should be charged under 18 USC 241-242, but eh, hand me my rainbows.
 
Doomed to fail, post-Bruen anything restrictive aside from a criminal record or being under the age of 18 simply can't stand as a gun law. No matter how much NY and CA whinge, seethe and dilate.

The idea is to keep lobbing crippling hits at gun culture until nobody wants to bother. Even if the law's overturned, the idea is to drag it out.
They underestimate their own popularity and support as well as underestimate the resolve of the average gun owner to keep their lawful arms. Its why they keep losing and have not had a "win" since the first AWB, and the Clinton 90's is getting to be a LONG time ago.
 
Law is obviously unconstitutional

The butthurt seethe law trying to ban gun possession on basically all private property already got btfo in court earlier this week
This is the new left tactic. They create laws or EOs that are totally illegal. While they are fought out in court they keep using the laws or EOs or simply ignore the rulings deeming them illegal.

They do this all while claiming this is a nation of the rule of law.

They are taking away political options and as I have said before they are not prepared for the result of this course.
 
This is the new left tactic. They create laws or EOs that are totally illegal. While they are fought out in court they keep using the laws or EOs or simply ignore the rulings deeming them illegal.
Not quite, the laws, while being reviewed, have been under injunction, they have not been using them anyway because they cannot use a law that's been stayed pending litigation. States like NY and CA have tried to argue against injunctions while they argue it out in the most protracted way they can, but, even when they manage to kick it all the way up to the circuits and even get an en banc review? They have lost and been injuncted. They have not scored a single success in the appellate track to date since Bruen's rules took effect.

What they HAVE been doing is just going back to the drawing board and passing and re-passing the same illegal laws with different coats of paint in a vain effort to keep their preferred style of law in perpetual orbit overhead in the hopes they can keep up the juggling for the next 20 years until enough Supreme Court Justices retire/pass and are replaced by Democrat-sympathetic police-statists and overturn Bruen, returning the status quo of gun laws back to the "proper" old standard of "Compelling interest in public safety" being enough to strip you of the 2A. Technically, those laws are in force for the 15 minutes it takes between the ink drying and them getting stayed by courts.

It's not a sustainable or realistic plan, but, it's literally all they can do.

The ruling in Bruen was not only against them, but so STRONGLY against them their only hope is a future USSC overruling itself, or they're just willing to be petulant children for the sake of dying on a hill that's at least on the right side of History (tm) when they run out of timeouts in the courts.
 
Not quite, the laws, while being reviewed, have been under injunction, they have not been using them anyway because they cannot use a law that's been stayed pending litigation. States like NY and CA have tried to argue against injunctions while they argue it out in the most protracted way they can, but, even when they manage to kick it all the way up to the circuits and even get an en banc review? They have lost and been injuncted. They have not scored a single success in the appellate track to date since Bruen's rules took effect.

What they HAVE been doing is just going back to the drawing board and passing and re-passing the same illegal laws with different coats of paint in a vain effort to keep their preferred style of law in perpetual orbit overhead in the hopes they can keep up the juggling for the next 20 years until enough Supreme Court Justices retire/pass and are replaced by Democrat-sympathetic police-statists and overturn Bruen, returning the status quo of gun laws back to the "proper" old standard of "Compelling interest in public safety" being enough to strip you of the 2A. Technically, those laws are in force for the 15 minutes it takes between the ink drying and them getting stayed by courts.

It's not a sustainable or realistic plan, but, it's literally all they can do.

The ruling in Bruen was not only against them, but so STRONGLY against them their only hope is a future USSC overruling itself, or they're just willing to be petulant children for the sake of dying on a hill that's at least on the right side of History (tm) when they run out of timeouts in the courts.
Sorry I should have included: Just introducing new laws that will be struck down but I am full of turkey and scotch.

I tried to be too broad. You are right.
 
Sorry I should have included: Just introducing new laws that will be struck down but I am full of turkey and scotch.

I tried to be too broad. You are right.
Frankly, I'm amazed I'm still cognitive myself, I'm similarly stuffed, and somehow, when I took leftovers home, I ended up with half a cold pizza from Wednesday night the fam didn't want either..... must be a case of "too enraged to be distracted"
 
Leftist: Can you believe the NRA wants to allow our children to use assault weapons from inside the womb?
Me: What is an assault weapon, specifically?
Leftist: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I have never met a leftist who knows what they're talking about when it comes to guns. I'm not someone who knows what I'm talking about either. Yet, I still know enough to know that they're clueless idiots. When the DNC says something about guns, I immediately assume it is half true at best and a complete fabrication at worst. I have yet to be wrong.
 
I have never met a leftist who knows what they're talking about when it comes to guns. I'm not someone who knows what I'm talking about either.
Ask them if the weapon in question is capable of automatic fire

If they say "yes" tell them it qualifies as a machine gun and such are not legal to own by the public UNLESS the particular gun has gone through a specific ATF registration process that for all intents and purposes stopped in 1986. (there's exceptions and whatnot, but, you'd have to even know the NFA is a thing to get to discussing them, and most anti gun people ironically have NO IDEA what the NFA is)

If they say "no" tell them it's not an assault weapon then, (If they then go "but muh AR 15!" the AR-15 and all civilian AR models and other AR-pattern guns do NOT have any fire modes except "Safe" and "semiauto" )

If they say "I don't know" ask how they feel qualified to make ANY statements about guns


Note - You won't likely convince them of anything, but, their newfound rage at being logically opposed will go a long way to convincing you that you are at least sane
 
Leftist: Can you believe the NRA wants to allow our children to use assault weapons from inside the womb?
Me: What is an assault weapon, specifically?
Leftist: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I have never met a leftist who knows what they're talking about when it comes to guns. I'm not someone who knows what I'm talking about either. Yet, I still know enough to know that they're clueless idiots. When the DNC says something about guns, I immediately assume it is half true at best and a complete fabrication at worst. I have yet to be wrong.
They're slightly aware of this, so they'll occasionally trot out a Fudd; a "hunter" who fires 20 rounds a year, or a "veteran" whose "service" involved shuffling papers or kicking boxes stateside.
 
