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dick brain said:
Is there a single person in the entire world excited for Venom 3?
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I'm the only person who loved the last one. It was just as stupid and terrible and pg and fake edgy as the 90s venom solo comics it was like an exact adaptation of the tone. that said, I've never seen it again and I wouldn't. this one doesn't even look funny bad or anything like that. I also know nothing about venom post like 2003 so there's not anything that would be in it that would pique my interest. I have no idea what the fuck a knull is and don't give a shit. the only people who will see it are gay YouTube grifter reviewers, and teenagers in small towns that have nothing so go to movie theaters every Friday night as a hangout.
 
Venom works best juxtaposed with Spiderman, his introduction was pretty well done and the most interesting things about him are his design and the threat he poses to Parker. Without spiderman these movie are as interesting as the lethal protector era ie not very.

Knull is a stupid addition to the marvel universe from the 2000s/2010s, he's the symbiotes' god. He can take control of them and do other stupid shit, whatever.

IMO the best addition to venom lore was in the Agent Venom arc with Flash Thompson where it gave him legs and the aliens were revealed to normally have no fire/sonics weakness as Venoms' issues were a result of damage. Once fixed, the shapeshifting alien suit allowed a user to survive orbital reentry.
 
Prehistoric Jazz said:
Venom works best juxtaposed with Spiderman, his introduction was pretty well done and the most interesting things about him are his design and the threat he poses to Parker. Without spiderman these movie are as interesting as the lethal protector era ie not very.
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Honestly I really only like him as a metaphor for that one ex that won't get over you and keeps trying to either get back together with you or fuck your life up while using other poor shmucks in the process.
 
I think the problem with Venom is that his whole appeal is that he is a darker version of Spider-Man. I personally think he works better as a villain. Everything people love about him is how edgy and dark he can be.

Like it was mentioned earlier, even his “lethal protector” stint was a downgrade from his villain era.

Trouble is that both Marvel comics and Sony are trying really hard to make him heroic and sympathetic, which in my opinion doesn’t work because all you get is just a second rate Spider-man, except he is more gooey and kills now and then. This isn‘t even a new problem because Carnage was created precisely because Venom was going soft.

I am personally not a fan of Knull either. He is way too try hard and a 15 year old‘s idea of cool.

To be fair Sony’s eddy has many fans that like is quips, and some comic fanboys love the current direction. But personally I think the numbers don’t lie. Most people don’t like Venom for the meh cosmic knull stories or him being spider-man lite.
 
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yeah my favorite venom is right before the goofy solo shit they did in the 90s where he was a real threat and nutjob obsessed with what he lost, and then with peter. that's my favorite era of Spiderman in general though from like the Death of Jean Dewolfe to somewhere before the Clone Saga. particularly the spectacular series during that time Micheline's run. but Venom was cool and actually kind of edgy and scary but by the time they started doing his own books he was a goofy retard.

that said when I think of Venom I kind of think of that bc my mind goes to the PSX Spider-Man game and him going SPIDER WUSSSS COME OUT AND PLAAAY

I've wanted to read Agent Venom for years because a lot of people swear up and down its basically the only solid Spider-Man and adjacent runs since OMD. I just can't bring myself to give a shit about this movie. I didn't with the last one either but it had carnage in it and this nigger I know swore up and down it was dope and I went to his house and laughed the whole time because it was terrible.
 
I have no doubts Agent Venom is solid. I know a lot of people swear by Flash Tompson's redemption arch. Trouble is that he is also way too far apart from Venom or what made Venom so popular and appealing in the first place. That hulking beast with scary teeth that does questionable things? That's not Agent Venom.

I would describe Agent Venom as a fantastic Flash Thompson story. It's probably even a great superhero story. But It's just not a good venom story. He has even worn the suit as some kind of sci-fi armor which just doesn't fit Venom at all. Too clean and heroic.

In my opinion to write a good Venom story you need to embrace some of it's darkness. To be fair I get that comic people ran out of ideas hence them making Venom a good guy in sci-fi cosmic adventures. But that's not the character's peak. He certsinly wouldn't have become popular if he had started as he is now.
 
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Agent Venom was a good comic and an interesting story. Eddie sells the suit, the suit abandons some douchebag mobster mid-jump between skyscrapers, and eventually ends up captured by the government. They bond it to a veteran war hero, the two of them work together through some stories that were pretty well done with mostly great art, and then eventually that ends and earlier status quo returns. It's not venom, but I too liked the Flash story and him going from disabled soldier to superhero. It was a well done distraction from the previous iteration and I liked it better than the current stuff that's happening.
 
Mystery Spy said:
I have no doubts Agent Venom is solid. I know a lot of people swear by Flash Tompson's redemption arch. Trouble is that he is also way too far apart from Venom or what made Venom so popular and appealing in the first place. That hulking beast with scary teeth that does questionable things? That's not Agent Venom.

