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thanks she hulk for having such a terrible episode 1, now i can easily skip the rest of the season, save 8 hours, and know i won't miss a thing

#DoItForHer
 
starborn427614 said:
Some of these are pretty weak as far as criticisms go. For one thing, Bruce told Jen to get away from him. Interesting to see an emotional reaction to the episode though because I know I didn't have one.
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Really the epsiode was just weird to me.

Like I said even the werid feminist tribute doesnt bug me because i didnt notice it when watching the actual epsiode.

I just found it so weird that She-Hulk cared so much about Steve's sex life.
 
Oats12345 said:
Really the epsiode was just weird to me.

Like I said even the werid feminist tribute doesnt bug me because i didnt notice it when watching the actual epsiode.

I just found it so weird that She-Hulk cared so much about Steve's sex life.
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They're pushing the sex positive thing pretty hard because Shulkie is known for sleeping around in the comics. Wouldn't be surprised if she hooks up with Hercules at some point.
 
starborn427614 said:
They're pushing the sex positive thing pretty hard because Shulkie is known for sleeping around in the comics. Wouldn't be surprised if she hooks up with Hercules at some point.
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I'm actually shocked their keeping that part of the character in the show to be honest. I can't tell what's problematic anymore.

Even that Non-binary line from when those girls thought she was a abused victim. Makes me wonder if SJWs will still find that line offensive because how dare you assume a non-binary can be violent.

Also I was confused when she said Steve didn't have a girlfriend in the 1940s. I'm what does Peggy Carter not ring a bell?
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
In case anyone wants a taste.
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And it’s not just the script.
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Why the fuck would they go and heal Bruce’s arm? The Hulk, a character whose entire schtick is basically being indestructible, getting permanently and severely crippled by undoing the Snap was a good sign of the gravity of the situation. God forbid actions have any consequences, or that victory come at a cost.

It’s not like Hulk’s gonna get much development after this anyways, due to the rights issues regarding solo Hulk movies. There is literally no compelling reason to uncripple him.
 
tbh I didn't notice that his arm stayed fucked up
 
Gar For Archer said:
Why the fuck would they go and heal Bruce’s arm? The Hulk, a character whose entire schtick is basically being indestructible, getting permanently and severely crippled by undoing the Snap was a good sign of the gravity of the situation. God forbid actions have any consequences, or that victory come at a cost.

It’s not like Hulk’s gonna get much development after this anyways, due to the rights issues regarding solo Hulk movies. There is literally no compelling reason to uncripple him.
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That's comics for you
 
Xenomorphs Are Cute said:
It's kind of the same issue that happened with Kingpin during the 2003 Ben Affleck Daredevil film. However, at the time it was done for the sake of making the film kino, because all the Caucasian wrestlers they got couldn't act for shit, so they got a great actor with a matching physique for Kingpin, which MCD had to work a lot for to be accurate to comics, he even went as far as to say that he might decline playing Kingpin again unless weight-loss was factored in the story.

And guess what? He was the best, if not the only good part of that film. There's a reason no one ever uses this film as an example of the issues with black-washing, because this one of the rare good examples.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vg-w7_NR0V0https://youtube.com/watch?v=fprSLPOLMa0
He even reprised his role in the MTV Spider-Man series.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MW-w_u1HOOE
Also, he loved being Kingpin.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y4QkpfixFNs
However, that is not the case here with the MCU She-Hulk. They could've just done the Lou Ferrigno thing the classic Hulk show did & just deepfaked Maslany over it.

This is Kiki Vhyce with body paint:
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What's even worse is, the only one close to an actress who actually could've been great for this, is the one they cancelled last year. I'm not saying she would've been great, or that she's a good actress, but much better than what we got. Tatiana Maslany is both an uggo & a shit actress.
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Who did they cancel and why?
 
cactus said:
Disney acts like blue screen doesn't exist, unless Hollywood decided to just ditch it altogether.
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It less Disney and more Marvel. Not to say Disney themselves don't have issues with iffy CGI just not nearly to the scale of Marvel.

Lot of articles of late coming out from cgi artist which explain why Marvel movies look so shitty.

one of the better articles on it
gizmodo.com

Abuse of Visual Effects Artists Is Ruining the Movies

Visual effects studios are struggling to keep up with the demands that companies like Marvel place on their budget and their artists.
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“The worst was when Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame were coming out. They actually bumped up that release by a month but they hadn’t told us. I remember being on the floor with my team and one of my artists comes to me and says, ‘Hey, you see this?’ and he shows me the article saying Marvel bumped the release date up a month.”

