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@Tasty Tatty How old was Nightcrawler supposed to be in the comics, when Charles rescued him? 'Cos Kodi Smit-McPhee was 19-20 when Apocalypse came out.
Allow me some nerdness, *clear throat*

Cyclops, Jean, Angel are meant to be the same age when comics started, about to be 18. Beast is one or two years older, Iceman is two younger.

Storm is ~21 when she joined x-men and Cyclops was 23, and she's older than Kurt who is older than Rogue. Rogue joined at 18 in 1981, 6 years after Storm did, but that's about 1 year and a half in Marvel time. So, when Storm is 22, Rogue's 18. Kurt is between 18 and 20 when he joined them.
 
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Iceman was made gay in the last 15 years, before that he was a standard hetero dude chasing chicks like Polaris with abilities he wasn't smart enough to make full use of. Jean joined the xmen around 15-16. Nightcrawler was like 17-19 when Xavier saved him from that mob in germany; he'd been travelling with the circus as a runaway-turned-acrobat until then unless it's been retconned.

That panel with the editor telling the writer to drop the queer bit is probably the most sensible thing anyones' said with regards to Iceman in a while. If some dude saved the world or even a city from some threat, the last thing I or anyone with a functioning brain should care about is what he wants to fuck in his off-hours.
I would like to remind people that he was quite literally brainwashed into a cocksucking raging homo by Jean Grey, when he tried to flirt with her. Which got retconnned later into regular faggotry due to the sheer implications of this (too close to truth).
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And this was all written by a comic lolcow, who also happens to be gay (he has done a lot of other bad shit too, like writing one of the worst She Hulk stories of all time).
 
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The beauty of the X-Men, and Hermione for that matter, is that it's an allegory for anything. It can be about being gay or civil rights or da shoah or literally any trait a person can exhibit that receives societal pushback. By operating as a metaphor, both the authors and the readership are able to project a whole array of subjects onto the same concept, and because none of them are explicitly mentioned rather than implied, it all works and they all exist in a state of superposition.
I checked some panels people said that it proved he was gay all along and of course it was all in their heads.

The alleged scene is him taking Rogue home to meet his parents (they aren't dating, she's just there for the road trip) after he already took other girls, one of them Asian. Not only the dad is a bigot ("first an Asian, then a...", Bobby assumes he's gonna say "mutant", but maybe he was gonna say "redneck", who knows), but the whole point is not Bobby's girls, but rather that nothing Bobby does is enough for the old guy. It wasn't about him being gay or dating non whites or being a mutant. It's simply that he can't please his father and the father's too hard to please and he can't be his own person because of it.

That's much more relatable than being gay, imo.

There is another panel when later Mr. Drake tells someone (Cyclops? Gambit?), when he's at the hospital after some attack, the old "and have you tried not act like a mutant? Because you don't look like". He gets told something like "I joined the Xmen so I/we shouldn't have to".

Considering many of them are orphans or stranded from their families, it's Bobby's role to have an antagonist family in general, something most young readers can relate too. It was a mistake making it about being gay because the story was more like "my father has impossible standards so I should just be me".

I'm not sure if Dani Moonstar is actually gay, or that's something they decided to throw in there, in New Mutants.
I googled, and fuck it. She is a lesbian now. Not a fan of the NM, but I hate Marvel.

ETA: Bobby and Rogue's road trip is famously another "clue" of him being gay for the most stupid reason. Rogue's brokenhearted bcuz of Gambit, so that's why she leaves with Bobby, who's her friend and he's trying to comfort her. So, because she's wearing a small top and shorts and he's not all over her, he's gay. Fuck the fact that they're friends, that he knows she loves Gambit, or that he can die if he touches her and be very likely doesn't want to die. Not being a borderline predator is evidence of homosexuality, said by the same "me too" crowd.
 
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She isn't.
I think they made her bi or something recently in the comics, but every mainstream version of her has had a male love interest, even the one played by a pooner.
Yeah she's been bi for a long time, I don't recall when exactly but I stopped reading Marvel around 2010 so it's been fifteen years at least.

I just said dyke because it rhymes with kike and that makes me smile, sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
Allow me some nerdness, *clear throat*

Cyclops, Jean, Angel are meant to be the same age when comics started, about to be 18. Beast is one or two years older, Iceman is two younger.

Storm is ~21 when she joined x-men and Cyclops was 23, and she's older than Kurt who is older than Rogue. Rogue joined at 18 in 1981, 6 years after Storm did, but that's about 1 year and a half in Marvel time. So, when Storm is 22, Rogue's 18. Kurt is between 18 and 20 when he joined them.
Popping in to thank you for the information as well.