I would describe Agent Venom as a fantastic Flash Thompson story. It's probably even a great superhero story. But It's just not a good venom story. He has even worn the suit as some kind of sci-fi armor which just doesn't fit Venom at all. Too clean and heroic.

In my opinion to write a good Venom story you need to embrace some of it's darkness. To be fair I get that comic people ran out of ideas hence them making Venom a good guy in sci-fi cosmic adventures. But that's not the character's peak. He certsinly wouldn't have become popular if he had started as he is now.
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Venom In Space would have been great if it was Eddie getting kidnapped by ayys and ending up stranded in space and getting by as a space reporter
 
Jeymes Samuel will not direct 'BLADE'.

i.e. neo-Blade is not happening, for certain.

As I saw someone put it, modern studios are so risk averse and creatively bankrupt they Surf Dracula every IP they get ahold of. It shouldn't be impossible to make a blockbuster film out of the premise of "half-vampire guy slays vampires". The concept of Blade is so simple and full of potential for cool that it should be impossible to screw up, but the brains at Disney/Marvel do because they are unwilling to embrace what makes him cool so they'll never get it done.
 
Commander X said:
Jeymes Samuel will not direct 'BLADE'.

i.e. neo-Blade is not happening, for certain.

As I saw someone put it, modern studios are so risk averse and creatively bankrupt they Surf Dracula every IP they get ahold of. It shouldn't be impossible to make a blockbuster film out of the premise of "half-vampire guy slays vampires". The concept of Blade is so simple and full of potential for cool that it should be impossible to screw up, but the brains at Disney/Marvel do because they are unwilling to embrace what makes him cool so they'll never get it done.
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The biggest problem is that they keep trying to tie everything back into the MCU, which has become a bloated shambling monstrosity that prevents anything actually creative from being made.

As literally everyone with half a brain has pointed out (so, anyone with half a brain more than the average Hollywood executive), Blade is such a simple concept to pull off. But the very second they made the call to chuck it into the MCU, they already signed the project's death warrant, in much the same way they've been doing with every other IP previously owned by another studio (Fantastic 4 and X-men being the big ones). Where has Blade been all this time? If Blade has always been around but offscreen, that must mean vampires have also always been a thing; where were they? Do they use multiverse fuckery to teleport him in, or do they just handwave it and hope that nobody asks questions? How exactly does a half-vampire fit into this cosmic story with universal stakes without seeming completely out of place? Before you've even written a page of the screenplay, you've got a bunch of millstones around your neck.

There's also the question of if they would even do the idea justice. Modern Hollywood writing is so irony poisoned that there's no way anyone working on the script would actually take it seriously, and I'm sure it would end up another MCU quipfest. (Not to say that the original Blade trilogy was high art, but it at least knew how to revel in the concept and have fun with it without seeming embarrassed by the material.) Plus, would they commit to the levels of blood and violence that people would expect? I didn't see Deadpool and Wolverine so I don't know how bloody it got, but I imagine that even its most violent moments don't compare to the blood rave.

Don't get me wrong, Surf Dracula (good terminology) is still a problem in modern Hollywood, but this movie had so many other problems standing in its way. I can't say I'm surprised it's falling apart, and I hope nobody else is dumb enough to sign on so it can stay dead. I feel for Mahershala Ali who really seemed like he wanted to play the role, but it's probably for the best.
 
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>Calling a guy with a wife and kids incel

The word has truly lost its' meaning, what a shame.
 
King Dead said:
There's also the question of if they would even do the idea justice. Modern Hollywood writing is so irony poisoned that there's no way anyone working on the script would actually take it seriously, and I'm sure it would end up another MCU quipfest.
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I know I sperg about it from time to time but the lack of irony in the game Marvel's Midnight Suns is one of the things I really, really enjoyed about the game. It's not without humour. In fact it's one of those rare games where the jokes are actually funny. (Except for Cap's grandpa humour but that's deliberate). But the characters actually take themselves and the story seriously. To the extent that even Deadpool (one of the DLCs) is one of the more of an emotive takes on the character, for all that he still goes for the laughs. If you actually get to know him in the game and build up your trust you get more of a 'jokes to hide the pain' vibe from him which goes a long way to balancing the crassness.

Case in point because people were talking about Venom, there's none of that "we... WE.... we are, I thought you were going to say it, okay no: We are...." dialogue from the trailer for the movie version. The humour is more in his interactions with Spiderman as you can actually get them working together in the game. Eddie turns out to be on the more Conspiracy Theorist side of things with his journalism which Peter keeps trying to reign in (unsuccessfully).

Game has around 65,000 lines of dialogue, I'd say about <1% of it is quips. I wish modern shows and comics showed the love for making character's meaningfully distinct and authentic that the games writers did. They're clearly massive fans of Marvel and not just MCU stuff, either.

MTN Dew Rat said:
There's only gonna be one Blade
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I pity the poor motherfucker that has to follow Wesley Snipes in the role.
 
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