Ask them if the weapon in question is capable of automatic fire

If they say "yes" tell them it qualifies as a machine gun and such are not legal to own by the public UNLESS the particular gun has gone through a specific ATF registration process that for all intents and purposes stopped in 1986. (there's exceptions and whatnot, but, you'd have to even know the NFA is a thing to get to discussing them, and most anti gun people ironically have NO IDEA what the NFA is)

If they say "no" tell them it's not an assault weapon then, (If they then go "but muh AR 15!" the AR-15 and all civilian AR models and other AR-pattern guns do NOT have any fire modes except "Safe" and "semiauto" )
Except one of my relatives genuinely believed that semi auto meant "auto, but slower" until I told them otherwise, so that explanation would make no sense to them.

It is not possible to overestimate the amount of ignorance involved in gun grabber logic. You can try to explain it to them like they're five, except the average five year old would probably understand better than they would because they haven't been pumped full of propaganda yet.

They're slightly aware of this, so they'll occasionally trot out a Fudd; a "hunter" who fires 20 rounds a year, or a "veteran" whose "service" involved shuffling papers or kicking boxes stateside.
Or a fictional white man wearing a photoshopped army uniform who in reality is a black female FBI agent whose job is to operate an army of Fellow Republican sockpuppets on Twitter.
 
Ask them if the weapon in question is capable of automatic fire

If they say "yes" tell them it qualifies as a machine gun and such are not legal to own by the public UNLESS the particular gun has gone through a specific ATF registration process that for all intents and purposes stopped in 1986. (there's exceptions and whatnot, but, you'd have to even know the NFA is a thing to get to discussing them, and most anti gun people ironically have NO IDEA what the NFA is)

If they say "no" tell them it's not an assault weapon then, (If they then go "but muh AR 15!" the AR-15 and all civilian AR models and other AR-pattern guns do NOT have any fire modes except "Safe" and "semiauto" )

If they say "I don't know" ask how they feel qualified to make ANY statements about guns


Note - You won't likely convince them of anything, but, their newfound rage at being logically opposed will go a long way to convincing you that you are at least sane

They're slightly aware of this, so they'll occasionally trot out a Fudd; a "hunter" who fires 20 rounds a year, or a "veteran" whose "service" involved shuffling papers or kicking boxes stateside.
Shit the piece of shit Biden was being interviewed the other day and stated "the fact we allow people to sell SEMI-automatics is sick" they know they've lost the "assault weapon" canard so now it's just full mask off.
 
These people simply want you disarmed so they can control you with their mentally ill violent goon squads that run around on their dark money funds. "Whatever the phrase is about demoralized people (the no morals kind of demoralized) running the prisons."

These types are also the ones to laugh about the confederacy and bring up supremacy clause along with it while signing in obvious unconstitutional law and signing in law that ignores federal law already in place. There are other places that do the same but they write in their state laws that contradict already in place federal law because the federal law is unconstitutional, so unconstitutional literal low IQ mouth breathers can point out the parts that are unconstitutional and are too mentally retarded to get manipulated with fancy tactics of The Language Arts of Jew-Jitsu. Outside the sperging it seems the criteria of the first civil war are coming up more and more except it's pretty much every state now ignoring federal law (Balkanization?).

People who genuinely dislike firearms tell you their reasons and it usually involves recoil or a catastrophic malfunction that maimed or spooked the hell out of them.
 
All these guys keep talking about how we need more gun control, but have they ever considered being the change they want to be the world?

Have they ever considered signing up for firearms safety classes?
That's a no-go.

The safest (and therefore, only acceptable) state for guns is - not owning them.

Therefore, they have a Catch-22 idea about gun safety

"Orr would be crazy to own a gun and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he could own one. If he owned one he was crazy and couldn't; but if he didn't want to he was sane and could"
 
Leftist: Can you believe the NRA wants to allow our children to use assault weapons from inside the womb?
Me: What is an assault weapon, specifically?
Leftist: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I have never met a leftist who knows what they're talking about when it comes to guns. I'm not someone who knows what I'm talking about either. Yet, I still know enough to know that they're clueless idiots. When the DNC says something about guns, I immediately assume it is half true at best and a complete fabrication at worst. I have yet to be wrong.
You can't tell me I don't know nothing! THAT'S RACIST

Reminds me of a cartoon that said something like, "Why not, we did it with healthcare."

And even if they do succeed in their shitty laws, they'll just end up monopolizing firepower in the hands of those who should least have it. The irony is outstanding.
 
All these guys keep talking about how we need more gun control, but have they ever considered being the change they want to be the world?

Have they ever considered signing up for firearms safety classes?
Ha ha ha ha ha.... NO. The Pink Pistols, a group that advocates explicitly for firearms ownership among the LGBT crowd, is number 2 on the Left's shitlist after the NRA because they firmly believe the solution to dead gays and lesbians is gays and lesbians having the means to defend themselves. When Gavin Newsom was pushing that ammunition shit in California he explicitly called them out after they sided with the NRA on it being a terrible fucking idea.
 
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