People forget the X-Men were for a while, and IMO worked best, as a rough Teen Titans parallel of "soap-opera oriented young heroes with weird powers" versus the Avengers/Justice League being "nominal A-list solo heroes with cool powers and good looks forming a team." Again, it's sure not meant to be a 1:1 parallel between each but IMO it fits nicely. I understand the appeal of teenage Spidey and X-Men but think you can make them both college-aged in any mainstream-esque adaption, since you can easily slot in high school drama/romance stories in there anyways while keeping them just old enough, and thus mature enough, to relate to the "adult heroes" in the Avengers and Fantastic Four in at least some form (save Human Torch should be Spidey's age of course).

I know DC never had a true FF parallel, though it certainly tried with the Fantastics - which I enjoyed, btw - but I suspect that's because IMO DC's teams are usually a bunch of outsiders coming together than a pure ensemble assembled from the ground up like the FF/X-men were.
 
Yeah she's been bi for a long time, I don't recall when exactly but I stopped reading Marvel around 2010 so it's been fifteen years at least.

I just said dyke because it rhymes with kike and that makes me smile, sorry for the misunderstanding.
I know they made Colossus (who is sometimes her love interest) gay in one of the offshoots, but at this point who isn't a fag in comic books?
 
he was gay all along and of course it was all in their heads.

The alleged scene is him taking Rogue home to meet his parents (they aren't dating, she's just there for the road trip) after he already took other girls, one of them Asian. Not only the dad is a bigot ("first an Asian, then a...", Bobby assumes he's gonna say "mutant", but maybe he was gonna say "redneck", who knows), but the whole point is not Bobby's girls, but rather that nothing Bobby does is enough for the old guy. It wasn't about him being gay or dating non whites or being a mutant. It's simply that he can't please his father and the father's too hard to please and he can't be his own person because of it.
Reminds me of Korra Assami shipping. "Those two characters interacted - They must be gay". Usually said by people who will argue on the male gaze and beschdel test.

People forget the X-Men were for a while, and IMO worked best, as a rough Teen Titans parallel of "soap-opera oriented young heroes with weird powers" versus the Avengers/Justice League being "nominal A-list solo heroes with cool powers and good looks forming a team." Again, it's sure not meant to be a 1:1 parallel between each but IMO it fits nicely. I understand the appeal of teenage Spidey and X-Men but think you can make them both college-aged in any mainstream-esque adaption, since you can easily slot in high school drama/romance stories in there anyways while keeping them just old enough, and thus mature enough, to relate to the "adult heroes" in the Avengers and Fantastic Four in at least some form (save Human Torch should be Spidey's age of course).
X Men is more dynamic than Teen Titans for having multiple age brackets so you can pick and choose teenage/YA/mature relationships. And characters switch age brackets depending on the adaption.

Also help it's not a team of secondary characters from more well know franchises.
 
She isn't.
I think they made her bi or something recently in the comics, but every mainstream version of her has had a male love interest, even the one played by a pooner.
Yeah, now I remember. 'Cos in at least X-Men: Last Stand, she had feelings for Bobby.

@Tasty Tatty Ah, so Kurt's age does actually line up, movie-wise.
 
Yeah, now I remember. 'Cos in at least X-Men: Last Stand, she had feelings for Bobby.

@Tasty Tatty Ah, so Kurt's age does actually line up, movie-wise.
The post DOFP movies had the age range right, but they were still too young chronologically. I guess people still remembered X-men Evolution.
 
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I was going to hold my autism in but since you mentioned it, I feel like Evolution had a really good dynamic with the stratification of ages. Having Storm and Beast and Wolverine as mentor figures between the kids and Xavier, and then having the bulk of the cast further stratified -- I don't remember if Jean and Cyclops were actually older than the rest but it certainly felt that way, and then the new kids who come in in the later seasons, like freshmen vs seniors. There was a really palpable gradient of maturity, and it made it so no matter how old you are when you watch it there's always someone whose conflict you can relate to, be it dumb drama that seems like the biggest deal in the world as a teenager or being an adult trying to tard wrangle dumb kids. Kind of like how people talk about The Goofy Movie being relatable to both children and adults for different reasons.

Or maybe I'm biased because it just happened to air when I was really interested in angsty goth girls. Who's to say.
 
30/40/50 years ago saying "nerds who read comics are all fags" would have been considered right-wing chud intolerance, today it's heckin' leftist empowerment.

The cultural tropes of the 2020s seem less like a shift in the Overton Window and more a full scale Party Swap every day.
 