Marvel failed to tell the VFX team working on the film that the release date had changed. David went to his supervisor, who also hadn’t heard anything about it. Marvel eventually got back to the studio and said that they had “forgotten” to tell them. “So we found out from a press release that we had one less month to work on all these shots.”
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“Even up until the last week or so they still weren’t sure what they wanted this gigantic set piece to look like. We were still doing concept art.” Hector said. Concept art is supposed to be the first thing you nail down before you start working on the pieces that will eventually be composited together to make up the shot. “And various parts of this sequence had already gone through the entire pipeline. You’ve got lighting renders, effects simulations, matte paintings, and animation.” All of this, ready to go, and Marvel still hasn’t approved concept art.
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Very little is shot practically, and even the stuff that is practical goes through touch-ups. “When you get a plate of just someone’s face against a poorly lit screen, there’s really nothing you can do to make it look realistic,” explains H. A plate is the untouched frame, exactly what was captured on camera, mocap suit and all.
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Sometimes changes will occur even up to the final days before the movie is set to be released. Conrad recalls that when “the first Doctor Strange movie came out, it didn’t actually have final VFX on it. They were still working on it after the movie had come out in the UK.”
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The lack of direction is the biggest, most consistent pressure point for many of these artists. Sam recalls a logo on a suit that he had to redo “almost every week.” Conrad recalls working on a shot for Marvel where they didn’t know what they wanted, so they asked the studio to make two versions. “And then we found out which version they picked when we saw the movie.”

Hector has seen massive sequences scrapped within a week of delivering shots that took two or three weeks to build out. “The entire vision will change completely,” he said. “And I get that. You want your directors to have control of the final product. But from the artists standpoint, you need a direction to go in. And Marvel has this very harsh way of communicating with the vendors where they’re very cynical and very, very rude. As if you should be lucky to be receiving constant revisions and notes from them.”
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Sam described an incident where an actor was filmed in a practical suit and the studio decided it was the wrong suit. “And you have to replace their entire body and just leave their head in every shot.”
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The erratic direction of Marvel movies leads to erratic results. That’s why you see incredibly sharp and realistic VFX work in one scene, and then two minutes later, the VFX work looks choppy and rushed. Because in a lot of cases, it is.
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Product Placement said:
It less Disney and more Marvel. Not to say Disney themselves don't have issues with iffy CGI just not nearly to the scale of Marvel.

Lot of articles of late coming out from cgi artist which explain why Marvel movies look so shitty.

one of the better articles on it
gizmodo.com

Abuse of Visual Effects Artists Is Ruining the Movies

Visual effects studios are struggling to keep up with the demands that companies like Marvel place on their budget and their artists.
gizmodo.com gizmodo.com

some highlights
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I know about that already. But I've never seen a BTS shot of a Marvel film using blue screen and painting the actress green would have been faster and cheaper (and she would have looked like herself, She-Hulk looks nothing like her and I don't know if it's supposed to be like that or the 3D modeler messed up). Speaking of, Gamora is also green and I've never heard of these issues with James Gunn, which just shows me that the She-Hulk crew are either inexperienced or stupid/incompetent (the later obviously applies to the writers, that's for sure).
 
cactus said:
I know about that already. But I've never seen a BTS shot of a Marvel film using blue screen and painting the actress green would have been faster and cheaper (and she would have looked like herself, She-Hulk looks nothing like her and I don't know if it's supposed to be like that or the 3D modeler messed up). Speaking of, Gamora is also green and I've never heard of these issues with James Gunn, which just shows me that the She-Hulk crew are either inexperienced or stupid/incompetent (the later obviously applies to the writers, that's for sure).
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...I never even considered Gamora until now. That's the practical nature taken care of, but who could be charismatic AND built like a brick shithouse? Can't think of many actresses that fit both criteria.
 
cactus said:
I know about that already. But I've never seen a BTS shot of a Marvel film using blue screen and painting the actress green would have been faster and cheaper (and she would have looked like herself, She-Hulk looks nothing like her and I don't know if it's supposed to be like that or the 3D modeler messed up). Speaking of, Gamora is also green and I've never heard of these issues with James Gunn, which just shows me that the She-Hulk crew are either inexperienced or stupid/incompetent (the later obviously applies to the writers, that's for sure).
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Marvel just doesn't plan shit out and want to be able to change things as they feel like it. What you are asking for taking planning and more time in preproduction two thing Marvel will never let happen. You would think painting her would be faster, but in terms of shooting it wouldn't, it would just make post production faster which is something Marvel already doesn't care about.

I personality think making She-hulk CGI makes sense as she is meant keep a similar personality between transformations, so having the same actress do both makes sense and there is also a physical change which couldn't be done with the same actor without CGI outside maybe a muscle suit I guess. However on a TV budget and TV length with Marvel production practices it was just asking for trouble to even make this a show. Mean the Hulk himself really doesn't look much better than She-hulk in terms of cgi in this show.
 
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