I was going to hold my autism in but since you mentioned it, I feel like Evolution had a really good dynamic with the stratification of ages. Having Storm and Beast and Wolverine as mentor figures between the kids and Xavier, and then having the bulk of the cast further stratified -- I don't remember if Jean and Cyclops were actually older than the rest but it certainly felt that way, and then the new kids who come in in the later seasons, like freshmen vs seniors. There was a really palpable gradient of maturity, and it made it so no matter how old you are when you watch it there's always someone whose conflict you can relate to, be it dumb drama that seems like the biggest deal in the world as a teenager or being an adult trying to tard wrangle dumb kids. Kind of like how people talk about The Goofy Movie being relatable to both children and adults for different reasons.

Or maybe I'm biased because it just happened to air when I was really interested in angsty goth girls. Who's to say.
I'm the same way: I liked Rogue, and I liked Raven, from Teen Titans, and I fancied Thorn, from Scooby Doo. Around the time I was *just* on the onset of puberty. And I found the Beast introductory episode scary as a kid. Beast of Bayville, the name was.
 
its cope because kraven did worst as a main stream spider manvillian .
went down the path of kraven hunting poachers & vegan.
close enough to lore & counter meme after 2 tries morbious broke even.
my nuclear take: shouldn't put the horse before the cart -done a Sinister six first before spin off's sprinkle backstories in sinister six movie.
i believe sinister six was scrub due to endgame & civilwar but venom was able to make money.
 
Its so funny that Sony Pictures continues to prove itself to be a studio run by genuine idiots. Whereas Disney and WB are run by evil people, Sony is run by actual retards who have never changed, they learned nothing from Amazing Spider-Man 2 and it shows.

Like how the fuck can you say Morbius, Kraven, and Madame Web are good movies?!

The Venom movies are not that good but made money cause unlike those movies, Venom is a super popular character.

Then again these guys are still making El Muerto (you know, a fucking movie based off a niche spider-man villain who appeared in 2 issues). You may think it is getting cancelled because Bad Bunny left, but Sony still intends to make that shit, but may only now cancel it because Kraven flopped, but we'll have to wait and see how long until they have a proper reality check.

All Sony Pictures has going for them now is Beyond the Spider-Verse and Spider-Noir.
 
People forget the X-Men were for a while, and IMO worked best, as a rough Teen Titans parallel of "soap-opera oriented young heroes with weird powers" versus the Avengers/Justice League being "nominal A-list solo heroes with cool powers and good looks forming a team." Again, it's sure not meant to be a 1:1 parallel between each but IMO it fits nicely. I understand the appeal of teenage Spidey and X-Men but think you can make them both college-aged in any mainstream-esque adaption, since you can easily slot in high school drama/romance stories in there anyways while keeping them just old enough, and thus mature enough, to relate to the "adult heroes" in the Avengers and Fantastic Four in at least some form (save Human Torch should be Spidey's age of course).
It's been a while since I checked the comics (not saying "read" bcause it wasn't), but when the book starts, the team was four young people who just turned 18 or were about to and one "kid" who was 16. And you can notice the difference when the book goes on. They talk about things 18yo people talk about: dating, college, jobs. You can see s small difference between the older xmen and Bobby whose youth is signalled by not caring about dating at first. The older they get, the more they discuss these things and you can see th changes: Warren has basically moved with a girl, Jean wants to go to college, Scott... well, he's Scott.

60 years later and Scott's meant to be 35 already, but none of the xmen acts that age because they still try to appeal to an audience that doesn't exist. There was a recent comic I checked when Scott says he wants to "grow old" with Jean and we know he can't. I remember also some debate about how Gambit wanted kids and Rogue didn't. Same shit as Peter Parker and MJ. Writers don't want to accept that the characters are more appealing to their original fanbase if they accept they have grown as well. That's why xmen 97 was popular, it was for older fans who can take some more mature content.
 
Its so funny that Sony Pictures continues to prove itself to be a studio run by genuine idiots. Whereas Disney and WB are run by evil people, Sony is run by actual retards who have never changed, they learned nothing from Amazing Spider-Man 2 and it shows.

Like how the fuck can you say Morbius, Kraven, and Madame Web are good movies?!

The Venom movies are not that good but made money cause unlike those movies, Venom is a super popular character.

Then again these guys are still making El Muerto (you know, a fucking movie based off a niche spider-man villain who appeared in 2 issues). You may think it is getting cancelled because Bad Bunny left, but Sony still intends to make that shit, but may only now cancel it because Kraven flopped, but we'll have to wait and see how long until they have a proper reality check.

All Sony Pictures has going for them now is Beyond the Spider-Verse and Spider-Noir.
Sony Pictures is just lucky they even have Spider-Man, the only reason they got film rights was because Marvel Enterprises was financially struggling, just about five years prior, Marvel was bankrupt and couldn't even license out Spider-Man because MGM had claimed they had the rights in perpetuity despite the fact their purchase should've (and ultimately, was) voided anyway.
 
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